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Net Neutrality and INDIANS

March 1, 2009

What is net neutrality?

Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be in control of what content they view and what applications they use on the Internet.
The Internet has operated according to this neutrality principle since its earliest days. Indeed, it is this neutrality that has allowed many companies, including Google, to launch, grow, and innovate. Fundamentally, net neutrality is about equal access to the Internet.
In our view, the broadband carriers should not be permitted to use their market power to discriminate against competing applications or content. Just as telephone companies are not permitted to tell consumers who they can call or what they can say, broadband carriers should not be allowed to use their market power to control activity online.
Net Neutrality Google

The issue of net neutrality has become a burning issue in the USA.View the two videos embedded below to understand the concept more clearly.

USA has a full fledged all out debate going on ,on this topic of net neutrality(as you have seen in the videos )
There are campaigns in the USA like SAVE THE INTERNET.COM
Even in a country like USA where the number of net users exceeds far that of India,many US citizens are still not aware of this issue.

Are you wondering as to how this issue is important to India?

It is important.

Airtel has done something very sly right under our nose.THIS IS AIRTEL’s FAIR USAGE POLICY.


If you think you are not an Airtel user and hence this doesnt concern you,fear not my friend,other ISP providers will follow suit if we let Airtel get away with this.

The following article quoted in its entirety from the link given right below.
Petition against Airtel Fair Usage Policy
Ah, Witness the Death of Net Neutrality…

”I know most if not all of the people would probably choose the infamous fatalistic Indian approach of the “Chalta Hai” attitude. Preemptively assuming it doesn’t concern them. “Who cares? This would only affect people who are downloading pirated movies, music and software. It won’t affect me.” They couldn’t be more wrong, Read on.

Airtel is going the US Comcast way, capping download, limiting speeds, channeling bandwidth.

Most of the people I know pride themselves on being far better than Americans ,at least where Civil/Political scene is concerned, all based on this ad hominem preconceived underlying notion. How would this be any different if we let this policy blindly pass?

Some might even consider this a “geek” issue, which its not.

Remember the blanket blog ban a while back ordered by the technologically illiterate government babus to block certain blogs not in favour of their taste, the ISPs slavishly & promptly swung into action blocking entire blog sites to please their masters.

Honestly I don’t give a rat’s ass about bloggers & blogging, having the personal opinion, “Never have so few got to say so less about so much to so many”, but being a staunch supporter of freedom of speech I vehemently opposed it. Although there was present a conflict between freedom of speech & sensibilities of the masses, as there always be, it has to be carefully navigated through.

The policy sets a dangerous precedent to the imminent death of Net Neutrality

It’d take me forever to cover all the aspects of this issue, however In this day & age Net Neutrality is as big if not bigger an issue than Democracy & Freedom of Speech.

The policy is inherently fundamentally flawed. Net Neutrality is even a major political issue in the nations where broadband has a higher penetration.

“Allowing broadband carriers to control what people see and do online would fundamentally undermine the principles that have made the Internet such a success…A number of justifications have been created to support carrier control over consumer choices online; none stand up to scrutiny.”
Vint Cerf [PDF]
Google Chief Internet Evangelist and Co-Developer of the Internet Protocol

“The neutral communications medium is essential to our society. It is the basis of a fair competitive market economy. It is the basis of democracy, by which a community should decide what to do. It is the basis of science, by which humankind should decide what is true. Let us protect the neutrality of the net.” Tim Berners-LeeInventor of the World Wide Web

If all this seems harmless enough & you think we’re superior & above the other places where such things are happening, think again, Even a cursory glance at world events would tell any informed person otherwise.

You think Korea & China were blanketed overnight?? One day the entire private & state machinery suddenly decided to censor everything? It was a gradual process. Suppression/suspension of freedom of speech in any form, medium or factor is but a step leading to the dreaded pit of censorship & autocracy.

Airtel “Fair Usage” Policy… Fair for whom? another Ramalinga Raju? I don’t see it as fair, Its draconian at best.. & thats a conservative view of it.

Hmmm….. we can’t cope up with the record number of subscribers signing up for our company plans having been tricked into our (apparently) false goodwill generation, Lets DOWNGRADE customer service instead of UPGRADING our infrastructure, so we don’t have to delve into the insane record profits Bharti has been registering over the years, & lets name it “Fair Usage Policy” to shroud & conceal the real greedy corporate grubbiness behind it.

For my part I’m an extremely heavy user of my broadband connection (& that is to say the least) however I am paying for an unlimited plan & I expect full service. The end-user has complete right to use his service as he sees fit. If Airtel can’t handle it, then they shouldn’t have declared their broadband plans with all the cry & hoopla.

And an arbit legal loophole I’d presume Airtel would have to face is, Broadband in India as defined by TRAI is 256kbps, if Airtel does not provide “broadband” quality service (as signed in the customer-corporate contract) deliberately & with full awareness, as opposed to negligence, I’d say it’d be open to a host of law suits.

Airtel has not given any prior intimation or notice, distributed any flyers (unlike the stupid flyers you keep receiving with every bill & every other SMS), pamphlets, notices of any sort, but clandestinely updated its website & Airtel service centers with the Fair Usage policy, hoping to quietly get away with it, But they vastly under-estimate the power of the Net & forget that it hasn’t been censored………..yet.

An apt article to demonstrate it would be this one,
‘ Why We Need to Swarm: Social activism and defending Internet Freedoms

Hopefully Indians will think & be independent enough to be devoid of other influences & oppose the policy.

Corporatism & Pure capitalism has come knocking on India’s doors.

Where are you?

Please sign the petition at

& forward to as many people as you can
(irrespective of your ISP/usage of the net)

The Fair Usage policy has not yet been implemented in Delhi but it is in the process of being implemented.


Disclaimer:-All the information given in this post that pertains to Airtel is courtesy this link.

On a different note,please excuse me for a day,I am so missing all your blogs and barely have been able to go through all your posts….and havent had time to comment at leisure.:(

Another 24 hours and I should be back:)

50 Comments leave one →
  1. Sagarone permalink
    March 1, 2009 10:03 am

    Well, at least you have the power to fight back. The country I live in has become a nanny state. It looks over your shoulder how you use the internet, which is heavily censored here, and I am not talking about porn. I can not even access from here.

  2. Pangala Nagendra Rao permalink
    March 1, 2009 10:09 am

    Petition Signed. Thanks for the post!!
    Since the internet connection, broad band etc are too complicated to common man many do not care about such hidden things. Good thing there are some people doing to prevent it!!

  3. Ordinary Guy permalink
    March 1, 2009 11:25 am

    thanks for letting us know….:)
    will sign the petition…

  4. unpretentious_diva permalink
    March 1, 2009 1:44 pm

    I discussed Net neutrality last year.

    First of all i should clarify your doubts (or the misconceptions about net neutrality).

    Net neutrality is not at all about what you see or do on net.

    net neutrality is making net cheaper for you and for million poor of India or USA or Canada or any other nation.

    In Net neutrality debate, your friend is NOT GOOGLE, your friend is Airtel or Virgin or Comcast.


    Actually the issue is, you use net for writing a blog, or orkutting or chatting at yahoo or reading some other blogs or sometimes daily webcam chats or reading news online at most you can use it for online shopping or games, etc.

    Google uses it for much more.

    You earn nothing from net, Google earns billions a month.

    So why should you pay the same for net that google pays?

    The issue is, if you pay say Rs20 a day for your net usage, even google pays only Rs20 for net usage.

    Yet you use minimal net space, google uses MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH huge space in a single day than what you will be able to use in whole life.

    if airtel or virgin or other ISP providers are allowed to charge google more than what they charge from you, you will be benefited as than you will have to pay only Rs2 for your net instead of Rs20.

    Also it will help poor who cannot pay Rs20 but can surely pay Rs2.

    Google lies about net neutrality.

    ZTruth is there should not be any NET NEUTRALITY.

    Google uses net for different purpose than what you use net for, hence google should pay different than what you pay for.,

    my article is Net Neutrality:Is net Free?
    if you read it, you will find that i committed the same mistake as you did, but in the consequential debate in comments, I realized what actually is net neutrality and how wrong i was. Although i did not conceded my wrong there because of my silly girlish ego, but the fact is, I or no other rational person can support net neutrality
    lets say there is water-serving station on a road through a desert.
    You go on it on your bike with your son, and buy some water for yourself and your son to drink.

    The water seller says you can use and drink as much water as you can for Rs20. You will be happy.
    At the same time , another person comes on an elephant and demand water for him and his elephant, will the water seller give him as much water as he demand for Rs20?
    Can there be neutrality in water sellers eyes for you and that elephant owner?

    Obviously thr water seller will charge more for elephant water usage. because elephant alone will drink up that much water which 200 people can use.

    In case of net neutrality, you or we are the common net users, and google yahoo or other services are Elphant owners, ISP providers are water servers.

    ISP providers want to charge google/yahoo and many other business engines to pay them more than what we common user pays.

  5. Piper .. permalink
    March 1, 2009 3:14 pm

    Well, I really had no clue what you`re talking about. Thanks a lot for the info. Shall go, read up some more before I sign the petition!

  6. Vinod_Sharma permalink
    March 1, 2009 4:08 pm

    Thank you for the illuminating post. I had no idea Airtel was going to do this. I too have Airtel broadband. Unlimited. Unlimited means just that. If they want to target heavy users are they also going to ‘reward’ the many light users? This is blatantly unfair, unethical, even immoral. I am going over to sign the petition.

  7. Pixie permalink
    March 1, 2009 4:31 pm

    Well… this is some news! I didn’t know such a thing existed till I read about it here and went thru all the links!

    I hope the petition we are signing will help in some way…

  8. aneesha permalink
    March 1, 2009 4:34 pm

    hey!!! your blog came up on a google news search!!!!
    on a more sober note.. good job writing.. this net connectivity issue really is serious..

  9. kanagu permalink
    March 1, 2009 5:06 pm

    Thanks Indyeah for this valuable info. I am just about to give the Airtel connection. Now I will check all the policies before giving it.. Not able to read the content in the link and the video thru my mobile.. I will sign the petition once I get back to my PC 🙂

  10. Bones permalink
    March 1, 2009 5:14 pm

    Sagarone, are you in Singapore by any chance? The govt. there doesn’t like civil liberties…

  11. Indian Home Maker permalink
    March 1, 2009 5:37 pm

    Going out to buy new batteries for my laptop … will come back and finish reading this one…
    I would like to read this peacefully.

    🙂 Thanks for bringing this up …

  12. Poonam permalink
    March 1, 2009 5:51 pm

    Signed the petition!

    After using painfully slow wireless connection, I switched to Airtel boradband but it too happens to be painfully slow at time. Now I know, its time to hit the customer care with vengenance.

  13. Chirag permalink
    March 1, 2009 6:12 pm

    Dude, I have signed it, there was a group of IIT’s writing the draft of Net Neutrality India. It was open and people could comment on the document. yes, net neutrality is really important, for survival. China is the biggest rival to the idea. Best source for the Information on NN

    Off topic: Are you on Twitter?

  14. Sagarone permalink
    March 1, 2009 6:15 pm

    @Bones, I am in Bahrain.

  15. manju permalink
    March 1, 2009 6:28 pm

    I will have to read this post once again before I understand it.:)

    Will sign petition.

  16. oorjas permalink
    March 1, 2009 8:06 pm

    i also read an article in the morning that Facebook has revised its terms. they had put this on –
    “an irrevocable perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable,fully paidd, worldwide lisence to use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicaly perform or display, transmit, scan, reform, modify,edit, frame, translate,excerpt,adapt,create,derivative works and distribute” things you post on Facebook.

    they have no right to do this. what we post is our own property.

    how we use the net we pay for is only our business.

    no company has the right to meddle in that.

  17. Chirag permalink
    March 1, 2009 9:46 pm

    Just to simply put NN A neutral broadband network is one that is free of restrictions on content, sites, or platforms, on the kinds of equipment that may be attached, and on the modes of communication allowed, as well as one where communication is not unreasonably degraded by other communication streams.

    This has nothing to do with corporate wars Google/Virgin etc are just there to make money. Google still puts a strong foot when it come to rights. With an exception of China.

  18. hitch writer permalink
    March 1, 2009 11:13 pm

    all this is a lil too much for me to handle or understand… however since it came from you, i signed the petition !!

  19. Indyeah permalink
    March 1, 2009 11:17 pm

    That country has a pretty dismal trackrecord when it comes to freedom of any kind.
    Forget freedom,even basic human rights are compromised on and I have no idea how any govt(if it can really be called that)or rather should I say a ruler, a one man ‘govt’ decides whats to be banned. A one man govt .It figures.

    And what is the trouble with accessing translate it that you will be able to understand all that you shouldn’t?

    I remember distinctly the protests against censorship of a a certain blog and a ban on the net websites….

    Pangala Nagendra Rao:-You are welcome
    Yes even I am pretty much technologically challenged.My tech jargon is pretty darn limited.I had to sit and watch 5 videos and browse through sites and documents and the listen to my bro and only then have I been able to get the NN concept clearly.

    The Airtel issue is fairly simple however.It violates the basic agreement and backtracks on the promises given in writing to its customers.This is an out and out fraud.The NN example was given to illustrate the point on airtel.

  20. Indyeah permalink
    March 1, 2009 11:18 pm

    OG:-You are welcome Ajit:)and thanks:)its a pretty imporatnat issue as I am sure you know.:)

  21. How do we know permalink
    March 1, 2009 11:42 pm

    oh, thanks for bringing it to our attention. This is unfair and not acceptable.

  22. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:26 am

    Unpretentious Diva:-Whoa!! Gargi! :))
    loads of assumptions there!

    You asked some questions,answered them on your own,and placed me in the same boat too!:)

    I stand by what I have written here.Yes,I have read your post and I disagree at the end (where you agree with renegade)because the issue is not simply about pricing.

    First of all,let me make it clear that I don’t care right now as to what is going on in the US on the net neutrality debate..
    I care about what is going on in India.

    I gave the Net Neutrality definition as an example to illustrate my point on Airtel and its tactics in India.

    That said,let me first say that there are a lot and I mean a lot of grey areas in this whole issue of NN.

    However,reducing it to a simple issue of money is taking away a lot from the issue.

    Please see this discussion on NN.It is an eye opening one.

    While Vint is the vice president of Google and the other is from EFF(Electronic Frontier Foundation) yet both do agree on the issue of NN.Where they differ is on the issue of govt regulating the net(which is the most imp issue)

    Net neutrality is not about making the net cheaper.It is about not allowing certain parties to act as gatekeepers and deciding as to what should or shouldn’t pass through the gates.

    Please see the link Chirag has given here.
    and see what Warner is already upto.

    You say,
    ‘’Actually the issue is, you use net for writing a blog, or orkutting or chatting at yahoo or reading some other blogs or sometimes daily webcam chats or reading news online at most you can use it for online shopping or games, etc.
    Google uses it for much more.
    You earn nothing from net, Google earns billions a month.’’

    Am I supposed to grudge Google the billions it earns because of the SERVICES it provides?

    No Gargi, the issue is that Google once upon a time was a start up company like any other.And the reason it attained such a huge success and was able to start infact was because of the free net.

    No,I do not agree that I or others only use the net to blog or for facebook or for orkut or such other trivial things that you have mentioned.

    My god!That’s some generalisation.And for a moment suppose we all do use it for these purposes does that make us lesser in the eyes of the service provider?Will we be given a lower priority?

    Coming to that who really decides what is lower or higher priority???

    The issue is not as simple as you have put it here
    ‘’The issue is, if you pay say Rs20 a day for your net usage, even google pays only Rs20 for net usage.
    Yet you use minimal net space, google uses MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH huge space in a single day than what you will be able to use in whole life.’’

    I am sorry but Google does not pay as much as I do.It pays much,much more.
    So to say that Google pays the same as I do is a false claim.

    You have given an example that is absurd.This is not the all.
    ‘’lets say there is water-serving station on a road through a desert.
    You go on it on your bike with your son, and buy some water for yourself and your son to drink.

    The water seller says you can use and drink as much water as you can for Rs20. You will be happy.
    At the same time , another person comes on an elephant and demand water for him and his elephant, will the water seller give him as much water as he demand for Rs20?
    Can there be neutrality in water sellers eyes for you and that elephant owner?

    Obviously the water seller will charge more for elephant water usage. because elephant alone will drink up that much water which 200 people can use.
    ISP providers want to charge google/yahoo and many other business engines to pay them more than what we common user pays.''

    NO I will say once again and let me quote here the inventor of the web,
    ''Net neutrality is this:

    If I pay to connect to the Net with a certain quality of service, and you pay to connect with that or greater quality of service, then we can communicate at that level.
    That's all. Its up to the ISPs to make sure they interoperate so that that happens.

    Net Neutrality is NOT asking for the internet for free.

    Net Neutrality is NOT saying that one shouldn't pay more money for high quality of service. We always have, and we always will. ''

    BTW, do you know who is the financier of the ANTI NET NEUTRALITY CAMPAIGN?

    The same AT&T whose CEO said,

    Question asked to AT&T CEO
    How concerned are you about Internet upstarts like Google (GOOG ), MSN, Vonage, and others?

    Answer by Whiteacre:-How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use MY pipes?’’

    Whiteacre's sleight of hand is cute—almost endearing. He tries so hard to make this about cost and competition, but he leaves out the most important part: their customers. It's SBC's DSL customers who are paying to "use these pipes," and the idea that certain kinds of usage are categorically different than others has a fair share of problems. On the technical level, IP traffic is IP traffic. The customer downloading scores of images from NASA isn't really different from someone making a call on VoIP. If, like SBC, you sell your DSL at speed-based packages, then aside from limitations you have spelled out in your Terms of Service, that traffic is the customers' to use. Furthermore, where do you draw the line? SBC wants to charge you for VoIP, but why not charge you for your access to the Wall Street Journal, or your iTunes Video downloads, or your pr0n site subscriptions? Forget that, why not charge website owners when your users visit their pages?

    And prompted this headline here, ‘’Net neutrality advocates thank AT&T CEO for shooting off his mouth’’

    In 2006, the Electronic Frontier Foundation lodged a class action lawsuit, Hepting v. AT&T, which alleged that AT&T had allowed agents of the National Security Agency (NSA) to monitor phone and Internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants. If true, this would violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and the First and Fourth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution
    On June 21, 2006, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that AT&T had rewritten rules on their privacy policy. The policy, which took effect June 23, 2006, says that "AT&T — not customers — owns customers' confidential info and can use it 'to protect its legitimate business interests, safeguard others, or respond to legal process.' "[
    On August 22, 2007, National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell confirmed that AT&T was one of the telecommunications companies that assisted with the government's warrantless wire-tapping program on calls between foreign and domestic sources.

    Renegade Division (on your post)had only one point right.And that is that the govt should not step in as a regulatory authority at all.

    Gargi please keep in mind that the financier of the ANTI NET NEUTRALITY CAMPAIGN IS AT&T.The one that you read about above.That in itself should lead to some infact a lot of suspicions.

    Infact,Opponents of net neutrality include large hardware companies and members of the cable and telecommunications industries.

    Critics of the NET NEUTRALITY CAMPAIGN characterised net neutrality regulation as "a solution in search of a problem", arguing that broadband service providers have no plans to block content or degrade network performance. Critics also argue that data discrimination of some kinds, particularly to guarantee quality of service, is not problematic, but highly desirable.

    really ???desirable how???

    This is what google says on the issue.

    ''Google believes that consumer should be able to use the Internet connections that they pay for the
    way that they want. This principle – that users pick winners and losers in the Internet marketplace, not
    carriers – is an architectural and policy choice critical to innovation online. Google itself is a productof the Internet.''

    Here is what Obama says about the issue.

    And here's a Libertarian take on the issue if you are interested,

    Net neutrality policies could only be implemented through detailed price regulation.BUT NET NEUTRALITY IS IMPORTANT.

    At the end of this reply which ahs become a mini post let me remind everyone that the issue at hand is about India and Airtel right now.So please sign the petition and dicuss this,blog about this.Think of more steps.

    Gargi do not let stupid arguments like the ones from Renegade sway you.You were right .Stick to it.Do not let Renegade and others make this about price wars,poor and rich and what not

  23. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:30 am

    and no its not about ego girlish boyish or tomboyish or otherwise..:)this is just about NET neUTRALITY and how if Airtel is not checked right now ,others could follow suit in India.

    Net Neutrality is damn important in India too.This is how it starts,precisely in the sneaky manner that Airtel has done it in.

  24. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:34 am

    Piper:_I had no idea too so rerad and watched a lot of videos,facts figures etc..take your time:)

    Vinod Sir:-Thank you:)
    Yes I have the same plan after I shifted from an earlier one ,believing Airtel’s promise of ‘unlimited.’They are acting in a really sneaky manner.We all need to speak up.And thats why awareness is the most important.

  25. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:37 am

    Pixie:-me too I was equally clueless.take your time,arm yourself with all the facts and then sign the petition.This is important and I hope it will make a difference.

    Aneesha:-:D really?What news were you searching for?:)seriously would love to know:)

    And yeah this is damn important..

  26. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:40 am

    Kanagu:-:)You are welcome:)take your time…go through all the links and only then sign the petition:)

    IHM:_take your time:)

  27. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:43 am

    Poonam:-yeah same case here and with a lot of friends infact.
    You are bang on.Hit customer care.thats the mantra!We all should blog about it and discuss it.

    Chirag:-:)Knew you would know already:)yeah heard about the IIT one and then decided to see what the issue was all about..
    logged in to twitter after ages:)

  28. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:48 am

    Manju:-Take your time:)I had a lot of trouble at first too:)

    do go through all the links:)

    Oorja:-yes,the facebook controversy has barely died down and this strats…Public pressure could work…I really hope so..yes no company can meddle in are right .

    Chirag:-thanks dude!:)lemme repeat:)
    ”Just to simply put NN A neutral broadband network is one that is free of restrictions on content, sites, or platforms, on the kinds of equipment that may be attached, and on the modes of communication allowed, as well as one where communication is not unreasonably degraded by other communication streams.”
    bang on as always Chirag!:)techno stuff is best explained by you:)

    Dhiren:-Thanks:))I had trouble too)))thanks for the trust:)but would still request you to go through the links and arm yourself with the required knowledge:))

  29. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:49 am

    How do you know:-You are most welcome:)yes,this is damn imporatnat and as you say unfair and not acceptable

  30. mandira permalink
    March 2, 2009 3:53 am

    interesting post. im generally as net/IT unsavvy as they come. dint have a clue. dint even know the term net neutrality existed. so thanks for writing this post. will check out the petition too.

  31. Unpretentious Diva permalink
    March 2, 2009 4:19 am

    It is not about Renegade_division, it is about Gargi.

    It is not about US or India, it is about whole world.

    You are suffering from the same wrong conception.

    Since you have introduced cable networks, let me explain that too.

    There are various citi-cable networks in almost every major city of India on which the local people can propagate their advertises.

    Now if the cable network owner says that if a millionaire of that city owning some bigshoppers or McDonald’s restaurant want to advertise about his mall/shop/restaurant, then he will have to a certain amount (let’s say RsX), yet if some common man have to inform about some Obituary or death, or some missing information about child, then the owner of the cable channel is free even to let the advertiser use the facility for FREE. or at minimal charges.
    On the other hand, if a NGO or a health care organization want to advertize about AIDS or Polio drops or TB Dots etc, than the cable owner may charge them further less.

    Now this is for good and this is right.

    By charging more to those who are for only commercial purpose and benefits, the cable channel owner let the other common men who in some specific cases want to advertize for some simple cause (or some NGO or even governmental organization) want to advertize for some publc friendly cause, let the facility at much cheaper costs.

    Now cable owner is investing to provide service and he has to gain profits too. It is his right to decide what price he take from his different consumers.

    Google and you both are consumers of ISP’s, if ISP demand more price from google, and lesser price from you, it has a reason, you make not even a penny from net, google make billions of dollar within a month.

    Lets say you own a building which have many flats which you let others to use on rent.

    Now it is your right to decide what rent you will take from different people you will let the flats to use.

    let’s say some of your relative comes to your city and demand your help, you may let them live in one of your flats for free too.

    If some poor couple come to you and demand your help, you are free to let them live in your flat at much cheaper rent that you take from some other rich couple.

    if the rich couple says that their should be rent neutrality and if they are paying Rs10,000 for a flat per month than the poor couple should also pay the same, then it is ridiculous.

    About difference between US and India or UK or Germany, I am checking on the matter since 1 year now.\
    Issue is same everywhere.

    And by the way the point you want to oppose on the name of net neutrality, is not raised by airtel but by Supreme court.

    Supreme court last month on 26th februry announced that a blogger is not free to epress his opinions.\
    Supreme court punished a blogger because he was epressing the idea that MNS and shivsena are wrong and doing harm to india.

    he is facing a criminal case in Maharastra high court now.

    The net neutrality issue which airtel is raising is not about content, it is about price.

    It is nice to see that you are suffering from same misconceptions and false ego which i was suffering when I was not aware of the reality behind net neutrality.

    There can not be net neutrality. There cannot be wheat neutrality too.

    A farmer growing wheat should be free to sell the wheat he produced at cheaper costs to his relatives, he may give it free to them too, while he is free to demand higher price from the rich sector. Obviously he is not forcing anything on anybody.

    Same is with water. there cannot be something like water neutrality.

    if there is a tube well on your farm land, you are free to let the poor farmers use the water freee or at minimal costs, while the same water you can sell to some rich person with a big farmhouse at higher rates.

    No petition will work against the reasonable freedom of the producer, owner and provider.

    Although you, me and all of us should OPPOSE Indian laws and supreme court which punished a blogger and maintained that if a blogger writes something and someone comments on his blog than the blogger is responsible for the comment and the article, if the article or comment hurts public sentiment than the blogger will be punished.

    Do you know what it means?
    if you say anything against MNS or Shivsena or BJP or Congress or Bajrang Dal (as many including you and IMH etc) keep doing, than MNS Shivsena Bajrang Dal or congress can complaint against you saying it hurts their feelings and public sentiments and the blogger can be jailed, fined monetarily and too much.

    Try to get the grip, no one is free to express anything, if they do it will hurt the sentiment of some or other sect of public, and that means the blogger, writer orkut user can be punished for that, punished for expressing his opinions.

    Don’t take it personal tussle with gargi.

    I know Noone likes gargi she is mad fool and idiot, she should be criticized and hated and all.
    yet when she says something, she says that on the base of provable reason explainable reality and understandable truth.

    There is no difference between Airtel cause and AT&T cause or even your city cable channel owners cause.

  32. Winnie the poohi permalink
    March 2, 2009 4:20 am

    Ah a totally new thing I learned today.. will research on it and get back to you!

    Though you have written a well researched article.. And you are right!

    Net neutrality is essential part of "WWW"

    These phone companies like AT&T provided the infrastructure yes.. since it was already there. However internet can have independent structure.. with wireless carriers we dont really need phone lines and can reach wider mass..

    The point Gargi raised about making internet cheaper.. Well if we had totally wireless internet it would can virtually become free..

    I guess thats one reason why these phone companies oppose net neutrality. Coz with internet so scalable phone lines have become virtually redundant!

    Umm get back to you.. or may be with a post myself 🙂

  33. Unpretentious Diva permalink
    March 2, 2009 4:36 am

    One more issue you raised, that why only big cable companies and telephone service providers are opposing net neutrality.

    let me ask you a question, who provide you net services?

    Who provide google or yahoo the net services? Who owns the net space which we all bloggers, orkut users, yahoo, gtalk, MSN chat users alongwith the big search engines like yahoo, google, AOL, netizens, etc uses?

    The ISP providers give us the opportunity to use net space, they create the net space we use everyday. We use it just like google or yahoo or other big search engines uses it.

    We do not make a penny of our blogs, google yahoo MSN etc makes billions from their sites, their google blogs, yahoo 360 blogs, MSN blogs, NDTV blogs and online news makes billions, Rediff news makes billions, Hindu online, TimesofIndia online makes billions.

    ISP providers just want the commercial users pay them more, and we non-commercial users pay lesser and lesser.

    The reality is, if net neutrality issue is removed, net will be available for minimum charges for the most poor person of India too. When something will be available, the person will learn to use it too.

    The big companies opposes net neutrality because it hurts their profits. The search engines and big site owners like Google, MSN, Yahoo etc loots the ISP’s.

    Consider this, you let a person live in your house as a paying guest.
    You let him to live alone, what if he decides to open a dance bar in your house?

    Will you allow him?

    You may, you surely can allow him, but will you demand same rent from him which you take from a couple using your other flat just for living?

    No you will say that since the person who is using your flat or land or shop for commercial purpose (beer bar, or dance pub, or mall or open theatre or anything commercial) he should pay you more.

    This is the real issue of net neutrality, nothing else.

    About freedom to epress, even Supreme court does not think that a blogger is free to epress his opinion and if anybody complains against the blogger that his article hurts public sentiments, the blogger can be nailed. Airtel has nothing to do with it.

  34. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 5:00 am

    Mandira:-You are most welcome:)even I didnt know such a word existed..:)be sure to go through all the links and find out about all the points before you sign…:)

    Winnie:-Nah!not my research:)just a petition I recieved so presented it here with a few links:) be sure to understand all the jargon and only then sign:))

  35. Indyeah permalink
    March 2, 2009 5:15 am

    Unpretentious Diva:-No Gargi it is not about you personally at all:)let me make that very clear..My fault if that was not conveyed properly…:)

    I was not comfortable with the fact that you had one stand,changed it after a debate on youur blog…coz thats fine…but then you said that I ,Indyeah was making that same mistake and I too should accept my mistakes like you did…
    see?Do you see how this might cause a misunderstanding?:)You almost made a decision for me..:)and that was not okay..

    Ofcourse you can have your own opinion and I can have mine..

    you might choose to not sign the petition as might some others while I and some others may sign the petition..

    Does doing one thing make either of us wrong or right?

    NO..we all make a decision based on the knowledge available to us and the conclusion that we reach based on that knowledge and what our brain/mind says to us ..

    So we can be at opposite ends of the spectrum and still be friends right?:)

    and regarding the discussion I am sure it will benefit all those who come here..and read it..then they can research on their own and make up their minds..:)

    We both provided them some fod for thought na?:)
    As Rakesh ,a fellow blogger and a friend said a few days back..”life is not a debate” and that has stayed with me..:)

    You can try to convince me with arguments and I can try to do the same..and maybe one of us might change our stand maybe we wont,but just a discussion can give so much doesnt it?:)

    Let it rest for now…:)

    and who says you are crazy?or mad?fool or idiot?
    No one hates you sweetheart:)trust me,we value your opinions the same as everyone else’s:))

    keep coming up with your own viewpoints..its always a pleasure to share and think:)isnt it?:)

    and dont ever think that people hate you..k?:)they dont..
    hate’s a strong word..

    a friend ,Anrosh says ”happy people attract happy people” and she is right..:)

    Thats how I know your name coz I keep visiting your blog:))I like some thoughts of yours a lot and the way you fight for what you believe in:)

    ((hugs))and much love Gargi:)
    keep dropping in…we will argue and think and shout..but rest assured no one will hate anyone..:)its a free world:)we will keep thinking together k?:)

  36. Biju Mathews permalink
    March 2, 2009 10:58 am

    Another of those really researched posts! Amazing is the way you write for the grist in the mill!!

    The issues of net neutrality has been off and on for sometime now. Google is of course the biggest loser. But Indyeah, there are web sites that need to be banned and controlled. Banned porn sites especially featuring children, terrorist hosted web sites etc all need to be held off. I agree that there will be misuse of this power of controlling the net but the media is also responsible for a lot of issues facing our society like radical thinking etc. There are also web sites which show how to make a nuclear bomb!! The depth of the issue started when the FBI started monitoring IP addresses frequenting radical websites and took some action.

    Unfortunately, unlimited bandwidth and pricing factor come under the same laws and we are all in the middle of a debate.

    I’ve signed the petition. Let’s hope for the best!

    Keep Blogging!!

  37. Solilo permalink
    March 2, 2009 11:09 am

    Okay signed the petition. Aur kya hukum hai aaka?

  38. vimmuuu permalink
    March 2, 2009 12:17 pm

    Petition signed ! I clicked on the confirmation link that reached my email, yet to check if my sign is actually there !

    Well researched and excellently written. and I actually did read the whole post in one go 😀

    Glad that you came with such an unusual topic. Never took all these issues seriously. Its at these times that I feel proud to be a part of the blogosphere. You guys do make a difference !

  39. rauf permalink
    March 2, 2009 1:41 pm

    oh you have internet ?
    amazing ! lot of improvement here, does it come from telephone ?
    we have wireless over there, i can send an email sitting in the toilet

    every chai and barber shop has wiFi here i tell her. but i don’t like to send the toilet stink by email to my friends.

  40. Chirag permalink
    March 2, 2009 7:22 pm

    Another print out just for fun 🙂

  41. Rakesh permalink
    March 2, 2009 10:11 pm

    Yup Indy, Just like Sagarone, I’m from the Middle East and here the service provider decides what is in accordance with the cultural, moral and religious values of the UAE. Accordingly a lot of sites are banned including Orkut, flickster and the like social networking sites.

    This is like parents putting a lock on their TV at home, telling them what channels they can watch.

  42. Indyeah permalink
    March 3, 2009 1:21 am

    Biju:-:)thanks a lot:)yeah it s a damn complcated issue and there will always be a debate on it..
    though one can never be too sure which side to stnad each his/her own..:)
    glad to know you did sign it:)

    that was so cute…:D

    Vimmuu:-you did???*shakes her head in wonder* really??

    Are you playing around with my emotions?sign kar diya na?:D

    we all do make a difference..Iam glad to know you and all the others too:)

    I also got to know of this suject just a few days back..:)

  43. Indyeah permalink
    March 3, 2009 1:26 am

    Rauf:-aww..that was darn cute..:)you can laugh and make others laugh too:))

    glad to see you here Rauf:)
    will get to the India post too to see what you have shared:))

    ek din mein saare prinouts dekhungi:D
    what will you do with so many?:))

    Rakesh:-thats sad to hear and yet the truth coz you guys are experiencing it…how insane is this?nanny state as sagarone says…its absurd!

    I am not even able to imagine it..

  44. Monika permalink
    March 5, 2009 7:13 am

    oh this is news… let me absorb it and understand

    will sign the petition too

  45. Indyeah permalink
    March 5, 2009 7:20 am

    Monika:-take your time:)
    the net neutrality is given as an example …the airtel issue is pretty clear..they and Tat indicom too have done this fair usage policy thing and backtracked on promises..and without informing the customers…

  46. Renegade Division permalink
    March 5, 2009 11:03 am

    Net Neutrality is a clever name for a call to a nanny state.

    Here is my article on that issue.(yeah I am Renegade, Indyeah is talking about)
    Say No to Net Neutrality

    Lemme ask you this, have you heard of Fairness Doctrine in America? It was a radio policy under which all the radio stations must air equal number of political views from both the sides.

    Now nobody will believe it for a minute that forcing radio stations to air equal spectrum viewpoint is pro-Libertarian stance from any angle, despite of the fact that most of the radio stations in America are dominated by Right wing talk shows.
    Well people wanna listen to right wing views on radio so the radio station owners deliver it to them.

    But asking govt to control the radio(even to make things equal) is in no way a pro-Liberty measure). Sure all the left-wing bloggers find that revival of Fairness Doctrine is a positive step, but then they are the beneficiaries from this issue.

    Net Neutrality is the same issue. Google benefits from having Net Neutrality laws because then they can spend a billion dollar in creating MASSIVE server farms and create super fast internet lane for themselves.

    But how will your service compete from the Google?? Lets say you wanna provide an email service for local people of say Mumbai, since your bits are treated the same as google's bits, but your server is slower than google's server, Google's services are WAY faster than your web service.

    My own website RFL is slow compared to your blog(hosted on google), because I can't externalize the cost of one high traffic blog to another low traffic blog's server. I have to pay for the cost from my pocket. How do I compete with Google and its million free blogs??

    If google supports Net Neutrality a million Blogspot blogs support Net Neutrality, well guess what there is no way my blog or opinion will even be heard this way.

    You talk about Hands off the Internet campaign being run by AT&T, well I can say the same thing about you. You support Net Neutrality because your blog is on google provided for free.

    So at least stop the bullshit about AT&T paying me or someone else to oppose Net Neutrality, and lets just discuss the OBJECTIVE logic

    The logic is, the optical fibers on which your Internet Runs, is the private property of the Telecom companies.

    Asking government to make laws about Net Neutrality and saying "I don't support Government intervention" in the same breath is just plain dishonest. Please grow up a conscience.


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