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March 20, 2009

Young India!
What a joke!

In its reply to the EC, the BJP stated that Gandhi’s remarks did not represent the views of the party. “The BJP categorically states that it completely disagrees, disassociates and disapproves the contents of the CD as sent to us,” party leader R Ramakrishna said in his single page reply to an EC notice. The EC had issued a notice to BJP and Gandhi, on the alleged anti-Muslim speeches made by him early this month. The party asked the EC to check the genuineness of the CD. According to Chief Election Commissioner N Gopalaswami, the onus of proving that the video CD – containing the inflammatory hate speech – was tampered with rests with Varun himself.

Why hasn’t the BJP chucked him out? IS it because he might still get votes??

See for yourself how a foreign educated (that much talked about tag) educated LSE graduate spews venom.

Does he deserve even a second of our time? And most importantly our vote?

This is the young face of a ‘new’ India!!What a big joke!!

From taking up issues like the ban on cow slaughter to asking a Sikh leader to leave a Hindu meeting, Varun Gandhi has been ruffling feathers everywhere.

Though just one offensive remark captured by a TV channel drew the attention of the local authorities, the scion of the estranged Gandhi family has been busy making such statements all over Pilibhit.

While “Jai Shri Ram” is his battle-cry at all roadside meetings or assemblies, some of the other slogans being used are “Gau hatya rukwana hai, Varun Gandhi ko jitana hai” (Cow slaughter must stop, Varun Gandhi must win) and “Varun nahin yeh aandhi hai, doosra Sanjay Gandhi hai (Varun Gandhi is like a storm, he is another Sanjay Gandhi)”.

Varun Gandhi has already addressed three ‘Hindu sammellans’. While the district administration has taken cognizance of his utterances at a meet in Barkhera on March 8, those at earlier meetings in Dalchand on March 6 and at Lalori Khera locality on Feb 22 have almost gone unnoticed.

On March 6, he said at the Dalchand meeting: “Agar kissi galat tatv ke aadmi ne, kisi Hindu pe haath uthaya ya hinduon ke upar yeh samajh key ki yeh kamzor hain, unke peeche koi nahi hai… hinduon ke upar haath uthaya, mein geeta ki kasam khake kehta hoon ki mein uss haath ko kaat daaloonga. (If somebody lifts a hand against Hindus, or thinks they are weak, there is nobody behind them, then I swear on the (Bhagvad) Gita that I will cut off that hand).”

It has left even leaders who are working for his victory flabbergasted.

Naresh Verma, a popular BJP leader in Puranpur – within the constituency – told IANS: “I am a BJP activist and a Hindu too. But I am not in favour of launching a communally charged campaign. If Varun Gandhi persists with such style of campaigning, I would be compelled to keep myself away from it.”

Added another BJP veteran Gurdial Singh: “Varun is going out of hand. If he is not restrained, this election could end in a bloody communal clash.”

The 70-year-old Sikh froom Ramnagar village was even asked to leave one of the Hindu meets being addressed by Varun Gandhi.

He neither has respect for any other religion nor even for elders. In his arrogance, he has gone to the extent of forgetting that his mother was also a Sikh before her marriage.”

If the BJP is alarmed, other parties are determined to ensure that this stops.

“We have audio-recordings of the provocative language used by Varun Gandhi to run down Muslims,” claimed Haroon Ahmad, a local Samajwadi Party leader.

We have been restraining our people from retaliating because that will lead to a clash, but how long can we stop people from reacting?” he asked.

Varun Gandhi’s Congress rival V.M. Singh said he was “going to make a detailed complaint in this regard to the Election Commission”.

Asked why he had not done so far, Singh told IANS: “I have been gathering all the evidence against him so far but now I am going to make a written complaint.

The highly objectionable slang used by Varun in his reference to Muslims could just spark off a violent communal clash here.”

What the hell is wrong with Varun Gandhi???

We pin all our hopes on the new generation of politicians and this is what they are like????

I am sure even the most hardened fundamentalists must have been gaping open mouthed at this gumption!

And shrewd he certainly is..

Narendra Modi?

He looks like a novice infront of this newcomer who spouts vitriolic speeches.

Is this what he learnt at LSE?The London School of Economics?

This is the guy we should look at with hope???

Will this sound weird or worse dumb if I say he has traces of his father’s stupidity??

The gall!the sheer gall of it all!

Now how will liberal Indians stand up and say we are secular? How?

Because this falls on all of us. The responsibility as also the need to see that this scum goes for good.

It is disgusting! it is horrific !it is vile!

Will we have Gujarat revisited 5 years down the line. ???
It is a horrifying scenario!
If communal tension flares up in Pilibhit and spreads in UP who will be responsible?
This venom spewed here now..

How I wish I could use some choice words for him.

Secularism is already in its dying throes in India…it has almost become a dead word in India.
IS Varun Gandhi here to ensure that future generations never know what Secularism meant?

Local media played clips in which he is alleged to have said he would cut off the hands of Muslims who threatened Hindus and compared a rival Muslim candidate to Osama bin Laden.

“That is a conspiracy, that is not my voice, those are not my words,” Gandhi told Times Now news channel in New Delhi.

“They have taken my speech, they have twisted it so badly that it makes me look like I’m attacking Muslims.”

Who told him that Hindus needed any saving? And by him??

Mr Togadia and Mr Modi are Gujarat-based right-wing Hindu leaders known for their vitriolic attacks against minorities. Human rights groups have alleged that these two leaders played key roles in the 2002 anti-Muslim rioting in Gujarat, which led to the deaths of between 1,000 and 2,000 people, according to various estimates, the majority of whom were Muslims.

In Patna, the capital of eastern Bihar state, where Muslims torched an effigy of Mr Gandhi on Tuesday, Mazhar Abbas, a protester, said Muslims across the country know the tape was not doctored.

“[In his speech] he uttered some Muslim names and called them scary. He clearly meant that all Muslims looked alike and were terrorists. He gave a call to unite the Hindus against the Muslims. His attitude has the potential to trigger a communal riot. Why are the authorities delaying to arrest him?” Mr Abbas said. In the northern Indian city of Aligarh, Shabbir Husain, a Muslim community leader and doctor, said Mr Gandhi should be banned from politics in India.

His style of outpouring of venom against Muslims shows how he hates the community. If such a leader comes to power he will try to get the Muslims killed if they cannot be thrown out of the country,” Dr Husain said.

In the past year everyone has seen how Muslims across the whole country came out openly against terrorists and even clerics issued fatwas against terrorism. Even [The Mumbai] attackers were not allowed to be buried in India by the Muslims. But in his speech Varun Gandhi tried to brand the whole community as terrorists. This rabidly communal man should not be allowed to contest any election.”

Despite the backlash, some other Hindu leaders known for their anti-minority stands congratulated Mr Gandhi for his “courageous and just” remarks against Muslims.

Prakash Sharma, the chief of the Hindu militant group Bajrang Dal, said Mr Gandhi had said nothing wrong and did not need to tender an apology. He added that Bajrang Dal backed him in his fight for Hindus in what the party sees as its ongoing struggle against the Muslim community.

Bal Thackeray lauds Varun Gandhi’s remarks

In an editorial titled ”Ha Gandhi Amhala Chalel” (This Gandhi will do for us)” in the party organ Saamana, Mr Thackeray said Varun had given expression to the anguish and dissatisfaction of Hindus through his speech.

”He has inherited aggressive traits of his late father Sanjay Gandhi, who had an image of ‘Messiah of Hindus’, as he never indulged in appeasing the Muslim community and spoke for the welfare of Hindus of this country,” the octrogenarian said.

He also asked the BJP to support Varun instead of distancing him.

”Varun has said only the truth” he added.

the editorial said ”BJP was passing through a difficult phase and news of rift in Delhi are coming everyday”. ”As a political tradition we will say it’s their internal matter” it said, adding ”In our country we call it Democracy and Varun has spoken in favour of this democracy, don’t stop him.” Taking a dig at BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain for demanding apology from Varun for his remarks, Mr Thackeray asked ”Is this demand by a BJP leader or a Muslim leader?”

— UNI

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Bloody Hell!
What he has inherited is a dumb brain that has lost the capacity to think whatever little it could in the first place and a mouth that he wont keep closed.
Such thoughts churning inside this hate monger’s head!

My god! And If he had not said this we would never even have come to know! We would have have voted for him or atleast supported this ‘young blood’ and would have been unaware of the hate inside his heart.

In the ‘Hindutva’ case, wherein the High Court had set aside the election of the Shiv Sena’s Manohar Joshi on the grounds that he had sought votes on the basis of religion, the Supreme Court overturned the High Court verdict, holding that ‘Hindutva’ does not refer to a specific religion but rather to a “way of life”. This, in a way, opened the doors for appeals for votes in the name of religion. It is a telling fact that no election in India has ever been rendered void on the ground that the winning candidate made communally provocative speeches. [More here]

You HAVE to read this link below ( By Farzana Versey )
a nice little roundabout way to get Muslim votes. What did you say? You said what would swell the heart of any Saudi – that you would cut the hand of “anyone who raises a finger towards Hindus”. This is not in the Hindu shastras or the Indian Constitution; you are following primitive Islamic laws banned in most Muslim countries. Bravo…

“They have scary names – Karimullah, Nazarullah – its scary to see them at night…………… When my cousin who is seven-eight years old, saw Samajwadi Party’s candidate’s photo, she said Bhaiya (big brother), I didn’t know that Osama Bin Laden is fighting from your constituency”.

Maan gaye ustaad…you know all these mullahs are trying to distance themselves from Osama, so the thought of little eight-year-old girl being scared of large section of population will bring out motherly instincts of all the Darul-Uloom types…and they do look frightening at night. You did not say day. See? You are conveying that in darkness everything looks different; we must see the light.

This Gandhi will do, says Shiv Sena
In an editorial on Wednesday, Ha Gandhi Amhala Chalel (This Gandhi is acceptable to us), in Sena’s mouthpiece ‘Saamna’, which is edited by Bal Thackeray, the party said, “A spark has ignited in the mind of Varun, don’t extinguish it.”
It stated, “We have fallen in love with this Gandhi, despite the code of conduct. We bless him.”

Ofcourse!He will do! So much like Unclethis new felllow is..Did he give him up for adoption long back? Is he his long lost son? The language would certainly say so.

There so so much venom..

Under the directions of the Election Commission, a case has been filed against Mr. Gandhi under Section 153A of the Indian Penal Code and Section 125 of the Representation of the People Act 1951, which deal with promoting enmity between people on grounds of religion, race, and so on. If found guilty, the 29-year-old politician could receive a maximum punishment of three years in prison.

There are no legal provisions to disqualify someone from contesting an election for spreading divisiveness and fostering hate during the campaign — the law invites disqualification only on the conviction of a candidate for specific offences or on his or her being sentenced to two years or more of imprisonment for other offences. Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray, one of the few politicians convicted for making communal and inflammatory speeches, was disqualified from either contesting or voting in an election for a period of six years. With no authority to punish hate speeches, the Election Commission’s demonstration of power is limited to cracking the whip on officials: the superintendent of police and the district magistrate of Pilibhit have been transferred for dereliction of duty. It is important that the criminal case against Varun Gandhi, who is in further trouble with complaints that he has distributed money to voters, is pursued diligently. If the son of Sanjay and Maneka Gandhi is allowed to get away with his deliberate and noxious foul, there will be no holding back other exponents of hate speech.[MORE HERE]

This is why restrictions are needed for people like him! So that he does NOT have the freedom to say what he wants!
Varun Gandhi seems to be suffering from verbal diarrhoea.

What will the Election Commission with limited powers do?Or rather will be able to do?

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An article on the psychology behind or of Commmunalism below
How do we understand communalism?

If we want to reduce and eliminate communalism in India, the last people to seek answers from are the secularists themselves. I have read many articles on communalism, some written by vocal anti-communalists like Teesta Setalvad and Javed Anand, and others by literary figures like Arundhati Roy and even Nobel laureate Amartya Sen. They actually have no answers.
The real answers come from psychologists, for communalism is nothing but a kind of collective neurosis, brought on by a community’s hidden anxieties and fears. Politicians know this, and this is why they pander to a community’s insecurities for short-term electoral benefits. They fan communalism for their own ends.
Psychologists like Salman Akhtar and Sudhir Kakar, however, know that you cannot deal with the problem without understanding its roots. While violence and terror need to be put down clinically, the roots of communal feelings run deeper, and need to be combated with social measures as much as education. Akhtar, for example, suggests Hindus and Muslims can deal with their negative feelings for each other if they are given opportunities to experience the “other” in everyday, non-threatening circumstances.
A former science and culture writer for The New York Times, The New Republic and other publications, Berreby’s fascinating book brings us uptodate on the essentially tribal aspects of the human mind. Based on scientific studies of human behaviour and the latest in neurosciences, Berreby explains why it is so important for human beings to slot people into our kind and their kind, and why some people may take to violence in pursuit of identity.
Leftists would have us believe that violence stems from poverty, and that feelings of separateness (as in Kashmir) must have economic causes. That may be true,
but the science of the mind tells us that we can develop a sense of Us and Them entirely out of imagined feelings. Not only that, people do not necessarily develop a liking (or disliking) for other people based on real character traits; in fact, the human mind often works the other way round. We first decide who we like, or who belongs to our tribe, and rationalise the reasons for our likes and dislikes later. In other words, the bombers of Mumbai might well have decided they are going to kill a lot of “Hindu” enemies (just as the mobs in Gujarat decided to target Muslims) before appending a reason for their decision.
Berreby also tells us how behaviours and attitudes change depending on circumstances and experiences. He quotes one experiment, where some would-be pastors were divided into three groups to check if they would help an individual in trouble when they saw him. One group was put under time pressure to hurry somewhere; another was put under less time pressure, and the third group was free to take its own time to get wherever it needed to. The first group failed to help the victim; in the second group, some helped and others didn’t. In the unhurried group, most stopped to help. The conclusion is not that some pastors are less endowed with the milk of human kindness; it’s just that the others had more time to put the same milk to work.

In another experiment, researchers reported that subtle differences in mental experiences can completely alter human behaviour. In two groups of people, one group was told to list the positive qualities of comic book heroes. Another group was specifically asked about Superman. Later on, when members of the two groups were offered a chance to do community service, the first group had more volunteers than the second. Talking about positive traits helped.

Conclusion: If we want our people to be less communal, lectures on secularism or criticism of the RSS and VHP will not help. Instead, one needs to create a shared sense of community among Hindus and Muslims in actual practice to erase the communal divide. Salman Akhtar knows this. So does Sudhir Kakar. And David Berreby.

[From Here]

Searched for links,thought for a long time…but what is the answer?
A praticeable one?
One where we can throw such human beings out (and they dont even deserve to be called human.)
What is the way forward??

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72 Comments leave one →
  1. Ordinary Guy permalink
    March 20, 2009 10:58 am

    the way forward is not visible for me….:(

  2. Biju Mathews permalink
    March 20, 2009 11:24 am

    Great post Indyeah!!

    I really can’t believe that this baby face moron is Indira Gandhi’s grandson!!

    What is he trying to prove with his fanatical pro-Hindu speeches? Has he gone completely insane? I wonder how he thought he will slip comfortably into the political seat with this attitude? And to think that his Mother – Maneka Gandhi is a five time MP. He should have atleast learnt some kitchen culture and realized that salt is not put in every dish. What a waste of humanity! Hope his non bailable arrest finds him reading the election results in jail!! God speed!

  3. Surbhi permalink
    March 20, 2009 11:37 am

    I was waiting for this from you. Just skimmed through it, though. Its 4 in the morning and I have to visit office tomorrow (weekends are not the same anymore). Will get back and read it.

    You asked, “Why hasn’t the BJP chucked him out? IS it because he might still get votes??”

    I’ve been reading about the politics behind hate and divisive tactics, and have tried answering your question in my post here. Do read and leave a comment.

    The b#&@^*d! And we all thought he is young and educated and will lead us to a better tomorrow. People like him actually compel me to revert back to cynicism and not think of an optimistic future. After the last post "Yes We Can", I feel foolish to have even written that.

    Sorry for being such a whiner here, but with all thats happening its hard to be even falsely cheery, which I wouldn't want to anyway.

    (((hugs))) – We all could do with those at least. 🙂

  4. vimmuuu permalink
    March 20, 2009 11:40 am

    Ya, flushing out such poison would only work.

    This proves that education alone doesnt maketh a man. That guy has brains in his ass, I guess !! He has shown his true colors, and he such imbicilles should never be let to contest again.

    and how stupid can one be to say Varun had made those comments innocently !!!

    Man!!, sometimes I wish the britishers shouldve stayed back!!!

  5. Solilo permalink
    March 20, 2009 11:56 am

    As I mentioned in another blog. If this is what the youth is going to be then spare me.

    What was the motive? Why would a fine educated young man spew such malice? Is being controversial necessary for politics? May be.

  6. Winnie the poohi permalink
    March 20, 2009 1:54 pm

    What he is doing is the same as “raj thakaray”

    They r trying to garner votes by being vitriolic!
    The sad part is it works everytime.. What does that say about indian public ? the general multitude?

  7. Maald permalink
    March 20, 2009 3:14 pm

    Caution, not for the sensitive:

    Mamma I wanna live:

  8. Vinod_Sharma permalink
    March 20, 2009 4:15 pm

    I have said what I felt was needed to be said about Varun Gandhi in India Retold.

    Sample this: “It’s against the rules of nature to argue that women and men are the same or that they are like two wheels of a vehicle and are entitled to equal rights. No civilised society can accept this”.

    No these are not Muthalik’s communal words. These are the words of a close ally of the secular CPM who is opposing the inclusion of a clause in the party’s manifesto to “ensure equal rights to women of all communities”. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Kerala_ally_differs_with_CPM_says_no_to_rights_for_women/articleshow/4295114.cms

  9. Bones permalink
    March 20, 2009 6:03 pm

    Why hasn’t the BJP thrown him out? Because Varun Gandhi just verbalized their true feelings…Also, there is the vote business…They are quite sure he’ll win because the Hindus in Pilibhit are for him…

    I don’t know if VG is a practicing Hindu…I mean, his mother is a Sikh and his father was only half Hindu…I don’t think he grew up in a very religious household let alone a Hindu one…All this stuff he’s been spewing is only to get votes, period…

  10. Bindu Nayar permalink
    March 20, 2009 7:10 pm

    You think he was committing a political suicide with that..the way i look at it….he did that with a purpose..Political mileage and nothing gives them more than the word “religion”..I am for young politics and we need young intellectual people not impulsive….The best thing about politics is that its unpredictable..dekho kya hotah hai ..

  11. hitch writer permalink
    March 20, 2009 7:26 pm

    I think hindutva is only a election issue… these BJP walla’s use hindutva as an election agenda… they have no conviction or belief in it…

    once they win the election they forget the hindutva and all that….

    Like in marketing you have strategies… in election you have strategies… seems to have gone wrong for the BJP this time…. now with the media highlighting these things immediately…

    However I must congratulate the Election commission for their swift action…

    What Varun did doesnt surprise me one bit…

    This has been happening since years….

    Its been others before him…

    However what is different this time is there is some reprimand that is happening… and the election commission, the police and the authorities have to ensure that Varun is made to pay for this, he is probably already regretting what he said, although he won’t apologise….

    But we need to set an example out of VArun Gandhi and not allow him to flower like Raj Thackrey’s or Pramod Muthalik’s

    This should be nipped in the bud….

  12. Indian Home Maker permalink
    March 20, 2009 7:32 pm

    BJP talks about Congress being dominated by a Dynasty politics but they obviously were looking for a crown prince and now they have found him.

    Have you read The Midnight’s Children by Salman Rushdie? You will see what to expect now onwards along with slogans like ‘Toofan hai ya aandhi hai, yeh doosra Sanjay Gandhi hai!”

    And he has not said anything new, I hope a precedence is set this time… he should be barred from fighting elections just like his most effusive supporters were – for six years, I learnt yesterday in a debate on Times Now 🙂

  13. Rakesh permalink
    March 20, 2009 9:05 pm

    Seriously, ppl like Varun Gandhi, Col. Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya, all of these malign the image of India Internationally, and yet we can’t do much about them.

    Raj Thackrey walks as a free man inspite of inciting regional hatred and riots.

    I guess the BJP is secretly happy but won’t say it. They’ll say the standard “We disapprove the comments” but they won’t chuck him out.

    Surprising – Menka Gandhi, his mother, who talks about animal rights forgot to train her son about human rights.

    The EC just acts as a mere puppy by sending notices to all and Sundry but no follow up whatsoever.

    The law and order situation is so corrupt that he wasn’t once arrested.

    Depressing, and as Surbhi wrote in her post, makes me cynical once again.

    The only way forward is to bar him from contesting elections. Doubt that it’ll happen.

  14. manju permalink
    March 20, 2009 11:04 pm

    Indyeah, at election time it is very difficult to take what any politician says, at face value. Varun Gandhi certainly went too far, and he should probably be barred from contesting this election, but I don’t think he believes what he said. It was just for effect- to impress his audience.

    I agree with what is said in the article that politicians fan hatred between communities for their own ends. Community leaders do the same.

    It is up to the State to remain impartial; however our system of different laws for different communities does not allow the State to do so.

  15. Indyana permalink
    March 20, 2009 11:10 pm

    What is happening to the people that lead our beloved nation! Sad!

  16. BrownPhantom permalink
    March 20, 2009 11:38 pm

    Power corrupts.
    His speech also reflects poorly on the audience. What kind of people we are to listen to such rhetorics and ignore the logic.

    I am a LSE student too; they don’t such things there :).

  17. Ajith permalink
    March 21, 2009 12:08 am

    Its really sad that a educated young politician trying to take a shortcut to be famous. He showed an entirely different face in delhi in front of the media . He is a cunning fox dangerous to the society and should be eliminated from politics.

  18. Anrosh permalink
    March 21, 2009 2:18 am

    what is wrong with the indians that they have accepted varun gandhi ?

    if any gandhis bark, everybody follows –

    i called a spade a spade – period.

  19. Da Eternal Rebel permalink
    March 21, 2009 2:35 am

    So the father, so is the son.

    While his father ushered the goondaraj era in Indian politics, the son seems hellbent on getting the Saffron/ Green clash back in Uttar Pradesh.

    I wonder when these “Right-wing” netas will move from cheap “other-wing bashing” to a more constructive nationalist politics. Till then we will have to tolerate these people ?

  20. Piper .. permalink
    March 21, 2009 3:16 am

    my goodness! Unbelievably disgusting Indyeah! What a retarded(read nasty) mind behind that seemingly innocent face! Like Biju Mathews said – what a waste of humanity!
    and yes, i`m back :):) shall go through all the posts i`ve missed reading for quite a while now.

  21. Charakan permalink
    March 21, 2009 7:52 am

    Good post especially the part about psychology of Communalism.Rather than speeches attacking communalism real life experience of living and sharing together helps to erase the communal divide

  22. Anonymous permalink
    March 21, 2009 9:29 am

    Good to see your outrage. It is hard not to like you. Although I am not sure you reacted similarly when Hindu educational institutions were discriminated. In India, only Hindu run educational institutions have to follow government mandated caste-based reservations. Not the so-called minority ones. Thanks to the ultra secular government we have at the center.

    In Kerala, Christian educational institutions are actually a majority and they can still enjoy special privileges. Andhra Pradesh is the only place in the world where Christians get Haj-like subsidy to go to Jerusalem. And we all know there is no Haj among Christians. When Tasleema Nasreen was attacked, cases were filed against her while the attackers went untouched. If what happened to The Statesman recently happened in the west, the seculars would not have been silent. Our seculars went into hiding.

    -GK

  23. Mystic Margarita permalink
    March 21, 2009 9:35 am

    Why hasn’t the BJP chucked him out? Because no matter what they might say, they still plan to use religion to divide India and get votes for gaining power. That’s why! these politicians make me sick!

  24. amit permalink
    March 21, 2009 11:03 am

    I think we should not oppose criminals in politics. “Education” doesn’t seem to have a meaning in this field.

  25. vishesh permalink
    March 21, 2009 6:26 pm

    the answer is simple,while I am an idealist,I still think most people shy away from the truth..what is shocking is the way he could so openly talk….you see we are not in a secular country,the constitution has no value and are the majority right? I have always said that this democracy is the biggest hypocrisy…you do wonder why we got this freedom thing,to live in this tribal jungle? We live in cities and we see so many things which we can’t question,the only we are everything going to get anywhere is by making people understanding,which is not possible anyway because anyone who tries to do so is evil and people hate being shown their fears and facing it…

    You and me can do a lot,but we would need the support of “those ” people and I am sure I can’t do it,simple why should I help a visually challenged person across the street if I see a knife in his hand ready to strike me?

  26. Indian Home Maker permalink
    March 21, 2009 10:17 pm

    Indyeah I have received the exact same comment from Anonymous GK on my blog too!
    Even the first line in praise of your anger!!!
    And I wasted my time answering this … troll/bot/ whatever they are called!

  27. oorjas permalink
    March 21, 2009 11:12 pm

    Varun reminds me of Hitler, the way he spat venom against the jews. and that did help him in his political career.

    here Varun has other hindu supporting parties to encourage him.

    i always think that politicians can gain a lot more votes (as tha this the only thing they aim at) by bringing all the communities together. if they seperate hindu form muslim or sikh they are dividing and losing the precious votes. they are the ones who must unite people ateast for their own greed for votes, and be useful to the country atleast indirectly. 🙂

    and we are exactly like the to-be pastors who are stuck in daily life difficulties (equal to lack in time) and are not doing anything.

    it is good that Varun spoke and revealed his real face or this KIDDO would have got many votes for his family lineage.

  28. Reflections permalink
    March 21, 2009 11:55 pm

    I was waiting for a post on this issue from U:-).

    Thanks for the info really….didnt have much info on this & wanted to read:-)).

  29. Sashu... permalink
    March 22, 2009 12:05 am

    good post indyeah!

    this event has been such a disgustin new addition to our political scenario..it show no education n no privileged upbringin can turn a man wise…itz so sick n so pathetic to hear the comments uttered by the young politician..

    n de stance taken by his mother party…i jz got no words!! if this is the youthful future of our nationz political scenario, i better not witness it…sigh!

  30. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:14 am

    OG:-The way forward seems really tough in times such as these…it seems almost hopeless!
    Why go and vote if these are the people who are the candidates?
    It’s a hard task getting ourselves back to being hopeful again

    Biju:-thanks
    Yes its hard to believe it….though Mrs Gandhi was no paragon of virtue herself..though she never indulged in such naked hate politics

    Yes even his mom’s experience seems to have taught him nothing!
    True this namak mirch is too much!

    ”What a waste of humanity! Hope his non bailable arrest finds him reading the election results in jail!! God speed!”
    AMEN!!

  31. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:15 am

    Surbhi:-I loved how you have put it down in such a clearheaded manner. in your post.
    This young and educated is what is so galling! It makes me cynical too!

    No you are not being a whiner just a realist..we all need to be realists..

    This makes it all seem so hopeless doesn’t it?L

    Yeah((hugs)) those help at anytime:)

    Vimmuu:-flushing out but you know the EC has no powers as such..and chances are he will be contesting:(
    EC has ADVISED BJP to take back Varun gandhi’s name as a candidate..

    Note EC has advised but cannot do anything else!This is why we need stricter rules!

    Innocent my foot!
    He knew fully well what he was doing!
    I don’t think even the Britishers would have wanted to take India in this condition!

  32. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:16 am

    Solilo:_yes I know you are very clear on the ideology of hate…
    Youth is proving to be worse than the patriarchs in politics!

    Yes like you say being controversial pays dividends and that is why they might pay for him as well..
    Disgusting!is what this is!

    Wnnie:-what it says is that we as a society are turning rotten! We are
    suffering from a poisonous cancer and we refuse to believe it..L

    Mald:-thanks for the link
    I will go and see it..prob with my audio..I will see it and get back to you..

  33. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:17 am

    IHM:- BJP had more or less sidelined Varun Gandhi ..as for Congress they call Varun being a Gandhi a mrer accident of birth while no such thing is said for Rahul!

    I dislike the BJP because of its Hindutva policy and MODI
    I dislike the Congress because one queen seems to be ruling simply on the basis of who her husband was!if that’s not insulting I don’t know what is..and the worst party is when I see senior Congress leaders touching her feet!Heights!!

    Have you read The Midnight’s Children by Salman Rushdie? You will see what to expect now onwards along with slogans like ‘Toofan hai ya aandhi hai, yeh doosra Sanjay Gandhi hai!”
    Yes I have read it and you are right about the slogans!they are a part of Indian politics and the cornier and sometimes the more predictable and disgusting the better it seems to the aprties!
    I still remember Indira id India or something along those lines…as well as some equally dumb line on Advani(which made me gag)I cant remember it now..

    He should be barred for sure IHM..but the thing is EC has onmly ADVISEED the BJP not to filed him(how pathetic is that?)
    I mean the EC shouldbe given some powers atleast!

    And lats time a politician was banned on such grounds it was in kerala amna called PC Thomas(If I rembr correctly from the news channels) and he not only contested!but also almost completed his term and then also wasonly denied his voting rights in the Loka sabha!

    That’s how long it takes for the legal system to process a case..

  34. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:18 am

    Manju:- Indyeah, at election time it is very difficult to take what any politician says, at face value
    I agree what a olitician says is not to be believed ..if he/she promises bijli sadak paani don’t belive them…

    But here is where I disagree
    but I don’t think he believes what he said. It was just for effect- to impress his audience.

    He may or may not belive in what he says…thst a moot question..simply because a man of his education and calibre and pedigree(as they call it) should have KNOWN better…

    I see a Modi in the making if he is allowed to go scot free with this..

    Why?simply because Varun beta has learnt that hate and Hindutva yield the maximum benefits in this twisted country of ours…

    ‘’I agree with what is said in the article that politicians fan hatred between communities for their own ends. Community leaders do the same.

    It is up to the State to remain impartial; however our system of different laws for different communities does not allow the State to do so.’’

    Oh yes!this I believe in completely!
    There are double standards in India for everything..be it anything..even if it’s a political party…
    But this is not the way to address those issues of double standards…

    Yes like you have said so rightly, I agree that he should be barred from contesting..doubt if it’ll happen thoughL

    Indyana:-yes it makes me feel depressed and cynical..actually aall of us are feeling like that..L

  35. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:19 am

    Da Eternal rebel:-oh yes..so like the father he is..come to think ofit..maybe traces of his daadi too?the dictator almost?the emergency queen?

    Yes Varun Gandhi is all focussed on Hindu Muslims and how to get them to kill each other..he needs to be thrown out of politics!

    ‘’I wonder when these “Right-wing” netas will move from cheap “other-wing bashing” to a more constructive nationalist politics. Till then we will have to tolerate these people ?’’
    I agree completely…perhaps it will be when the other wingers will stop appeasing minorities and focus on India and Indians as a whole…

    Then the right wingers will have no issue to talk about and will be forced to talk of developmental issues…
    The right wingers survive because there is noone with guts in the opposition to take them on…the moment any party decides to take them head on by focussing on India and not any religious group…the right wingers will be finished…

    The rabid Hindus give fodder to right wingers…
    Who are the rabid Hindus?The ones who think they are being shortchanged…some of them become complete right wingers..
    It is imp to end this feeling of us and them..

  36. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:20 am

    Mystic margarita:- Because no matter what they might say, they still plan to use religion to divide India and get votes for gaining power. That’s why! these politicians make me sick!

    Yup!and we vote for such idiots!I am kindof thankful dumb as this might sound that he showed his true colours or we might never have come to know of this hate festering inside…

    Amit:-NO Amit I can understand how cynical this has made us..but we should oppose criminals in politics…that is the very first step towards a better politics..

    I agree with this though..education has suddenly started looking meaningless..

  37. Indyeah permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:22 am

    Oorjas:-yes this kind of hate does remind is of Hitler..though Hitler was never very vocal about his hate till he became the Fuhrer…

    i always think that politicians can gain a lot more votes (as tha this the only thing they aim at) by bringing all the communities together. if they seperate hindu form muslim or sikh they are dividing and losing the precious votes. they are the ones who must unite people ateast for their own greed for votes, and be useful to the country atleast indirectly. 🙂

    :)I was smiling while reading this..will it happen?I pray for it..but I doubt it..because none of the bigger parties will show the way to cleaner politics

    and we are exactly like the to-be pastors who are stuck in daily life difficulties (equal to lack in time) and are not doing anything.
    Yes we are aren’t we?L

    it is good that Varun spoke and revealed his real face or this KIDDO would have got many votes for his family lineage.

    Yeah true..I was thankful for that too in a weird way…

    I really pray though that such a day comes which you write of..

    Reflections:-thanks:)
    Glad to have been of help:)it is a topic that ahs caught India’s attention

    Sashu:-thanks
    Yeah disgusting isn’t it?Lmakes me depressed

    ”n de stance taken by his mother party…i jz got no words!! if this is the youthful future of our nationz political scenario, i better not witness it…sigh!”

    yeah the word youth itself makes me shameful in this context…and educated even more so:((

  38. Pixie permalink
    March 22, 2009 4:47 pm

    Ah yes… The Great Indian Political Tamasha has already started!!

    His views, some of his party views… Ugh!

    Great Post though! 🙂

  39. vishesh permalink
    March 22, 2009 9:29 pm

    hmm…true we can do it..but then what is the cause behind them taking such lines? Is it that there is such a fear in the country?

    To make democracy successful,we need to wake the people up and that as I have pointed out before is what the politicians don’t want us to do…

    And if you and me are ever going to do something about it,imagine what we have to give up…is it worth it? Let is be jagoree or 49-O it doesn’t matter,for end of the day,it is well known that people in the villages vote for money and it is not just one or two but the same person votes many times over…you see that is where the British while ruling India got it right,let the people with sense vote and there is a better chance of a good govt…

    The politicians discriminated the higher class of the country and still do so..as I have said before you can’t be discriminated unless you,yourself do so..of course we need to emancipate the nation but after all these years have we ,no?

    The biggest mistake in this country was discriminating the higher class and causing the exodus to other countries..the existence of a social hierarchy will always be there and the people at the top need to help in developing the people at the lower reaches and in turn the people at the top should not be seen as the villains..

    unless we as a nation our attitude changes,we will be caught in this,in fact there will more destruction,simply because a beggar is a beggar who has no skill and he can’t be a CEO of a company…

  40. rahul permalink
    March 22, 2009 9:47 pm

    very well put down..I guess this is the election season and more masks will be removed..most of these politicians are like that and Varun gandhi ,well he is working on a proven formula of inciting a paricular community to his own benefit!!

  41. Chirag permalink
    March 22, 2009 10:21 pm

    Aree, isko press hi nahi, dena, people like him will be our leaders and we are a sad nation.

    these are some morons, who have no world view and precisely the reason they should be ignored.

    We don’t need to be a pro-hindu nation or a pro muslim, or any of such BS, what we need is a nation which grows and not bloody fight over our imaginary friends.

  42. Corinne Rodrigues nee Campos permalink
    March 22, 2009 11:34 pm

    And the BJP is worried about the IPL moving out being a blot on India’s image!

    Straight from the heart, as usual, Idyeah!

    Hugs

    Corinne

  43. March 23, 2009 1:42 am

    Indyeah .. sorry its bit confusing for me .. as i do not support Varun and as angry as you on seeing his remarks .. but then i do not support the other side as well and i think somewhere its more of a media creation ..

    As i always try to get rational and encourage people to see the other side as well or how we under report some of equally disturbing news .. or look other side when some people organize political rallies in Mosques .. or when AP govt taxes Tamples and pays to Chruches or Mosques ..

    For me both these sides are equally disturbing .. as both are opportunistic in nature and trying to use personal faiths for political gains ..

    But then i see that most of the time we probably ignore the other side .. and probably our ignorance of the other side allows people like Varun to claim legitimacy

    Sorry I am not GK and I do not want to be branded in their category and that’s where my confusion is as I tend to be so apologetic when I hear of atrocities in Gujarat but then I am equally shamed that there were 1200 people who died but then we always choose to talk about only 700 of them as what I want to see is justice for 1200 as they were human lives first and then comes their religion …

    But then I remain apologetic of the fact that I want to talk about whole of 1200 human lives .. as I quickly get branded as communal.

    Funny thing though out of India communal word has got beautiful meaning and it refers to collection of people.

  44. Mavin permalink
    March 23, 2009 4:37 am

    A political light weight coming of age in this “dog-eat-dog” world.

    Sensationalism is the first step for the world to sit up and take notice.

    That done – you play electoral arithmetic and gain legitimacy. If cards are played well then you are on your way.

    Abhi – may be you can try and trace this. Sharad Pawar recently said that the root cause of terrorism in India has been “Hindu Terrorism”. What do you say to this rubbish? but it is accepted and does not make any ripple.

    The politicians have some favourite whipping boys and they never fail to deliver results.

  45. kanagu permalink
    March 23, 2009 6:08 am

    A well written comprehensive post Indyeah 🙂
    The problem is that we people are made to believe that god and religion are above anything and we have to safeguard it. Not many people have access to information that says it’s all created to correct ourselves and not to fight among ourselves.. so these political parties taking advantage of the people’s faith and want to garner votes,…. becos they don’t know what is meant by providing a good governance.. Even though they know.. they don’t want to tell to people.. so that they will become knowledgable..

    sad thing is that our people fell to these idiotic words.. 😦

  46. Phoenix permalink
    March 23, 2009 9:53 am

    Thing with “intelligent people” is that they know what sells, and how best to tweak twist and turn a system bloody too damn well. He made BJP’s Hindutva brand sharp, effective, efficient, unfortunately (for him) it backfired pretty soon and like host of others, he had taken for granted he can get away with it.
    truth is, he shouldn’t. Question is, will he?

  47. Indyeah permalink
    March 23, 2009 10:39 am

    Pixie:-yeah you said it!the great Indian political tamasha!

    and UGH is exactly right!!

    thank you so much:)

    Vishesh:-very valid points Vishesh

    and I agree on this score

    ”The politicians discriminated the higher class of the country and still do so..as I have said before you can’t be discriminated unless you,yourself do so..of course we need to emancipate the nation but after all these years have we ,no? ”

    ”The biggest mistake in this country was discriminating the higher class and causing the exodus to other countries..the existence of a social hierarchy will always be there and the people at the top need to help in developing the people at the lower reaches and in turn the people at the top should not be seen as the villains..”

    CAn I say brilliantly said Vishesh?becasue this is the reality people dont want to face and which is giving rise to such divisive politics where the voters as you said can bought and sold:(

    I still believe we can…call it hope optimism or being naive…but we do believ dont we?for,where would we be without the dreams??

    and you too are young India arent you?:))
    I have hope then:)

  48. Indyeah permalink
    March 23, 2009 10:43 am

    Rahul:-Thanks

    ”I guess this is the election season and more masks will be removed..”
    you are right though I think these politicians do it deliberately so that they get attention and votes…and know that they can get away with it..:((

    the divisive politics will sink India one day if this continues!

    Chirag:-you say it most succintly without any laag lapet as they say in Hindi..
    ”Aree, isko press hi nahi, dena, people like him will be our leaders and we are a sad nation.

    these are some morons, who have no world view and precisely the reason they should be ignored.

    We don’t need to be a pro-hindu nation or a pro muslim, or any of such BS, what we need is a nation which grows and not bloody fight over our imaginary friends.”

    but who will tell this to the aam junta??:(
    forget the aam janata even blogosphere seems to be divided no?:(

    PS:-you dont like thank you’s??:PP

  49. Indyeah permalink
    March 23, 2009 10:45 am

    Corrine:-”And the BJP is worried about the IPL moving out being a blot on India’s image! ”
    thats the thing Corrine BJP is worried about such things when it should be shutting up varun Gandhi and the COngress ruled states refuse to let IPL be played during the elections being too cautious…
    what the ?:(
    what sort of an image will we present to the world when we cant host the IPL?how will we host the commonwealth??:((

    Thanks:)

  50. Indyeah permalink
    March 23, 2009 11:06 am

    UI:-I dont see how it is confusing..
    a hate speech was made …we need to condemn it totally..without trying to see the causes right now at this moment…

    why?because to say that VArun gandhi has had his reasons for this hate speech is diluting the issue isnt it?Then it gives a certain legitimacy to his speech doesnt it?

    How can such a vitriolic speech not be condemned outright is what I fail to understand!

    hsi si what I wrote in anotehr context and I am repeating it here

    ”What Varun Gandhi has said cannot be justified ever…because to do so would be like diluting the issue…and his mother has been incharge of that area..and so if there are allegations that there is trouble in Pilibhit (and has always been as he alleges) then what does it say about his mother?

    She should be held responsible shouldn’t she?

    Its like lalu yadav’s son becoming the CM of Bihar(instead of Nitish) and then blaming the opposition for the state of things..!Absurd is what it would be!”

    you wrote
    ”As i always try to get rational and encourage people to see the other side as well or how we under report some of equally disturbing news .. or look other side when some people organize political rallies in Mosques .. or when AP govt taxes Tamples and pays to Chruches or Mosques ..

    For me both these sides are equally disturbing .. as both are opportunistic in nature and trying to use personal faiths for political gains ..

    But then i see that most of the time we probably ignore the other side .. and probably our ignorance of the other side allows people like Varun to claim legitimacy”

    I am a bit confused UI..are you saying Varun Gandhi’s speech had certain reasons that were valid ?OR are you trying to say that what Varun said was not supported by valid reasons??

    Please do clarify ..would love to hear more

    ”that’s where my confusion is as I tend to be so apologetic when I hear of atrocities in Gujarat but then I am equally shamed that there were 1200 people who died but then we always choose to talk about only 700 of them as what I want to see is justice for 1200 as they were human lives first and then comes their religion ”

    But we are not talking about religion in the Gujarat case are we???We are talking about how hate led to so many lives being lost

    I mean how justified is it to kill people of a certain religion BECAUSE a certain no of people of another religion have been killed?
    How does that make sense???

    Thsi is not the wild west ..this is India…we cannot have vigilante justice here!

    When Godhra happened(caused by xyz people) then what MODI should HAVE DONE is to tighten security arrangemenst so that the situation didnt spiral out of control,come out and give a public speech/broadcast telling people to remain calm and quiet/ensure that themedia did not play the Godhra clips over and over again so that it would not incite communal feelings…AND ensure that the law took its own course!

    THSI IS WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE!

    WHat did he do instead???
    HE LET HIS PARTY MEMBERS AND CITIZENS WHO HAD BECOME ANIMALS LOOSE and they wreaked havoc!!

    A BLOODY CM OF A STATE DID NOT HAVE THE BRAINS AND THE GUTS TO KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE DONE!
    HE INDULGED IN HATE POLITICS!

    now tell me how do I accept him as MY PM IN WAITING???AS PPL SAY???

    you say you feel apologetic..

    For gods sake why???
    I dont! I never do…If I have to ask questions as to why Hindus are paraded left right and centre on news chaneels while the mainstream media ignores the others and treats the minority topics as taboo,I never squirm..I think I am asking a rightful question and hy should I feel apologetic about it???

    I can shout myself hoarse for all the religions/people/communities in India when they are discriminated against..
    and I do that…

    If you believe in yourself and think of everyone as an Indian first then you wont feel apologetic at all…

    People have asked questions as to whether I am in favour of RSS or SAngh parivar..when I have asked questions about why the mainstream media focusses solely on Hindus and muslms and not others…

    do the allegations affect me?
    no!I couldnt care less!

    Communal does not have that meaning in India..in India both the words secular and communal have diff meaning than what they have in the rest ofthe world..”

  51. Indyeah permalink
    March 23, 2009 11:12 am

    Mavin Sir:- ”political light weight coming of age in this “dog-eat-dog” world.

    Sensationalism is the first step for the world to sit up and take notice.

    That done – you play electoral arithmetic and gain legitimacy. If cards are played well then you are on your way.”

    Absolutely Sir!I agree this is what all of them do and get away with time and time again!

    infact SOlilo has shared a link about how VArun will get away with this as per the new reports:((
    here

    http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1241715

    makes me depressed!:((

    ”Sharad Pawar recently said that the root cause of terrorism in India has been “Hindu Terrorism”. What do you say to this rubbish? but it is accepted and does not make any ripple.

    The politicians have some favourite whipping boys and they never fail to deliver results.”

    I will try and trace it for sure..
    but my stand on it is very clear..I completely agree as to how some communities are bashed up continously..and like I mentioned in my reply to UI above, when I raised this very same question as to how only certain commmunities are targetted, doubts were raised about my suspected affiliation to RSS sangh parivar etc
    so you can imagine the scene

  52. Indyeah permalink
    March 23, 2009 11:16 am

    Kanagu:-thanks

    ”The problem is that we people are made to believe that god and religion are above anything and we have to safeguard it. Not many people have access to information that says it’s all created to correct ourselves and not to fight among ourselves.. so these political parties taking advantage of the people’s faith and want to garner votes,…. becos they don’t know what is meant by providing a good governance.. Even though they know.. they don’t want to tell to people.. so that they will become knowledgable..

    sad thing is that our people fell to these idiotic words.. :(”

    kanagu I agree to an extent..but overall I dont think people are taht dumb to believe that their religion is above the law or anything..
    it is the politicians who create doubt and supicion in the minds of the people by treating some religions in a very special way ,giving them extra sops benefuts etc which make the rest feel neglectd and shortchanged…

    In such an atmosphere the sutuation is ripe for hate and violence when every community starts feeling that it has been treated unfairly…

    in trying to please a select few and trying thus to get votes the politicians fan the flames more:(((

  53. Indyeah permalink
    March 23, 2009 11:19 am

    Phoenix:-well put!
    yes he not only will get away but has infact gotten away!:((

    here is a link SOLILO shared

    http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1241715

    Why cant e have better more strict laws???how can he get away with this???bloody hell!

  54. March 23, 2009 11:46 am

    Indyeah .. good to see your comments .. I do not support Varun .. but with a single minded focus on Varun has done more harm again .. (and we have been in such situations before) as it really didn’t allow us to wider the net and tighten to screw on everything that is ‘communal’ .. whats happening in ‘Ponnani’ in Kerala is just part of the other side’s story .. and NaMo is far better than what we had in 1984 ..
    again coming back to my fev question these days .. why ‘FIRAQ’ was not released earlier when it was ready since last sept .. we need to question some ‘bleeding heart liberals’ as well .. then only it will not allow Varuns to walk away scott free ..

    and on Guj i am apologetic as i question if it was perpetuated towards just one religion then how come almost equal number of people died from other religion as well (that too post godhra) ..

    now i would be happy to debate it further or get bracketed with certain people as i am not ‘bleeding heart liberal’

  55. Usha Pisharody permalink
    March 24, 2009 12:22 am

    Indygurl… long time; and I am glad I came in to read a post that is so relevant and so passionate about all our fears. Whither to, O India, is what I would like to bemoan.. when I read of such educated [and dont we go on about education being the one thing that can root out evils in society?? Irony, heavy irony here!]persons, from families of “high” standing, culturally, perhaps. socially, yes, and politically definitely, going around with these utterly debased ethics, all for the sake of votes?

    I had just mentioned to my son the other day that he certainly is his father’s son… and lo and behold, the Indian Express, a couple of days later said the same thing, in their editorial… Somehow I think we’re in for a long haul, with this kind of political leadership!

    And it just isnt here, but each constituency you will find that the common man loses out the most; religion, caste and creed are what rule!

    Sad sad sad days , these….

  56. vishesh permalink
    March 24, 2009 12:42 am

    lol,you just cheered me up 😛 ya we have hope,but then that is exactly the problem,me being young…people think I am wrong and those who think I am right,tell me that is not the reality,what everyone wants is for me to accept what exists…but i refuse 🙂 but sometimes I am one of a kind 😉

  57. Smitha permalink
    March 24, 2009 12:53 am

    Indyeah – I thought I had commented on this pos t – but looks like my phone abandoned me at the last minute! Anyways, I guess everything I wanted to say has already been said by so many others! I just wanted to add that I wish we had an alternative, i wish we had politicians discussing real issues, I wish we had politicians coming forward and telling us ‘ Look, We can see that the global slowdown is going to effect us in these, these ways, and here is what we plan to do about it’ !
    Instead we hear about hate culture, killing minorities, family culture of the ‘Royal Family’ and full details about the number game!!! Can’t see any way forward without our whole political class being replaced!! Sometimes I wish that parliament strike had been successful!!

  58. Solilo permalink
    March 24, 2009 5:29 am

    Abhi, I just got chance to read all the comments and your responses to it. I agree with each word of yours even the ones in all CAPS :).

    Varun Gandhi is an example of what Indian politics does to you. Check this video http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/video/video.aspx?id=63206

    Varun Gandhi Then and Now.

  59. Poonam J permalink
    March 24, 2009 7:16 pm

    What are we coming to…youth is suppossed to be the future…and do we need a future with people like these. Sadly they will get votes, they will be there to Govern..I guess that is what elections is all about these days…spew hatred, cynicism…and show no hope.Speak of the non issues,not the issues….
    “In politics… never retreat, never retract… never admit a mistake”
    Napoleon Bonaparte
    Thats Politics summed up so well.Like always..Great Post Indyeah…interesting read.

  60. Chirag permalink
    March 25, 2009 2:35 am

    So, you won’t write 🙂 till he’s thrown out, is it?

  61. Sucharita Sarkar permalink
    March 25, 2009 9:43 am

    Great and timely post. It’s time we protested against abuse of freedom of speech by ranting politicians who spread venom though their words.

    BTW, why don’t you have a Follower list in your sidebar?

  62. Indyeah permalink
    March 25, 2009 10:20 am

    UI:-”Indyeah .. good to see your comments .. I do not support Varun .. but with a single minded focus on Varun has done more harm again .. (and we have been in such situations before) as it really didn’t allow us to wider the net and tighten to screw on everything that is ‘communal’ .. whats happening in ‘Ponnani’ in Kerala is just part of the other side’s story .. and NaMo is far better than what we had in 1984 ..
    again coming back to my fev question these days .. why ‘FIRAQ’ was not released earlier when it was ready since last sept .. we need to question some ‘bleeding heart liberals’ as well .. then only it will not allow Varuns to walk away scott free ..

    and on Guj i am apologetic as i question if it was perpetuated towards just one religion then how come almost equal number of people died from other religion as well (that too post godhra) ..

    now i would be happy to debate it further or get bracketed with certain people as i am not ‘bleeding heart liberal”’

    I have simply copy pasted your comments UI.
    Simply becasue I do understand that you are not someone who supports communalsim in any form and yet also feels baffled as to why only certain communities in India are shown as the perpetrators ALWAYS.

    You say, we need to question what really happened which led to Gujarat riots..
    fine I agree but where I disagree is why have these questions now?

    Wont asking these questions NOW give ppl like Varun Gandhi the boldness to carry such things further and take them to the next level and then say ,”oh but so many Hindus feel wronged I am speaking for them!”

    I have all the same questions as you do UI

    I too think that the Muslims or any other community that enjoy yes enjoy the privileges like reservations on the basis of RELIGION (I mean really how much more communal can the Congress get?)
    and then complains about not being treted as an equal citizen of India should first surrender those privileges and then talk…

    because the so called reservation ahs actually led to reverse discrimination and those of us who feel left out are resentful!very resentful when we see a loved one missing out on a seat becasue someone with lower marks had a reserved seat!

    UI you and I both have the exact same questions
    the only difference as I see it is in the timing…

    I want to condemn Varun gandhi now and ask questions about pseudo secularism and reservationsand religion later…
    while you want to ask the questions now and find out the reasons behind
    his statement…and also the way movies like firaq are being released at a certain time and only show one side of the picture…

    and no from what I have read here I dont think you are communal..

  63. Indyeah permalink
    March 25, 2009 10:22 am

    Usha Pisharody:-:) you bring a smile everytime:)

    just with your presence:)

    Whither to, O India, is what I would like to bemoan.. when I read of such educated [and dont we go on about education being the one thing that can root out evils in society?? Irony, heavy irony here!]persons, from families of “high” standing, culturally, perhaps. socially, yes, and politically definitely, going around with these utterly debased ethics, all for the sake of votes?

    😦 yes usha all in the name of religion and to get votes:(((

    Where are we going??:(
    I dont know and sometimes I just dont want to know:((

    (((hugs))0for coming and bringing a smile here in this gloom because even your presence is enough like I said:)))

  64. Indyeah permalink
    March 25, 2009 10:25 am

    Vishesh:-:))anytime for you kiddo:)
    you are one of a kind for the sheer conciseness of your thoughts at this age:)

    you strightaway got to the heart of the problem the feeling of ‘inequality’ that comes from amking some more equal than otehrs’

    and thats why I said BrillianT!:))

    …people think I am wrong and those who think I am right,tell me that is not the reality,what everyone wants is for me to accept what exists…but i refuse

    well:) be open but also be your own person:))

    have you heard of that one?those who stand for nothing fall for everything?:))
    god bless:)

  65. Indyeah permalink
    March 25, 2009 10:27 am

    Smitha:-I just wanted to add that I wish we had an alternative, i wish we had politicians discussing real issues, I wish we had politicians coming forward and telling us ‘ Look, We can see that the global slowdown is going to effect us in these, these ways, and here is what we plan to do about it’ !

    absolutely my thoughts too Smitha!

    and I wish too in moments of sheer despair I think why did those securitymen and women die???
    to protect these #######????

    sheer despair!!

  66. Indyeah permalink
    March 25, 2009 10:29 am

    Solilo:-((hugs)) another friend:)one most dear:))
    lol@all caps:))
    thanks for the link Solilo:))
    have seen ti and I was amazed..
    will share it too in a post soon

    (((hugs))
    for being you:)

  67. Indyeah permalink
    March 25, 2009 10:32 am

    Poonam:-.Speak of the non issues,not the issues….
    “In politics… never retreat, never retract… never admit a mistake”
    Napoleon Bonaparte
    Thats Politics summed up so well

    thanks for sharing that quote Poonam
    it amazed and depressed me at the same time..for,that is just what politics is isnt it?:((
    god bless India..

    and us the ones who vote for these morons..

    Chirag:-awww….thanks Chirag:))
    you brought a smile :))
    will do a post pucca for the sheer joy that your question brought :))
    yay!!you asked!:)

    😀

  68. Indyeah permalink
    March 25, 2009 10:35 am

    Sucharita Sarkar:-It’s time we protested against abuse of freedom of speech by ranting politicians who spread venom though their words.

    wah!!you dont know you have just touched upon my fav topic:D
    and the one taht will make my frineds groan:D:D
    freedom of speech!:D
    to have or not to have :Dand if so how much?:D

    will tell you what I am tallking about soon:))

    awww thanks :)its there actually quite at the bottom really:Dto the right side:)

    I am so flattered:))
    thanks:))

    UI:_I hate (yes hate)the bleeding heart liberals too

  69. Smitha permalink
    March 25, 2009 11:47 pm

    Indyeah! Where are you? Very busy? No new posts? Waiting to hear from you!

  70. Indyeah permalink
    March 26, 2009 6:14 am

    Smitha:-aww..:))((hugs))right here..just busy with some work:))and blog hopping in my spare time:D
    will do a post:))
    that is so darn sweet of you:))

  71. Mamma mia! Me a mamma? permalink
    March 26, 2009 7:03 pm

    I refuse to think of him as the face of young India! The more bloggers I read and inteact with, I am more convinced of this fact. It’s just so unfortunate that the ‘sensible’, ‘educated’ face of India chooses to stay away from governance.

    These idiots are giving Hindus a bad name! It’s almost something to be ashamed about! I don’t want that to happen…

  72. Indyeah permalink
    March 29, 2009 10:21 pm

    Mamma mia me a mamma:- ”It’s just so unfortunate that the ‘sensible’, ‘educated’ face of India chooses to stay away from governance.”

    yes,thats the problem:(
    and look at how even education fails us at times:((

    yes I also refuse to think of him as the young face of new India!
    moron that he is!

    makes me ashamed too..I feel ashamed to be an Indian at such times:((

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