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The Wave (1981) Die Welle (2008)

March 28, 2009

At this point I am supposed to say watch out for spoilers 🙂

However,this time it is not necessary.

Why?

Because this is a story for all of us.There are no plots or sub plots,no villains,no heroes who save the day.
We ARE the villains. For, where else do they come from?
We are also the heroes IF we want to be.
But only if we want to be. Only if we are ready to think differently. As an individual. As a living breathing being. One who will not be influenced by what goes around him/her. One who will not conform.

The moment you start to conform whether you are a right winger or a so called liberal, you face the danger of turning into an automaton…whatever it is that your beliefs are, you first need to think as a human being. One who has been given the brains to do so.

These movies and the book , that this post is about are based on a real life incident.

What happens ,what can happen when we cease to think on our own.

When we become part of the herd. Herd mentality and/or mob mentality they call it.
(And oh don’t think that mob mentality can only be about the right wingers in India’s context.It can as much be for the ‘liberal’ ones.Which is why blindly following one thing because the other is worse is equally dangerous.)

In my experience, most normal , ordinary people are somewhere between being staunch proponents of their beliefs and being a complete liberal for whom anything goes.

Which is why I personally do not believe in anything or anyone called secular in India today .

There are always shades of grey.

Sample Nietzsche’s words…(ofcourse, Nietzsche himself was no genius and some of his works are quite offensive due to their bigotry)

”Herd mentality describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors, follow trends, and/or purchase items.

”People in these herds are broken up into two groups, explains Friedrich Nietzsche, a philosopher who coined the phrase.


One lended itself to the religious points of views- their beliefs and how those dictated their actions
while the other lended itself to influence by the media- more liberal and based upon what others perceive as ‘right’ (following trends, social norms, etc.)”

The Wave(1981)

The Wave(1981)

The Wave(1981)

Die Welle (2008)

Die Welle(2008)

Die Welle means The Wave in german.

The Wave:-How it started.

In 1967, at the Cubberley High School in Palo Alto, California, World History teacher Ron Jones was asked about the Holocaust by a student. “Could it happen here?”. According to the press release accompanying the latest retelling of the events that followed, “Jones came up with an unusual answer. He decided to have a two week experiment in dictatorship. His idea was to explain fascism to his class through a game, nothing more. He never intended what resulted, where his class would be turned into a Fascist environment. Where students gave up their freedom for the prospect of being superior to their neighbors.

Monday morning he straightened the classroom, dimmed the lights and played Wagnerian music. The word “discipline” was written on the blackboard. He then had the students sit up straight in their chairs with hands placed flat across the small of their backs. In this setting, he devoted the remainder of the class to the topic of discipline.

By the second day, Jones developed a special greeting, a wave. It became known as the Third Wave, and if students saw each other outside class, they were to use it. In his lectures, Jones went from “discipline,” to “strength through community,” and then to “strength through action.”
By midweek, his “experiment” expanded to sixty students, and by the week’s end, more than two hundred were participating. Other teachers and the school’s principal stood by and watched.

The first sign of concern came when some students had taken it upon themselves to report others who did not conform. After just four days, things got out of hand. Jones feared for the safety of a few students who refused to participate. To his dismay and alarm, the experiment was so blindly embraced by the students, that he cut the project short. “Initially I just wanted to show my students how powerful the pressure to belong can be, but the exercise got out of control. A momentum began to build that I couldn’t slow, or even deter. I became frightened by the day-to-day happenings in class, and was forced to call it off,” recalls Jones.

Overnight, Jones became the subject of national controversy, sparking discussion on the appropriateness of exposing young adults to life’s realities. To some, he was an innovative hero and teacher; to others he was a Communist. Many people were shocked and embarrassed that the same mentality which led to the Holocaust could develop so quickly, in 1967, in a pristine all-American setting, and an academic town no less, home to the well-known Stanford University.”

READ ABOUT THE THIRD WAVE HERE

(Thanks for reminding me Biju:) )

“I’m not proud of The Wave but I can’t escape it! It is like a calling that just gets louder! For me The Wave is a story of ghosts. What we can be. The allure of good and evil. Choices. I’m sorry, but in the end I can’t answer your questions about The Wave. I am a gym teacher and grandparent. Confused by today’s events. Worried. Feeling unable to affect change. Content to play basketball with a grandchild, listen to the songs in my head. Spitting the poetry of everyday life in quiet reverence.

I suspect, the answers you seek are closer than some distant drum beat. It is the choices you make. The decision to include or exclude people from your life. To walk across the room to meet a stranger. The stranger in you and all of us. To trust yourself and others. To fight for justice and equality in the pulse of your life. To love your children. To be silly. Playful. Organize for a sense of community and better life for all. A life that can’t be given away to any fear or tyrant. A life that can’t be planned or explained, only appreciated.

Yes, there is good and evil in what we do. The good in me yearns for freedom. The evil exists at the edge of road rage or a racial slur waiting to explode into a world of perfection, answers, and order. I am capable of either.”
-Ron Jones (American High School teacher)

These are the words of a American teacher. A teacher, for whom an experiment in the classroom in 1967 went horribly wrong. An experiment on which an American Television Film was made, a book was written and a German movie (2008) was made.
IMDB

DO READ THE THIRD WAVE STORY IN RON JONES’s WORDS

Clip from the 1981 movie The Wave here

The Trailer for the 2008 movie ‘Die Welle’ here

”A thought-provoking dramatization of an actual classroom experiment on individualism vs. conformity in which a high school teacher formed his own “Reich” (called “The Wave”) to show why the German people could so willingly embrace Nazism. This unflinching yet sensitive 1981 Emmy Award-winner raises critical questions: When does dedication to a group cross the line from loyalty to fanaticism? Does power corrupt? What is the nature of propaganda and mass persuasion? Can something like the Nazi Holocaust happen again?”
-Lines from a review of the movie

The 2008 version shows an end that is different from what actually happened in real life. I have liked both versions equally.

FOR MORE GO HERE
Review at Movie Critic

More on The Wave here (DO READ THIS)

The Wave is now standard teaching material in Germany.

Dieter Fuchs, who has taught ‘The Wave’ in his Münster school for 15 years. Mainly, though, he admires its central message: “To show how human beings are capable of falling under the spell of a dangerous leader with charisma, and how that’s not only a problem of German society, but also maybe of other societies.
Fuchs and other devotees assign ‘The Wave’ alongside classics like ‘Animal Farm’ and ‘The Diary of Anne Frank’.


The Book

Do pick up the book and try to see the movies as well.

The book as well as both the movies are quite fantastic to read and watch. It is a world that seems normal. People like you and me inhabit this world. They think they are normal just as we do. They think Nazism is a thing of the past just as we do.
They think that they live in a sane ,logical, thinking society just as we do.

And yet they turn into the very same people they had loathed. Over a period of just a few days a group of teenagers are transformed from thinking individuals to being nothing more than automatons.

The subject itself is quite gripping. It terrifies you when you start thinking about it.

What actually sent a shiver down my spine was the fact that this had happened in REAL LIFE.

Do go through all the links. And ofcourse research on your own too. But DO pick up the book and watch the movies.

Ask anyone who has read the book and/or seen the movie about what the lesson has been and chances are that they will reply that it teaches us or rather shows us why we should not blindly follow a leader.
For that matter who makes an individual a leader?
We do!
So is it not our responsibility to question the leaders at all times?

So yes, NOT blindly following a leader is one important lesson.

The other is the sheer horror that watching the book and movie fills us with.
How easy is it for Fascism or Nazism to rise??
Its a matter of days.

This is why the need to be constantly vigilant. Constantly alert. Constantly thinking.

When I first saw the movie the Fascism /Nazism angle was constantly on my mind. Maybe because this is exactly the subject I teach. Also, it showed me exactly what NOT to do in the classroom, a classroom where young minds are sitting. All of them looking upto you. It taught me where to draw the line between reality and play acting.

But now let me add one more thing that I did take from the movie. A lesson if you may.

It is easy and justified to call certain right wingers bad or pathetic or what have you…any name that you want. Even a kid can tell you that a man who says ,” I will cut off your hands /legs /body because you belong to such and such community’‘ is a bad man/woman. Or even some of the previous leaders in this pantheon of demi-gods and goddesses. (or so the supporters would like to think)

We all know how fanatical some right wingers can get at times. And really,it is not such a complex subject for a debate unless ofcourse someone has got a few nuts missing.

Edited to add:-I understood Manju’s point and let me add that supporting the BJP does NOT mean someone is a fundamentalist. All BJP supporters in India are not fundamentalists.

Just as being a Congress supporter does NOT mean that one has magically and mysteriously acquired a ‘secular’ identity.

Secular and fundamentalist are not terms that are someone’s ‘jaagir’ or are to be flung at people in contempt..

Both the parties have fundamentalists AND secularists (if there are any left today) in their ranks and among their supporters.

BJP and Congress both cannot claim to be above and beyond questioning.

IF THE BJP CAN BE CALLED A RIGHT WINGER PARTY, THEN THE CONGRESS CAN BE CALLED A PSEUDO SECULAR ONE.(Oh and before the trolls object I do love to use the word pseudo secular for the Congress.:) It describes them best)

(Let me show you how in my next post)

It is important that every action, every activity of the right wingers is highlighted.

Highlighted so that we never forget.

However, what is equally important ,perhaps more than any other is the need to realize that we need to question our ‘secular’ institutions too.
So let me repeat my previous line. Highlight each activity of the pseudo seculars too, so that we do not forget EVER.

It is important to question the ‘pseudo secular’ parties so that we are not fooled again.

That we need to question their credentials every single day.

That not a moment should pass where we should take it for granted that they are ‘all right’.

The probing questions…the scrutiny…all of the secular institutions /individuals/parties should be subjected to it.

The only way we can hope that we do not turn into a version of The Wave is by ensuring that all secular people are questioned .Every damn day.

That they should never take it for granted that the ‘secular title’ rests securely on their head just because there is another bigger villain in the picture.
OR Just because they ‘say so’.

For, in trying to distance ourselves from the rabid elements, are we moving towards a blind following of some not so desirable ones??

Why give anyone that much power? Why make them feel so secure?

Why not refuse to be on either side because both look like different faces of the same evil ?

If one will gladly kill you in the name of religion, be assured that the other will merely stand without a care in the world and watch you being killed.
Now tell me, which one will you pick?

I want to kick/throw out/strangle/kill both of them equally.

Why not stand in the middle and look for individuals who can measure up to your standards?

For that matter, why not be that individual yourself? (I know, easier said than done)

And remember there are NO individuals with impeccable credentials who cannot be questioned, no institutions which are totally secular and not open to questioning, nothing in a democracy is above questioning.

And if they ARE, really are concerned about you the aam janta, then they will WELCOME your questions.

They will not turn right around and start pointing fingers at someone else instead of answering YOUR QUESTIONS.

”Yes, yes we KNOW that the ‘OTHER’ is bad, but what will YOU do for us??” That should be the question nay, the counter question we should ask these so called secular parties/people/institutions.

Questioning authority is the first thing we learn on our own.(or atleast should for those who dont)
And questioning authority is what we need to teach or show our children as well.

The only democracies that survive are the ones where no one is above scrutiny.

PS:-IHM, Dhiren and Winnie, I am not able to comment on your blogs.Actually it is a problem with most blogspot blogs:((
And from what I have noticed this problem is only with the commentboxes which have been embedded beneath the posts.:((

I am able to comment on the separate comment pages or the opo out ones:)

So if you see me ‘arriving’ and not commenting..:D why! It would be sacrilegeous !:D it would!

So I am trying my best..:D
bear with me please:))

Are any of you facing this problem as well? 😦

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74 Comments leave one →
  1. Indian Home Maker permalink
    March 28, 2009 9:10 pm

    Brilliant Indyeah 🙂 And agree with your views, though I have not read the book or watched the movie.

    I am reading a book that talks of the same thing, called The Handmaid’s tale by Margaret Atwood .. still halfway through … Once we realise that such traps exist, each one of us, we are almost protected…

    You are amazing to have written this post. Anybody who can think so much has a bright and open mind.

    Hats off!!

  2. saima permalink
    March 28, 2009 10:12 pm

    wow!!
    this is all i can manage to say after reading your post 🙂
    continue writing such informative pieces!!!

  3. manju permalink
    March 28, 2009 10:23 pm

    Now I just have to see these movies!:)
    Great reviews, Indyeah!

    As to your discussion about right-wing and secular- I’m afraid that I question it on many points.

    The most important one being that you have assumed some things which we cannot assume without proof.

    However that’s not something that I can explain in a small comment, so some other time.:)

  4. Indyeah permalink
    March 28, 2009 10:48 pm

    IHM:-Thnak you:)
    I know you will like the movie and the book:)
    they are really good:)
    I am going to pick up that book…The Handmaid’s tale by Margaret Atwood .. it does sound interesting…just read a review of the book online..def picking it up:)

    thank you so much IHM:)

    (((Hugs)))

  5. Indyeah permalink
    March 28, 2009 10:52 pm

    Saima:-Welcome:)
    and thank you so much:)
    do read the book and try to get the movies…quite thought provoking and more..

    Manju:-Thank you:)
    Yes,I understoood your concerns and then took a second look at the post…yes understood what you wanted to say ,so have added some lines:)

    Because one half of my extended family is in the BJP camp while the other half are strong Congress supporters…and none of them are fundamentalists :))(there is also a leftists somewhere a JNU scholar thrown in for good measure:D)

    so yes I completely understood your concerns..hope that it seems more clear now:)

    Were these your concerns?:)
    do take a look..

  6. Bones permalink
    March 28, 2009 11:41 pm

    WOW!!! All I can say is BRILLIANT!!! My family is like yours – some Congress, some BJP…I’m neither because although I want to vote, I can’t because my name is never registered!!!Moving often is the problem…
    I will try to see the movie…
    About our political parties – there’s nothing to differentiate because I don’t think they have an ideology as such…They want votes and they are going about it by being communal, pseudo-secular or casteist…Playing on people’s insecurities…
    Modi is India’s Hitler…There are some people who support him just because Sunil Mittal, Ratan Tata and Ambani said he was great…They fail to realize that Modi is great for businessmen – he’s autocratic and can get things done in a jiffy if someone wants to invest in his state…What about ordinary citizens?

  7. Biju Mathews permalink
    March 29, 2009 12:00 am

    There you are again with a very important view point and a subject of debate. Excellent post!!

    You summed it all when you said, “..how powerful the pressure to belong can be…”

    I had read about the Third Wave before but you brought out the gist from that experiment. The experiment had success and mixed results and many believe that it became a winner because of the similarity to the Third Reich (the name). They even had black bands which resembled the “SS” bands.

    Fascism as opposed to democracy or liberalism is all around us and we hardly sense it and understand it. A single powerful speaker is enough to influence a thousand frustrated minds. When people do not belong to a purpose, or are unable to pass time or are morally conscious of their worth in the society a simple full of shit motivational leader comes along and bundles all of them together proclaiming that he has the answer. They are given recognition and a voice in that organization. As a big fish gets netted all the smaller ones follow. They are continuously reminded of “their” new found power and every new memeber is highlighted as an achievement.

    Todays news paper reminds us of that power. Varun Gandhi with his stupid speeches gained so many supporters that hundreds of his so called friends blocked roads and clashed with the police as he was arrested.

    Power is a funny but a motivational curse!

    Keep Blogging Abhi!!!

  8. Biju Mathews permalink
    March 29, 2009 12:02 am

    And the comment and most of the blogspot problems stem from your own machine. Go into Tools – Internet options and delete the cookies regularly. It “might” solve the problem 🙂

  9. oorjas permalink
    March 29, 2009 1:18 am

    a thought provoking one.

    yes CONFORMITY is so powerful that it can make people do all sorts of things.

    and it is very apt at this time when elections are at the doorstep, we must not just conform and think.

    rightly said- if it is really a democratic party it will welcome our questions.

    but who is to be believed in. right wingers or the pseudosecular.. it is like choosing between the noose and the poison.. maybe the criteria is to choose the one that lets you live longer.

  10. R.K. permalink
    March 29, 2009 1:59 am

    Hello Indyeah !

    I believe that the biggest problem in a HERD is inability to critisize some acts of some members. How about this: We are supposed, and its called to respect elders around. But does that means that we should follow them without using our conscience? What is the border line between respecting and questioning, or is it defined by them ? Then what about our conscience? When we can be called reasonably adult by others to posess our own conscience? What are the factors other than age that define RIGHT ?

  11. Ordinary Guy permalink
    March 29, 2009 3:40 am

    Wow…. 🙂 you have written a brilliant article on the whole thing Indyeah….. :P….. i liked the way you connected that incident with things that are relevent to us….

    btw, have you heard about another experiment that was conducted in the US, (dont know if it is a part of this)………..
    a group of students were split into prisoners and police and the police were given all rights to treat the prisoners badly….

    The professors discontinued this experiment after 2 weeks, becoz the prisoners had suffered a high level of abuse in those 2 weeks…
    ———

    the Police were normal students and in those 2 weeks, turned into torturers
    That is what power can do… it corrupts.. and a man/women with power always more!!!

    and another thing which you have rightly pointed out is Herd mentality…..
    here in the US, thousands of stores were looted during the KAtrina diaster… because people suddenly found out that “The gov was not there” to watch over…
    ——
    and we say that USA is the lone light in the dark.

    now to the question:
    Am I secular?
    Ans: maybe I am, in my mind but I might be wrong…. 😛 LOL 😛 😛
    Jai Maharasthra…. err… I mean Jai Hind!!!!!!!! LOL

  12. Rakesh permalink
    March 29, 2009 3:46 am

    Indy awesome subject to be talking about at these times. Definitely, ppl need to introspect before following the other just because one is bad.

    But if you ask me, these days, I think there are a lot of contrarians who tend to question everything which thus prevents us from becoming a complete Mob republic (not that we are very far from it though).

    For every Varun Gandhi, there may be a mob of supporters but there is also a crowd of sensible people who choose to condemn him. But then again, when that same group which condemns Varun watches Firaaq, they do tend to see through the Director’s bias 🙂 and do not fall blindly for the other argument.

    This gives me hope 🙂

    Btw, seems to be a brilliant book. Will sure read it as soon as possible. Have just discovered reading and there seems to be a whole world that I never knew existed.

  13. manju permalink
    March 29, 2009 6:37 am

    “Were these your concerns?:)
    do take a look..”

    Something lke that! 🙂

    Indyeah, the Congress is considered to be a secular party.

    Just yesterday,the CBI submitted its final investigation report in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots case against Congress leader Jagdish Tytler.

    Tytler and Sajjan Kumar (another Congressman)are contesting these Lok Sabha elections.

    While Tytler’s case is still pending, Kumar’s acquittal in one case has been appealed against in the Delhi High Court.

    The Indian media does not bring out these issues when the Congress is concerned- that is why the Congress “is secular”.

  14. March 29, 2009 6:38 am

    hmmm .. something similar that i have put on my blog.. just a quote
    “we do not care if people attached to 84 can become ministers but then we must believe the worst thing that has ever happened to india is RSS .. anyone who raises 84 or talks something differently than the accepted norms must be an RSS or BJP person .. but thats not true …”

  15. Winnie the poohi permalink
    March 29, 2009 7:02 am

    I will change the comment setting! darn it!

    About the post.. the book is definitely on my list.. am not big on watching movies but I shall try to get it..

    @fascism.. well i think when the crowd is confused its easy to lead them. for well that means they dont have to take decision nor take responsibility.. My personal opinion is.. hitler succeeded coz no one bothered to oppose him initially..

    And in this school to start with there was already an authority figure.. “teacher” and the children were indeed confused and also i guess excited..
    So it was easy for them to conform to it..

    And germany at that time was full of confused youth.. simply hitler was present at the right time with the right words.. he gave them uthopia when they lived in bleak times.. like thakharay does with lower middle class youth in mumbai.. his target is ppl from slum coz they r easily sway-able

    Btw amazingly thought provoking post!

  16. Charakan permalink
    March 29, 2009 10:00 am

    Good post indyeah,
    Yes fascism is very much a threat to India.I won’t elaborate as you know what I mean.
    Nobody as an Individual can be dismissed as leftist,rightitst,fundamentalists etc. But their actions or words can be critisised like that.That do not mean the individual as such is attacked.When you are on left you will feel even the centrist is on the right.Same for some one on the right side of political spectrum.
    Where ever you stand be bold enough to say your thoughts aloud and allow others also to do so.
    Yes nothing should be above scrutiny in Democracy. Everything that is said should be checked for truth and then only believed.If some one say they are secular scrutinise their actions to see whether they are secular or communal.Also if some one say there is appeasement of minorities scrutinise it and then come to a conclusion.

  17. Poonam permalink
    March 29, 2009 6:16 pm

    No comments about movie for I skipped parts. WIll try to watch and come back to read.

    But I agree we can’t just dismiss BJP as communal for COngress is not as ‘secular’ either. For example, it was a Congress govt in HP that had drafted a law to stop Hindu conversions. And many otehr things. People with worse speeches than Varun have survived, Varun is just a pawn. I think it could also be BJP playing hand. YEs, nothing better could have made Varun so much famous.

    But BJP is not all black either. Things are not all black or white, they are grey.

  18. Quirky Indian permalink
    March 29, 2009 6:19 pm

    That was very interesting. Thank you for the reference.

    As Charakan says, nothing should be above scrutiny. And as Rakesh says, only asking contrarian questions can save us from becoming a banana republic.

    Unfortunately, we are all part of the herd. If one questions the integrity of Naveen Chawla, and fears for the independence of the EC as an institution, one automatically becomes a “Saffron Fanatic”. If one condemns the Mangalore incident, one becomes a “Corrupt Liberal.” We have lost the ability to rationally debate and analyse issues. There is only black or white.

    @OG: That experiment you mentioned was the Stanford Prison Experiment. conducted by Prof. Zimbardo of Stanford. The students quickly started living the roles of “guard” and “prisoner”, especially the “guards”. Their behaviour bordered on the brutal, and the experiment was terminated.

    Quirky Indian

  19. hitch writer permalink
    March 29, 2009 6:43 pm

    wHEW….

    AMAZING… i need to watch the movie… the videos or the book… I absolutely have no clue about it…

    I used to think, you a history teacher, a girl of this age, this era… interested in history… surely cant be true…

    well well…. and well…. i was wrong….

    you have unbelievable sincerity towards the topics you want to talk about or feel about… its a rare thing… I am amazed by your resourcefulness and indepth knowledge and facts to back up your views…

    there is something special in you, what ?? I dont know but there surely is something !!! I aint an expert in anything so it would be difficult for me to find out or spot it !!

    lovely post… !!!!

    this is turning out to be education for me….

    🙂 good going Abhi’di !

    Bout the comments, I aint having ne problems… newhere… blogger is a villian stopping ur commments… grr…

  20. Nitwit Nastik permalink
    March 29, 2009 7:28 pm

    Indyeah

    Excellent post. I haven’t read that book or watched that movie yet but I agree with you very much that no one should be above scrutiny and I am aware how normal people can become part of herd and turn into villains like the fascists/nazis etc overnight.

    Two small (?) examples are 1. treatment of japanese americans by other americans during 2nd world war. They were sent to concentration camps. 2. How americans started calling the FBI and snitching on brown skinned people after 9/11. Not widely reported by the american media.

    Btw, I think what ordinary guy was referring to was the experiment which was conducted in 1970 by a psychology professor at stanford university. The video is 50 mins in length

    http://www.guba.com/watch/3000048452

    Another widely known experiment was the one conducted by a school teacher named Jane eliott in 1968.You may have already seen it.

    ( From google video)

    One day in 1968, Jane Elliott, a teacher in a small, all-white Iowa town, divided her third-grade class into blue-eyed and brown-eyed groups and gave them a daring lesson in discrimination. This is the story of that lesson, its lasting impact on the children, and its enduring power thirty years later

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6189991712636113875&ei=yGPQSe6mK6DaqAPLn9j6Aw&q=jane+eliott&hl=en

    Btw, I agree with your leaving comments on other websites. I cannot leave comments on a lot of blogspot sites , including IHM's, due to the same problem. I typically use firefox for those.

  21. Pixie permalink
    March 29, 2009 9:09 pm

    Again, another Brilliant post…
    And well researched… 🙂

    I had read about some of the ideas, views before and now, most of the links are blocked here at work.. so, have I have to wait till I go home and re-read the post and the various links…
    Hopefully, will be able to watch the movies and buy the books this weekend…

  22. Corinne Rodrigues permalink
    March 29, 2009 10:40 pm

    Wow! Thanks – haven’t read the book or seen the movie – but you’ve sure got me excited to do both…
    I love the way you get your teeth into a subject you are writing about! 🙂
    Hugs
    Corinne

  23. Indyeah permalink
    March 29, 2009 11:06 pm

    Bones:- thank you:)your family too?:)
    yeah it helps in a way I suppose to have both sides in one’s family:)
    same here too many postings…

    hope you are able to get yourself registered..:)

    yeah do see the movies..quite good
    they are

    ”About our political parties – there’s nothing to differentiate because I don’t think they have an ideology as such…They want votes and they are going about it by being communal, pseudo-secular or casteist…Playing on people’s insecurities…”

    absolutely!and that is why we see the confusion among the voters of which you and I too are a part of..

    they play on our insecurities!
    one has no hesistation in threatening and killing memebers of a community and then telling anotehr community that ”see we are protecting your interests”’

    the other watches the killings calmly(coz they too have killed quite a few in their time havent they?)
    and in a cold bloodded manner and then goes to the family memebrs of the victims and consoles them and says ”yes’ yes we will take care of you”

    ###### both of them!

    ”Modi is India’s Hitler…There are some people who support him just because Sunil Mittal, Ratan Tata and Ambani said he was great…They fail to realize that Modi is great for businessmen – he’s autocratic and can get things done in a jiffy if someone wants to invest in his state…What about ordinary citizens?”

    yes this is the problem I have with anyone who defends Modi…it is all a facade …the games that Modi is playing and the image that he is trying to cultivate….

    good question…what of the ordinary citizens??:(

  24. Indyeah permalink
    March 29, 2009 11:27 pm

    Biju:-Thank youJ

    Yes the pressure to belong…it can be really intense…
    Even here on our blogs after a while we start writing to be socially acceptable..we don’t dare raise issues that might be seen as ‘communal’ which is why it is more important than ever to think with our minds and not see whether we will be acceptable to others or not..

    Fascism as opposed to democracy or liberalism is all around us and we hardly sense it and understand it. A single powerful speaker is enough to influence a thousand frustrated minds. When people do not belong to a purpose, or are unable to pass time or are morally conscious of their worth in the society a simple full of shit motivational leader comes along and bundles all of them together proclaiming that he has the answer. They are given recognition and a voice in that organization. As a big fish gets netted all the smaller ones follow. They are continuously reminded of “their” new found power and every new memeber is highlighted as an achievement.

    Brilliantly said Biju !
    In these lines you have said it all..

    A shit motivational leader!is exactly the right word!and just because a leader has a huge following is no barometer to measure whether he is right or wrong..he could be completely wrong and that is exactly what we forget!

    ‘’Varun Gandhi with his stupid speeches gained so many supporters that hundreds of his so called friends blocked roads and clashed with the police as he was arrested.’’

    Yes!exactly and the way he came all smiling and not a hint of remorse!
    Pathetic!
    As if he was some hero returning home after a battle! What nonsense!

    There might be politics being played behind NSA but I for one am happy that he is behind bars whatever the reason might be…I am sure this is a democracy and he will knock at the court’s doors…but atleast he is in for the long haul now! And that gladdens my heart like nothing else..

    HE SHOULD BE STOPPED before he spews more venom or even gets a chance to..

    look at all the morons who were running after him…”Varun Gandhi ki jai!” absolute rubbbish!

    thank a lot for that tip Biju..:) tried it the moment I read it but it still doesnt work:(

    thanks a lot though:)

  25. Indyeah permalink
    March 29, 2009 11:42 pm

    Oorja:-thank you..yes the subject itself is quite amazing…and hence thought provoking…

    Yes conformity that’s the key word…I suppose its almost inevitable to want to be a part of a group..its human instinct…but one can be a part of a group and still be an individual in ones own right..the trick is that one shouldn’t be out to please others but listen to ones own mind and what it says

    ”rightly said- if it is really a democratic party it will welcome our questions.”

    yes I really think so..only thing is there are no democratic parties left in india today…:(

    ”but who is to be believed in. right wingers or the pseudosecular.. it is like choosing between the noose and the poison.. maybe the criteria is to choose the one that lets you live longer.”

    Well:)
    Interesting way you have put it here…

    The thing is while poison might indeed kill us quickly the noose is rather painful and quite suffocating…each breath passes with a struggle..

    So to live for a little while longer but incredibly painfully or to die right now..?

    There is no long life at all..

    I say kill the ones who hold the noose and the poison:D
    ha ha! PJ I know:P

  26. Indyeah permalink
    March 29, 2009 11:48 pm

    R.K:-Hello:)

    ”I believe that the biggest problem in a HERD is inability to critisize some acts of some members.”

    But that’s the very contradiction RK..the moment we say ‘herd’ we should say bye bye to individualism and logical thinking…

    the word ‘herd’ itself indicates that there are NO out of the box thinkers left..

    Hmmm at your age I can understand this dilemna and irritation when some tell us to be respectful …however my belief is that in personal lives(I assume that’s what you are referring to) we should question anything that we feel is wrong…respect has its own place but should be discarded immediately in favour of logic and reasoning whenever the two happen to clash…

    If it is a battle between respect and logic choose the latter anyday…

    Age btw has nothing to do with it…our brains are capable of thinking and it is what we do with them that defines how reasonable and logical we are….
    Age has nothing to do with it..

  27. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:05 am

    OG:-thanks a lot:)

    yeah QI and Nitwit nastik ahve given the links and the examples..
    they were so scary to read about…horrific and real experiments:((

    ”here in the US, thousands of stores were looted during the KAtrina diaster… because people suddenly found out that “The gov was not there” to watch over…
    ——
    and we say that USA is the lone light in the dark.”

    yeah irony or what??

    we ourselves are the only light…

    LOL@”Jai Maharasthra…. err… I mean Jai Hind!!!!!!!! LOL”

    LOl!yeah Raj would have loved yoiu there for a moment:D:D
    and then dislike you in the next:D

    good one:D

  28. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:11 am

    Rakesh:-thanks:)

    yeah polls are here and we all are still as lost as ever…

    ”But if you ask me, these days, I think there are a lot of contrarians who tend to question everything which thus prevents us from becoming a complete Mob republic (not that we are very far from it though). ”

    yeah that thankfully is the beauty of this democratic chaos called India:)and this is what hopefully prevent us from going the way of so mnay failed democracies..

    thank you so much:)

    what?:)*staring*
    you have just discovered the world of books?

    :O

    welcome ye non -believer to the world of bibliophiles:D

    you remind me of my ‘I hate thick novels’ brother..the only books he reads are comics(which cant be called books really:D) and books on the army…and watches tv for the news…:D

    yeah the book is good do pick it up..:)

  29. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:16 am

    Manju:- thank you:)I rather thought so..

    yes the congress is not secular by a long shot…and funny you should mention tytler and sajjan kumar because I have written about them and only them …its lying as a draft…

    the Indian media is not even fit to be called a fourth estate in some instances and really does not deserve the privileges accorded to the fourth estate in quite a few news reports…

    however they are just like our political parties..take em or leave em…so we are kind of stuck with what we have…:((

    I agree with your points mentioned here…

  30. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:19 am

    UI:-will come over and see the link in a bit..

    ”we do not care if people attached to 84 can become ministers but then we must believe the worst thing that has ever happened to india is RSS .. anyone who raises 84 or talks something differently than the accepted norms must be an RSS or BJP person .. but thats not true …”

    yes exactly which is why it is necessary to present both sides without biases(or atleast as less bias as we can manage because all of us are biased in some way or the other)

    Congress ugh!dont even get me started on them…will be doing a post in a few days..

    and yes RSS needs to be highlighted but not by being portrayed as the ONLY villain..there are other bigger villains in the picture and they ALL need to be highlighted equally…

  31. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:31 am

    Winnie:-aww…:)lOL?darn it:D
    (((hugs))
    I will come over and read the older ones too:))

    ”fascism.. well i think when the crowd is confused its easy to lead them. for well that means they dont have to take decision nor take responsibility.. My personal opinion is.. hitler succeeded coz no one bothered to oppose him initially..”

    yes when the crwd is confused and already all set to boil over at the slightest provocation…(like the wounded german pride during Hitler’s time)

    Hitler was quite clever when one reads about him Winnie…the reason no one opposed him was precisely because of the fact that he was so cunning…he didnt put all his cards on the table.

    .he first provoked people by harping on wounded german pride and how he and they should take revenge…it was only later that the aryan theory and the cruelty came into the picture…only after he came into power..,by then it was too late…

    ”like thakharay does with lower middle class youth in mumbai.. his target is ppl from slum coz they r easily sway-able ”
    great observation Winnie!yeah that is exactly the problem…

    the thing about schools is that yes the young minds are quite impressionable and malleable…and also teacher as authority figures exist in every school..they are the basis of any school…so yes they have to be responsible…

    what horrified people was that this went on right under the noses of everyone else and noone got so much as a whiff(do read the reactions of the students when they ended the experiment)
    and also these were children who were 15 or 16 and quite convince taht they were democratic and that nazism could never rise again…and yet they became a part of it…

    imagine the same kids (even in India )voting in 2 or 3 years…

    individualism was missing…

  32. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:40 am

    Charakan:-thanks

    fascism ..yes It is a threat for any democracy in the world…

    and in India tehre are quite a few fascisst forces present…if you are referring to the RSS or the Sangh or now Varun gandhi then ofcourse you are right and anyone would agree…

    my otehr point however was about the slavish mentality that Indians seem to suffer from…the way we foolow anyone blindly even if they have no credentials to speak of

    which is why I see this Nehru-gandhi dynasty as equally dangerous…not in terms o fdeath and immediate hate but in terms of the way they simply ‘assume’ they have a right to rule and the way we let them assume such absurdities…

    it is scary to say the least…

    When you are on left you will feel even the centrist is on the right.Same for some one on the right side of political spectrum.
    Where ever you stand be bold enough to say your thoughts aloud and allow others also to do so.

    absolutely!
    I agree and that is why I get very suspicious when I see selctive criticism from any quarters…becasue I belive that anyone who is geuinely concerned about india will apply the same standard to all parties and not just the immediate threats…the immediate threats are clearly visible to any sane person but what baout the hidden threats that are more much more dangerous because they do not lift a hand not one hand to stop the mayhem!!
    and never have as history is witness!

    the last person who used to raise his voice dies saying hey ram…since then we have been a witness to hypocrites…

    ”If some one say they are secular scrutinise their actions to see whether they are secular or communal.Also if some one say there is appeasement of minorities scrutinise it and then come to a conclusion.”

    absolutely I agree which is why I will unflinchingly call it appeasement and nothing less when I eventually write about it…

    for, what else is reservation but appeasement on the basis of caste and religion???

    how much more divisive can we get???
    and then we blame only those who seek to reap profits out of this divisiveness!
    what a joke!

    India is a deeply divided society and for all my praise of India and its positives I am very much aware of the fact …

  33. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:42 am

    Poonam:-yeah do that:)I am sure you will like it:)

    ”But I agree we can’t just dismiss BJP as communal for COngress is not as ‘secular’ either. For example, it was a Congress govt in HP that had drafted a law to stop Hindu conversions. And many otehr things. People with worse speeches than Varun have survived, Varun is just a pawn. I think it could also be BJP playing hand. YEs, nothing better could have made Varun so much famous.

    But BJP is not all black either. Things are not all black or white, they are grey.”

    your brilliant and insightful comment says it all..

    I dont need to add a word here:)

  34. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:44 am

    Quirky Indian:-thank you:)

    ”Unfortunately, we are all part of the herd. If one questions the integrity of Naveen Chawla, and fears for the independence of the EC as an institution, one automatically becomes a “Saffron Fanatic”. If one condemns the Mangalore incident, one becomes a “Corrupt Liberal.” We have lost the ability to rationally debate and analyse issues. There is only black or white. ”

    Anotehr amazing comment:)
    I am amazed whenever I read the comment box more than anything else…most of the time the comments say more than I ever am able to in the post:)

    and the NAveen Chawala example is a great one and one that had been preying on my mind..

    thank you for sharing that information

  35. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:47 am

    Dhiren:-awww…thank you so much for all your words Dhiren:))

    *dancing*
    aww..thanks:))

    do pick up the book and try to see the movies:)) you will like them I am sure

    LOL@blogger is the villain..I loved that beer 55er :)and so wanted to comment but couldnt:((

    thank you so much again for those generous generous words:)))thank you:)

  36. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:50 am

    Nitwit nastik:-welcome here:)
    and thank you:)

    ”Two small (?) examples are 1. treatment of japanese americans by other americans during 2nd world war. They were sent to concentration camps. 2. How americans started calling the FBI and snitching on brown skinned people after 9/11. Not widely reported by the american media.”

    yes and great examples..
    and the US of A…like OG too said about katrina (in another context) ironical or what?

    thank you for sharing those links..I knew about the experiments but didnt know about the video

    will watch it now…and thanks for that tip:)
    will try it now:)

  37. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:52 am

    Pixie:-thank you:)
    yes do go through the links..its interesting and as others have said too quite thought provoking…I barely knew about the third wave properly just had a vague idea…
    do pick up the book and the movies…

    Corrine:-thank you so much:)
    I am sure you will like them a lot:)
    (((hugs))

  38. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 12:58 am

    Everyone please ignore the typos and the ermmm tenses and err spellings and…okay you get the picture:D

  39. Rakesh permalink
    March 30, 2009 1:38 am

    No Indy, how can we ignore typos and tenses and spellings… especially coming from a teacher!!!

    Delhi kids are doomed I tell you 😛

  40. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 1:58 am

    Rakesh:-LOL!
    this teacher is still in the learning stage:PP

  41. Ordinary Guy permalink
    March 30, 2009 3:34 am

    hey Thanks QI for the link…. 🙂
    and yes Indyeah, Raj will never like me…. :)as he believes in “lungi hatao, pungi bajao”….:) LOL….

  42. Smitha permalink
    March 30, 2009 5:06 am

    @Indyeah, Could not comment earlier! Read this, and then re-read it and loved it! Your post is so so amazing..Wanted to take my time and comment.

    ‘The moment you start to conform whether you are a right winger or a so called liberal, you face the danger of turning into an automaton…whatever it is that your beliefs are, you first need to think as a human being. One who has been given the brains to do so.’ So true!

    You are so right, that we as soon as we stop scrutinizing, we can lose objectivity.
    ‘And remember there are NO individuals with impeccable credentials who cannot be questioned, no institutions which are totally secular and not open to questioning, nothing in a democracy is above questioning.’

    And also, have you ever come acros individuals, who claim that they are ‘tolerant and peace loving’ but absolutely refuse to accept another point of view – I find it very difficult to accept somebody’s credential of being ‘tolerant’ when they are not even open to other views… You are so right when you say that we need to keep questionning..

    Have to read the book and watch the movie!

  43. Solilo permalink
    March 30, 2009 6:04 am

    Just finished the post and comments. A brilliant post and parallels drawn.

    I haven’t seen the movie but on discussion about fundamentalist and secular, I am perplexed many times when people consider one party fanatic whereas other gets branded as lesser evil. How does one measure evilness? How does a party gets clean chit even after 1984 whereas the other is constantly under scrutiny? And then we wonder how and why many Hindus support BJP. This is why. The hypocrisy with which one party’s ideologies, corruption and criminal candidates are swept under the carpet whereas every single move of other party comes under radar.

    Now coming to Kerala politcs, UDF is siding with Muslim league and LDF is forming as alliance with PDP’s Madhani (an accused in Tamilnadu bombblasts who has connections with terrorists). Will these parties be accused for being fundamentalists? Why is it okay to get support from one religion based party whereas other parties are accused of fanaticism? Both UDF and LDF are trying to prove that their alliance supports minority cause.

    The forced pseudo-secularism is one reason why many support BJP. If one writes well then one should have the guts to openly come out and write unbiased views instead of trying to don fake secularism.

    An unbiased view would let people see everything in a wider spectrum. You force something on people and you alienate them. It applies to both minority and majority.

    Abhi, did I stay in the topic or got swayed. :)):))

  44. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 7:05 am

    OG:-*furious*you tell me and the whole gang here
    we will pungi bajao whoever says this

    and then we will break a few body parts…

    Who is more Indian than you?:)

  45. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 7:10 am

    Smitha:-aww..thank you so much:)

    ”You are so right, that we as soon as we stop scrutinizing, we can lose objectivity. ”
    Exactly Smitha!

    And also, have you ever come acros individuals, who claim that they are ‘tolerant and peace loving’ but absolutely refuse to accept another point of view – I find it very difficult to accept somebody’s credential of being ‘tolerant’ when they are not even open to other views… You are so right when you say that we need to keep questionning..

    this is exactly what the point is…I have made so many staunch supporters of the Congress/BJP/any other party that they refuse to even accept that there are faults and instead start pointing fingers at other parties..

    they refuse to look at their party in isolation…

    and such individuals are like mushrooms…to be found everywhere 😀

    do read the book and catch the movies..I am sure you will like them…

  46. Indyeah permalink
    March 30, 2009 7:23 am

    Solilo:-(((hugs)))

    thank you:))

    ”on discussion about fundamentalist and secular, I am perplexed many times when people consider one party fanatic whereas other gets branded as lesser evil. How does one measure evilness? How does a party gets clean chit even after 1984 whereas the other is constantly under scrutiny? And then we wonder how and why many Hindus support BJP. This is why. The hypocrisy with which one party’s ideologies, corruption and criminal candidates are swept under the carpet whereas every single move of other party comes under radar.”

    This is what is called hypocrisy! India is secular but only selectively!what a joke!

    trust you to say it as it is!

    I didnnt know all that about Kerala politics thanks for sharing…amazing ..I can just shake my head at it all…

    ”The forced pseudo-secularism is one reason why many support BJP. If one writes well then one should have the guts to openly come out and write unbiased views instead of trying to don fake secularism.

    An unbiased view would let people see everything in a wider spectrum. You force something on people and you alienate them. It applies to both minority and majority. ”

    Brilliant!

    no you didnt get swayed 😀 yu drew exactly the right parallel 😀

    the obvious threats all of us can see..what about the hidden agendas?

    This is what the ‘thinking’ individuals forget:)

    brilliant input!:))
    ((hugs))

  47. Charakan permalink
    March 30, 2009 8:07 am

    Indyeah, you said
    “for, what else is reservation but appeasement on the basis of caste and religion???

    how much more divisive can we get???”
    Many in India think differently. They feel Resrvations actually reduce the deep socio economic division in Indian Society. So there are different point of views.All opinions should be heard and debated.Most often we will have to agree to disagree.That is natural.We cannot ask a person to think like us. We can attack the words and the ideology behind it as strongly as you can with words.No need to take it as a personal attack.We can have healthy debates and also healthy friendships.

  48. Winnie the poohi permalink
    March 30, 2009 8:15 am

    I do agree individualism is missing coz there is security in numbers..

    Besides individualism is at best snubbed in schools (personal bad experience)

    Most of the teachers sadly work coz they didnt get anything better or may be coz its convenient. Its rare to find someone who really want to teach.. not that such ppl dont exist.. they do have the luck to have had such teachers too.. but in general its not true..

    And hence school is not about education but about umm getting marks thats all!! that too by parroting a set of answers!

    I think same thing is repeated at home.. one cant really think or act independently.. how dare you go against the norms?
    etc etc..

  49. Solilo permalink
    March 30, 2009 8:44 am

    Oh god! just read my comment. So many typos. Sometimes when I write comments esp. on such subjects I keep going without checking what I wrote :D:D:D

    Pardon moi..Ha..ha..a

    This White bg is easy on eyes and easier to read your posts, Abhi but I miss Black bg. Is there a way you can keep Black bg but have a broad blog theme?

    I know I am wicked but Black bg with Indyeah looking the other way as avatar is so Indyeah-ish.

  50. vishesh permalink
    March 30, 2009 5:54 pm

    ha ha

    P.S: I didn’t read the entire post 😛

  51. Solilo permalink
    March 30, 2009 6:43 pm

    That Punky mood fits you perfectly. You naughty bachcha…:)):))

  52. rahul permalink
    March 30, 2009 8:03 pm

    I agree there are no black or whites anywhere..there is always some bad in good and vice-versa!!!

  53. sindhu permalink
    March 30, 2009 8:29 pm

    Wow, I am speechless, Indyeah…coming here for the first time and am floored.Actually shocked to read about Third Wave…Thank you for such informative posts!

  54. Chirag permalink
    March 30, 2009 8:50 pm

    @We ARE the villains. For, where else do they come from? – LOL , I will ingnore the next line We are also the heroes as most of us never strive to be one.

    The moment you start to conform whether you are a right winger or a so called liberal, you face the danger of turning into an automaton…whatever it is that your beliefs are, you first need to think as a human being. One who has been given the brains to do so.

    Indyeah again, let me watch the movie and come back. But, I do believe by reading the post and agree with you.

    Don’t seek the truth – just drop your opinions.

  55. nitesh permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:09 am

    After reading the post. I need to hunt down and see the film.

  56. Indyeah permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:27 am

    Charakan:-
    :)”So there are different point of views.All opinions should be heard and debated.Most often we will have to agree to disagree.That is natural.We cannot ask a person to think like us. We can attack the words and the ideology behind it as strongly as you can with words.No need to take it as a personal attack.We can have healthy debates and also healthy friendships.”

    absolutely!one can agree to disagree:)

    there is always a line which defines the personal from the otehr in a debate or any other place and its a pretty fine line…that not everyone is able to walk.

    .most of the time I see ad hominem argument being used..that is when I see red..:)otherwise I am okay with any debate:)
    so yes we can have debates and yet be able to see the other viewpoint all the time holding our own:)

    will do a post on reservation sometime later:)

  57. Indyeah permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:33 am

    Winnie:-”Besides individualism is at best snubbed in schools (personal bad experience)

    oh!(((Hugs))dont ya worry:)now you know you are unique:))

    ”Most of the teachers sadly work coz they didnt get anything better or may be coz its convenient. Its rare to find someone who really want to teach.. not that such ppl dont exist.. they do have the luck to have had such teachers too.. but in general its not true..”

    yeah thats very true:((

    ”And hence school is not about education but about umm getting marks thats all!! that too by parroting a set of answers!

    I think same thing is repeated at home.. one cant really think or act independently.. how dare you go against the norms?
    etc etc.”

    true true all of it..
    but one has to rise despite all of that,despite all the hardships all the opposing voices and listen to ones own heart:))
    like you do:))

    (((hugs)))

  58. Indyeah permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:43 am

    Solilo:*glaring at Solilo*

    what???I changed it back to black you wicked woman!:PPI changed it to white coz you liked it,then you didnt so I changed it back*sigh*the things we do for friends:PPP

    I am working on you know what!:D
    so will stop worrying about this one now:D

    I know I am wicked but Black bg with Indyeah looking the other way as avatar is so Indyeah-ish.

    awww..(((Hugs)))and just like that Solilo and Abhi are back to being best pals:D

  59. Indyeah permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:44 am

    Vishesh:-:PP
    *glares*why not?:PP

    😀

    SOlilo:-(((Hugs))I stole it:PP

    muahh!

  60. Indyeah permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:46 am

    Rahul:-yeah thats true:)
    this is what we tend to forget ,even me:)

    Sindhu:-aww..thank you so much:)welcome here:))
    will hop over to yours now:)

    do read the book and see the movies:)

  61. Indyeah permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:48 am

    Chirag:-:PP(sorry I am suffering fromthe epidemic called OGitis:D)

    yeah true:)and I am sure knowing you(coz you are my crazy young bro who is obsessed with torrents:D)
    you will probably see it in a day or two:D

    Don’t seek the truth – just drop your opinions.

    wah kya line hai!:D
    seriously!
    this is so true and yet so hard to do for most of us…

  62. Indyeah permalink
    March 31, 2009 9:51 am

    Nitesh:-welcome here:)yeah do see it:)its interesting:)actually I was thinking more from the point of view of my students thats why I found it so powerful for teenagers…

  63. Chirag Chamoli permalink
    March 31, 2009 7:14 pm

    Dude, awesome you migrated already 🙂

  64. indyeahforever permalink*
    March 31, 2009 8:05 pm

    Yay!! 😀 I did !love this new blog:D
    thanks to you and your ‘its really simple really simple :Dand SOlilo’s tutorials 😀
    Solilo muahh!

    • Chirag Chamoli permalink
      April 1, 2009 1:53 am

      Also, shall I rework on the design?

      • Indyeahforever permalink*
        April 1, 2009 3:10 am

        awww….dude are you for real? 😀
        I mean really.. 😀
        yeah sure 😀 neki aur pooch pooch 😀

        thank you 😛
        though you dislike it 😛 😀

        • Chirag Chamoli permalink
          April 1, 2009 8:29 pm

          Will email you.

          • Indyeahforever permalink*
            April 1, 2009 8:49 pm

            Okay 😀
            yayyy!!I am excited 😀

  65. April 1, 2009 5:46 am

    Brilliant would be cliched . So just picture me bowing before you . Yes, it is a grey zone . And yes, being a BJP or a Congress supporter does not make a fundamentalist or a secularist out of you . I have always felt the 2 major parties are no different from each other, their methods may vary , but their goal is the same . I want to align myself with the interests of the nation, not to any political party or agenda. If political power was God, then the BJP and Congress , including the scores of other political parties , would be the different religions ; rallying amongst themselves to fight against the rest, while professing their ideology is the best or the truest, and pitting the “Janta” against each other, creating a mess, and unrest . That was almost a poem . 🙂

    • Indyeahforever permalink*
      April 1, 2009 7:22 am

      Oh man!! that is some high praise! thanks a ton Kislay 🙂
      yeah exactly right!

      ”I want to align myself with the interests of the nation, not to any political party or agenda. If political power was God, then the BJP and Congress , including the scores of other political parties , would be the different religions ; rallying amongst themselves to fight against the rest, while professing their ideology is the best or the truest, and pitting the “Janta” against each other, creating a mess, and unrest ”

      Brillinat!It IS a poem!awesome and so true..count me in too as one who hates any alignment..we are part of NAM 😀

  66. Tessa permalink
    April 1, 2009 7:09 pm

    I recently came accross your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don’t know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.

    Ruth

    http://besttoddler.com

  67. April 1, 2009 8:46 pm

    Yes I should and also the movie Firag, I haven’t seen it and am saving your blog to read after I see it. But such powerful thread of thoughts, MAN, am I happy, I am blogging!

    • Indyeahforever permalink*
      April 1, 2009 8:59 pm

      Thanks a lot Sindhu 🙂
      See thats the beauty of blogging isnt it? you and I might have completely diff opinions and yet we can interact and bounce off ideas off each other 😀
      I love blogging too 🙂
      (((Hugs))

  68. February 16, 2011 11:44 pm

    Excellent article Indyeah – very thoughtful and some great points.

    This is a small planet, and we all need to learn to get along in peace – live and let live.

    It may interest you that the original Wave students and their teacher are in a new film documentary called “Lesson Plan”, where they tell the story of what happened in that classroom in California in 1967. The home page is http://www.lessonplanmovie.com

    Best wishes,
    Mark

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