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Balm for the soul….

May 3, 2009

Thank you Solilo for the idea behind this post : D

((hugs)))

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Religion is a word that is much disputed these days..or maybe it always was as fiercely disputed. Maybe its only each generation that seems convinced that the previous generation had it best. That ‘they’ lived in relatively calmer, more peaceful times than ‘us’.

Whatever the thoughts may be, one thing is for certain. Religionย  is not and never has beenย  an easy thing to define .

I have not been religious in my life nor has my family ever been so.

I understand that some might snigger at this and say that proclaiming non-religiousness(is there such a word?) has become a deplorable fashion these days.

But I mean it.

When I say we have not been religious in the traditional sense of the word I mean that I have never seen my parents visiting temples . I have never seen or heard bhajans being sung in the mornings. Or any other rituals being performed. I am not being judgemental or saying that this was a good situation to be in. All I am saying is , that this just was. Not good or bad but simply how I and my brothers have grown up.

We were never told that there was a god or any other supreme being out there and we had to do certain things in order to be ‘good’.

No, that was not the way of my parents and still is not.

Rather we were under the impression that this God or Bhagwaanji as we called him/her was someone who had to be given respect as any other uncle and aunty that we knew ๐Ÿ˜€

We had and still have a puja ghar but our god did not have a name or a face. For, my parents crammed any and every god or goddess that they came across in that tiny puja ghar. The reason we had a puja ghar at all was because relatives who came to our home had no place to do their morning puja. And so mom made a puja ghar for them. Slowly she also started doing her puja there but only on certain days of the year.Diwali, Janmashtmi and a few more days.

So we had a statue of Thakur Ji or Laddu Gopal alongwith a picture of Vaishno Devi jostling for space alongside a picture of Lord Buddha( dad found it serene and picked it up on one of his trips), a beautiful , beautiful framed picture of Lord Venkateshwara (requested by mom from one friend of hers from Tamilnadu), a picture of Jesus (gifted by another family friend)ย , a statue of Lord Hanuman( which as one lady told mom ‘was not to be worshipped by ladies He was a bachelor god after all ) ๐Ÿ˜€ , then there were also beautiful green tinsel garlands with the crescent and the star gifted to Dad by the villagers of Kupwara (in J&K) because they thought he had become family and cried when he had to leave.

Not to mention the number of places that we visited. From Gurudwara Pathar Sahib in Leh to the Buddhist Gompas there. The Hemis gompa comes to mind,ย the prayer wheels, the prayer flags fluttering in the wind.The unit mandirs and gurudwaras were regular haunts. As were the churches and the masjids .The masjids if only from outside for me because ladies were not allowed. The dargahs in Delhi…so many that I have lost count.

It could be this religion or that. This particular place of worship or any other. This soothing bhajan or that beautiful sufi song. It doesnt matter what its affiliations are , as long as it gives one peace and soothes a restless soul .And those who attain this peace anywhere, be it in one quiet corner of a busy workplace…that place right there becomes your very own place of worship.
For, peace is the objective is it not? ๐Ÿ™‚
Worship not to any particular god but to one’s own idea of what or who that power could be.

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Picture courtesy WIKIPEDIA
Religious symbols from the top nine organised faiths of the world according to Major world religions
From left to right:
1st Row: Christian Cross, Jewish Star of David, Hindu Aumkar
2nd Row: Islamic Star and crescent, Buddhist Wheel of Dharma, Shinto Torii
3rd Row: Sikh Khanda, Bahรก’รญ star, Jain Ahimsa Symbol

A few days back I read this post of Solilo’s and was transported back to some beautiful days. (Thank you Solilo ๐Ÿ™‚ ) Days when mornings were spent sitting quietly in the garden listening to the chirping of the birds, the soft morning breeze caressing our faces, the trees swaying gently , walking on the dew soaked grass barefoot…

Heaven was this. ๐Ÿ™‚

After listening to M. S Subbulakshmi’s divine rendition of Venkateshawara Suprabhatam(thanks to Dear Solilo ๐Ÿ™‚ )ย I knew I had to share some more music ๐Ÿ™‚

Music that’s balm for the soul. No matter whom it is addressed to. Or which faith it belongs to. For, as they say musicย is a universal language. It transcends borders, faiths, nationalities…. And so it does.

Stressbuster- Suprabhatam

Suprabhatam is what the video is called though the uploader has clarified and says that this is Thodakashtakam


I liked this version of Suprabhatam too though it might horrifyย  the ones who abhorr any dilution of classical music ๐Ÿ™‚

Bhaja Govindam-M.S Subbulakshmi

This is something I have been listening to since I was a lil kid because of mom and dad who all but sang paeans to M.S ๐Ÿ™‚

Shabad Gurbani sung by Sukhwinder from the movie Halla Bol

This one is beautiful, peaceful …..infuses one with a feeling of tranquility. Sung beautifully by Sukhwinder.

Harivarsanam-K.J Yesudas

I loved this one. It is so soothing.

Jai Deva Jai deva

This one I absolutely love because it seems so powerful. The thought ofย  which god is theย  prayer being offered to comes later, one is first mesmerised by the beats and the power of the words. The lyrics later are in marathi and I know them by heart by now. This is what music does. Makes one appreciative of another language, another culture even before one realises one is doing so. I learnt a little marathi and noone had to force me ๐Ÿ™‚

Ik Onkar Karta Purakh

This one I think everyone knows by heart by now. ๐Ÿ™‚ See? The power ofย cinema as a medium?ย  ๐Ÿ™‚

Lata Mangeshkar sings the gurbani. ๐Ÿ™‚

Venkateshwara Suprabhatam

M.S ๐Ÿ™‚ The Legend.

Gurubani By Jagjit Singh

Hey Ram Hey ram -Jagjit Singh

Hey Govind Hey Gopal-Jagjit Singh

Man Kunto maula-Zila Khan

Besides this version of Man Kunto MAula there is another beautiful version by Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali khan here.

Om jai Jagdish

And Om Jai Jagdish Hare, an eternal favourite not because of the plea to god but because this aarti has special memories simply because of the childhood associations ๐Ÿ™‚ The prasad the panditji gave us at the army unit mandirs ๐Ÿ˜€

The way the charnamrit was looked at greedily by 8 year olds ๐Ÿ˜€

And if I had to pick up one version it had to be the one from the movie Purab Aur Pashchim simply because noone sang it better thanย Mahendra Kapoorย ๐Ÿ™‚

Buddha Bar…really soothing..

Buddhist Chants

Piya Haji Ali

And then some sufi songs (even if the purists think that this too has been tampered with)

The lyrics of these songs say it all…..

Khwaja mere khwaja

Ha raham ha raham -Mehfuz(movie Aamir)

Arziyan(Dilli6)

There are a lot of such songs/bhajans/aartis/prayers……The plea is made fervently to different gods and goddesses.

Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Christian , Sikh or any other. The prayers are the same. So are the wishes that are being made.

A happy life free from trouble, a world without strife. A roof over one’s head , meals to fill one’s stomach, a future that is secure for one’s children.

Isn’t life made up of just this?

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ayaM nijaH paroveti gaNanA laghu-chetasAM
udAra charitAnAM tu vasudhaiva kuTumbhakaM ||
{โ€™This is my own and that a strangerโ€™ โ€“ is the calculation of the narrow-minded
For the magnanimous-hearts however, the entire earth is but a family}

If the world is one family, why do its members fight so much among themselves?

Edited to add:- The links are underneath the videos and the names are being given here for Suda and Rashmiย  and for anyone else who is unable to view the videos

The names of all the songs/music/aartis

1. Indian Classical Music-Suprabhatam Stressbuster

2.Bhaja Govindam- M.S Subbulakshmi

3.Shabad Gurbani-Sukhwinder(from the movie Halla Bol)

4.Harivarsanam-K.J Yesudas

5.Jai Dev Jai Dev (ganesh Aarti from the Movie Vaastav)

6.Ik Onkar Satnam Kartapurakh ( version from the movie Rang De Basanti)

7.Rare!Lata MAngeshkar sings the Gurbani

8.Sri Venkateshwara Suprabhatam-complete Song(sung by M . S Subbulakshmi)

9.Gurubani-by Jagjit Singh-1

10.Hey Ram HEy Ram-Jagjit Singh

11.Hey Govind Hey Gopal-Jagjit Singh

12.Man Kunto Maula-Zila Khan

13.Purab Aur Paschim-Om jai Jagdish

14.Buddha Bar

15.Buddhist Chant-Heart Sutra(mandarin)

16.A.R rehman-Piya Haji Ali

17.Khwaja mere khwaja-Jodha Akbar

18.Ha raham-(Mehfuz ) Aamir video

19.Arziya-Dilli6 by Aarjay full song

Hope that does it Sudaย  ๐Ÿ˜€

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  1. May 3, 2009 2:58 pm

    Wah! You have put up a virtual library here! One has heard most of them and they all transport you, for fleeting moments at least, into the world beyond, to another plane that is both within and without.

    Whenever I see such beautiful feelings of love, of the unity of religions, of the belief that the world is one family, Vasudev Kutumbakam, I am filled with hope and a positive energy.

    Then the reality of a couple of thousand years hits. And hard.

    Other than religions that have originated from India, the belief is that ours alone is the true religion, ours alone the true God. Rare exceptions apart, those who follow these religions will never be found doing and saying what you have. There is simply no space for any “false” Gods at all. This is what has led to man doing the worst and cruelest thins possible to man in the name of his God. Yes, the world has civilised to some extent and become more tolerant as it has moved away from the chains of religion. But there are parts still, where living glimpses of what of the past are still on display.

    Is this all-encompassing, all-believing , all-accepting, all-absorbing outlook reflective of the strength of India’s indigenous religions or does it betray a lack of understanding, a weakness to respond intellectually, morally and physically to those who hold almost exactly opposite views?

    I, for one, share your views fully and believe in the Gods of all religions. But somewhere, I think, we have forgotten that Gods and their followers are not one and the same thing. But we somewhat dishonestly mix them all the time. That is perhaps a societal, a cultural weakness that needs to be addressed and faced squarely. You can’t deal, for example, deal with a flogging, jizya imposing mindset with this approach. It did not work for centuries earlier; it will not work now too.

    • May 4, 2009 11:28 am

      thank you ๐Ÿ™‚
      they all transport you, for fleeting moments at least, into the world beyond, to another plane that is both within and without.

      yes they do for sure:) you have put it beautifully ๐Ÿ™‚
      these songs/tune/music/aarti/bhajans give solace in trying times and soothe the heart on other days….

      Other than religions that have originated from India, the belief is that ours alone is the true religion, ours alone the true God
      I agree…this again might sound too superior(?)or something…but yes I agree that religions that have originated here have a more broad outlook as far as the us and them is concerned…one is not forced into accepting any gods…one also has the option of being an agnostic or an atheist and all within the religion!
      I agree that religions where the emphasis is one ‘one god or rather my god or no god die you heathen! is not my kind of outlook on life…and yes traces of barbarism in all religions do exist today too
      be it Hinduism or Islam more prominently these days or any otehr…even Christianity…

      the thing that disturbs me Vinod sir is that a handful of lunatics have hijacked Hinduism a religion that has always ben known for its peaceful nature and its all encompassing nature and has been turned into an agenda..a political one…where gods are being depicted not as gentle souls but as military men all ready for war.,…witness the transformation of Ram from a gentle god into a muscular military god bow in hand , striding ahead about to strike….
      I couldnt care less about certain otehr religions because the moment I open my mouth I am branded a dozen names….but when it comes to Hinduism I am worried as hell…and I refuse to allow idiots to hijack my religion…or my faith as I have known it for so long…
      it is precisely because I am a Hindu that I could write this post without any doubts…for my faith gives me freedom to criticise it , pour scorn over it and does not stop me from accepting other faiths….which other faith will allow this?

      you have put it aptly ..Gods and their followers are not one and the same thing…the followers these days (and maybe always?)are a bunch of morons…the genuine followers of any religion have been sidelined in this drama.

      But we somewhat dishonestly mix them all the time. That is perhaps a societal, a cultural weakness that needs to be addressed and faced squarely. You can’t deal, for example, deal with a flogging, jizya imposing mindset with this approach. It did not work for centuries earlier; it will not work now too.
      I agree completely ..sadly in India atleast and I think the world too …peopel would rather bury their heads in the sand rather than face the truth….

      Is this all-encompassing, all-believing , all-accepting, all-absorbing outlook reflective of the strength of India’s indigenous religions or does it betray a lack of understanding, a weakness to respond intellectually, morally and physically to those who hold almost exactly opposite views?

      I would rather believe that it is the all accepting nature of India …which for centuries had been just like this…that is what has sustained us for so long.. and allowed us to survive….I think as long as India was ready to accept and absorb all theese influences and made them her own she was going on the right path…it is now that the trouble has started…when some loonies have hijacked this most peaceful religion of all..a religion that as Manju says so rightly is not just a religion but a way of life…it is when some people have strated using it to create tension and divide in society that the trouble has strarted…

      I dont think Hinduism is in any danger than it was in the past…..but yes, questions do need to be asked of other religions and faiths…and their refusal to answer certain questions…instead os being merely contesnt as they are to take the extra sops that are being ladled out to them…

      Hinduism the moment it is out of the clutches of morons like the PCC uncle ๐Ÿ˜€ and the others..will be back to being what it always has been…a way of life…(thanks Manju ๐Ÿ™‚ )

      • May 5, 2009 8:26 pm

        “witness the transformation of Ram from a gentle god into a muscular military god bow in hand , striding ahead about to strike”

        But wasn’t Ram a warrior , a Kshatriya ? So why does portraying him with a bow in his hand , and brawn on his body , wrong ? I actually love that fierce warrior like pose . But I must also add, if that image is used to incite senseless violence, then it is wrong .

        me-yes true Kislay..Ram was a Kshatriya by birth…he was a warrior..but even though he has been portrayed with bow in hand since ages…the brawn and the military… almost soldier like bearing have come in lately…it is a worrying trend…or maybe I am reading too much into it…
        but do notice the difference in the pics below…
        actually I was also searching for the pic on Ram Janmbhoomi where Ram is showing striding forward as a warrior and the BG is the model of RAm mandir…but couldnt find it..its a very popular poster these days…
        subtle changes in the psyche creep in ..in just this manner….thats why I find it worrisome…see even earlier ram was portrayed with weapons…or atleast a bow but the demeanour was calm and gentle….very calm aura seemed to surround him…whereas I find the pic below(just one example among many) as very comic bookish..adventure/superhero-ish….and perhaps most of all very martial in its stance
        http://tinyurl.com/d4xmua

        there is a difference between the pic above and the ones below….

        http://tinyurl.com/dbl47n

        http://tinyurl.com/cz7t85

  2. sraboneyghose permalink
    May 3, 2009 4:38 pm

    “A happy life free from trouble, a world without strife. A roof over oneโ€™s head , meals to fill oneโ€™s stomach, a future that is secure for oneโ€™s children.” – This should be our religion

    me-I agree Sraboney..for so many in the world it is..and yet they are outnumbered by the lunatics ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    • May 4, 2009 11:31 am

      I agree… !

    • Mystery permalink
      May 4, 2009 2:46 pm

      beautifully said
      me- ๐Ÿ™‚

    • May 5, 2009 2:17 pm

      I like these words Sraboney. And totally agree with them.

      me-thanks IHM ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Badz permalink
      May 5, 2009 8:49 pm

      A nice way of putting it. ๐Ÿ™‚
      me- ๐Ÿ™‚

    • May 11, 2009 2:07 pm

      Indeed the very words from this post, Indyeah, that I too loved, for it speaks, very very simply, and in sucha a heartfelt manner, what religion should be, and is actually, except that it has been pulled and stretched and tainted beyond recognition by some of us ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

      me- thanks Ushus ๐Ÿ™‚
      ((hugs)) religion does have very sinister connotations now doesnt it? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
      in some parts of the world ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  3. May 3, 2009 4:46 pm

    brilliant brilliant post indyeah…

    love each of the bhajans now will go back and hear everything one by one

    god bless

    me-thanks Monika ๐Ÿ™‚ do listen you will love them I am sure , irrespective of language..I didnt understand some of the words but still loved them ๐Ÿ™‚

  4. May 3, 2009 5:41 pm

    Amazing Indyeah!! Loved this post.

    This is exactly how we grew up. I could be reading about my own childhood!!! And touch wood, it has done no harm to any of us, we have thrived on these values – a whole lot of us cousins and their kids, and their spouses’ families.
    Hats off to our parents! They have raised us well. (if I say so myself)… this is something I am really proud of.

    me- I agree IHM *touchwood*it certainly has not done any harm to us :)yeah hats off to our parents! ๐Ÿ™‚ now I realise how lucky I have been to have grown up like this.. ๐Ÿ™‚
    I am proud too IHM ๐Ÿ™‚
    thanks loved your words:)
    words like these make me think that with so many people like us around(modesty is not my virtue ๐Ÿ˜€ ) the world will be a better place ๐Ÿ˜€

  5. May 3, 2009 6:14 pm

    Yeah Indy, am surprised how common our beliefs are about God and religion… To be respected just like any other Uncle or Aunty.

    We have a small temple in our house and even we perform a Puja there on almost all festivals… and recently I’ve started saying a quick prayer “Ek Omkar” every morning… But not to mean, I believe in my God and disbelieve in others.

    And these songs – truly heaven, especially in the mornings when they used to play in the neighborhood or at home at low volume with sparrows chirping or cuckoos cooing – indeed heaven. Every year I go to India, it seems as if time has stood still during those morning hours. I love sleeping but I get up early when I’m on vacation in India to experience this.

    And then there are these Gujarati devotional songs that play at the tea stall every morning near the bus stop… Can’t describe the song coz. don’t remember the lyrics or anything but that was pure bliss – Sure Dhiren would know what songs i’m talking about. Sitting there watching young lads carrying their heavy school bags, still half asleep treading lazily in the direction of their schools without a worry in the world (other than going to school) The feeling is something else… Your post brought back a lot of memories Indy.

    me- ๐Ÿ™‚ that is amazing ๐Ÿ™‚ which makes me think like it did with IHM’s words too that it s a great thing Rakesh ๐Ÿ™‚
    I mean so many of us have had such an upbringing and are more tolerant in our outlook…
    the world needs more such parents like ours ๐Ÿ™‚
    totally get you when you say that chanting one prayer does not mean that one does not believe the others…

    Every year I go to India, it seems as if time has stood still during those morning hours
    ๐Ÿ™‚ can almost see how you must have felt ๐Ÿ™‚ I agree …mornings are a magical time :)specially with such music in the background ๐Ÿ™‚
    do share the gujarati songs Rakesh…see if you can remember ๐Ÿ™‚ or maybe Dhiren can ๐Ÿ™‚
    would love to hear them ๐Ÿ™‚

    Sitting there watching young lads carrying their heavy school bags, still half asleep treading lazily in the direction of their schools without a worry in the world (other than going to school) .
    loved how you wrote this ๐Ÿ™‚
    brought back a lot of memories for me too ๐Ÿ™‚

    If only one could be a child all over again ๐Ÿ™‚

  6. May 3, 2009 9:16 pm

    Abhi, What a Blissful post! ๐Ÿ™‚

    “Days when mornings were spent sitting quietly in the garden listening to the chirping of the birds, the soft morning breeze caressing our faces, the trees swaying gently , walking on the dew soaked grass barefootโ€ฆ”

    This was exactly our mornings too. We didn’t even have a puja ghar. All we had was a framed picture of Ram-Sita which was gifted by someone at their wedding. So it was kept at a corner and near that we had a small agarbatti stand and that’s all. The diya was lit on Vishu, Onam, Diwali and Sarawati puja. My Dad comes from a very religious house and still he didn’t force us into any puja. My mom grew up with no interest in gods eventhough she visited her family temple and all.

    For me that Ram-Sita picture became my strength. No one told be how to pray. I just knew it. For me god became Ram. This was a word which gave me strength. I developed a prayer for myself which I used to say couple of times a day and I continue it to this day.

    We used to go to temple but on special occasions.

    We had Christmas lights put up in December. We celebrated Easter and Christmas every year at a family friend’s and also sang Carols in Dec. My mom and her dear friend even visited Church just like that because this dear friend came to Vaishno Devi with us. Yes! Christians. They used to celebrate Onam and wore traditional set saree and also chandan on their forehead like us. We never realized while growing up that both belonged to different religions.

    I think it is all because of our defence upbringing. I have never heard anyone talking about religion, color, caste, creed, language thing in our camp.

    I don’t think religion is bad for I have cousins who grew up totally religious. They turned out equally good too. Religious or not, respecting other’s faith is very important. It saddens me to see people are up in arms to mock at anything associated with Hinduism but keep quiet and may be even support when it comes to other religion because they want to be today’s women or whatever. Such people have helped me change.

    I still don’t light diyas daily but I am more religious now and so are my parents which is a good thing again. They have more time to visit temples and I love it too. This time I got a ‘Adhyatma Ramayan’ from India and then have got many ‘Aum’ chants. I also listen to instrumental musics esp. Harp which is so peaceful.

    If only everyone could respect others’ faith and not mock at it, world would be a much better place.

    • May 4, 2009 11:39 am

      Solilo ๐Ÿ™‚ thanks ๐Ÿ™‚
      loved your post it was so soothing to see those morning pics and to listen to MS ๐Ÿ™‚

      Solilo !!you wont believe it!but mom and dad’s first pic is of Ram and Sita too!you know the one of the Ayodhya temple?!The sita mandir in Ayodhya? that one ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜€ mom’s friend gifted it to her on her wedding ๐Ÿ˜€
      this is so eerie!
      I realised this just as I was writing down this reply ๐Ÿ˜€
      asked mom and she said that yep that was their first pic ๐Ÿ˜€

      like your dad, my mom came from a religious house and she didnt force us..and dad came from an atheist house and he never bothered..

      I had a special prayer of mine too SOlilo ๐Ÿ™‚ and yes liek you said it did give me solace:)
      I didnt know whom the prayer was for or which god, but I knew that if tehre was a god she./he would listen to the prayers of a little kid ๐Ÿ™‚

      We had Christmas lights put up in December. We celebrated Easter and Christmas every year at a family friendโ€™s and also sang Carols in Dec. My mom and her dear friend even visited Church just like that because this dear friend came to Vaishno Devi with us. Yes! Christians. They used to celebrate Onam and wore traditional set saree and also chandan on their forehead like us. We never realized while growing up that both belonged to different religions.

      I think it is all because of our defence upbringing. I have never heard anyone talking about religion, color, caste, creed, language thing in our camp.

      well…you have said it all…this was my childhood too ๐Ÿ™‚ so have simply put your wordsa s mine too ๐Ÿ™‚
      yes precisely because of the defence background…these were terms that I was not aware of…religion /caste were words that we never heard…

      I agree Solilo..like you I too have cousins who have grown up in very religious environments and they have turned out to be lovely human beings….there is no difference between them and us…

      the key I think is to ensure that whether a child grows up in a very religious environment or a very atheistic one….nothing should be forced…as long as emphasis is laid on not hating god or loving god but on being good human beings then evrything will turn out right….

      the hypocrisy!?I could write reams on it…
      I fume and it never seems to stop…like I did on your latest post…

      I agree…and will leave it at that….

      me too SOlilo…I light diyas sing the aarti on certain days with the whole family…and then promptly forget it on the rest of the days…

      you know mom and dad…mom certainly have strted visitng various religious places now…maybe because the tiem is right..dont we have different stages of life in Hinduism?
      so I think your parents and mine are doing it at the right time…now that they are relatively free from responsibilities they have time on their hands to devote to what they like..:)
      mom anddad too will be doing the same I know after they are free or as mom says after her children are settled..job/marriage et al and have time on their hands.:)

      more people will learn this I am sure..that all faiths are the same…there is no one god..who knows if there is a god at all?

      and how we should just enjoy this life we have been given…. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • May 5, 2009 5:19 am

        Oh my god! Ram-Sita picture at your place too. That is a divine coincidence. ๐Ÿ˜€

        me-told you gurl or err as you tell me ๐Ÿ˜€ wayy too eerie ๐Ÿ˜€
        LOL@divine

  7. May 3, 2009 9:16 pm

    Ah simply beautiful! Our family was in a way quite like yours. I dont remember the last time “we” performed any puja.. though the shlokhs and other devotional songs always is played at home.. we all like to listen to it..

    And Venkatesha Suprabhaatam always is the fav ! ๐Ÿ™‚

    me- ๐Ÿ™‚ thats the beauty of it Winnie ๐Ÿ™‚ whether one is froma really religious background of an atheistic one…what matters is how the parents have brought up the children:) and that one thing matters most of all:)

    we here love to listen to all such songs too:) and any music that we can lay our hands on ๐Ÿ™‚

    yes just listened to Venkateshwara Suprabhatam coz of Solilo and loved it! ๐Ÿ™‚

  8. May 3, 2009 9:19 pm

    I grew up in a very orthodox Hindu household . My puja ghar was strictly Hindu . But my grandfather taught me the meaning of “sarva dharma sambhava” at a very early stage , citing the example of Shree Ram Krishna Paramhans . I do not think different religions have different Gods, there is just one , you have different forms and versions of him/her . And my approach toward Religion is more philosophical than ritualistic . A great blogger once said “A religion has three pillars , symbols/idols ; rituals and spirituality , and these days the emphasis is less on the spirituality ” . I want to focus on it alone . And can you guess who this blogger is ?

    It breaks my heart , when people proclaim that their religion alone is best , or the brightest light shining in the darkness engulfing us humans . It boils my blood when I am called a Kaffir or a Heathen . I cannot tolerate religious intolerance .

    “If the world is one family, why do its members fight so much among themselves?” – If you find the answer to this , I bet you will be one step closer to salvation .

    me- Kislay read Solilo’s comment:) I agree ๐Ÿ™‚ it doesnt matter which environment one grew up in..whether it was really religious or not at all or somewhere in between ๐Ÿ™‚ what mattered was how the parents taught their children by example:) and if the children turned out to be good human beings then any and every environment is worth it! ๐Ÿ™‚

    okay this is a day of surprises ๐Ÿ™‚
    But my grandfather taught me the meaning of “sarva dharma sambhava” at a very early stage , citing the example of Shree Ram Krishna Paramhans
    my grandfather my dadaji too did the same:) he taught us about so many things…about the RadhaSwami faith :)…he never told us to follow it:) also … about atheism and so many other things..I was too young to understand it all..but I did remember one thing..he said be a good human being and that is your faith ๐Ÿ™‚ nothing else required:)

    Kislay I cant guess…am not able to:) do share who this blogger is ๐Ÿ™‚ because the words are so true…

    It breaks my heart , when people proclaim that their religion alone is best , or the brightest light shining in the darkness engulfing us humans . It boils my blood when I am called a Kaffir or a Heathen . I cannot tolerate religious intolerance .

    me too dear friend …me too ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    • May 4, 2009 1:44 pm

      That blogger is Chirag Chamoli . His words struck me , and stuck with me since I read it . Kudos to him .

      me-ah! I should have known ๐Ÿ™‚
      Chirag is one such soul ๐Ÿ™‚ very clear and very calm about his beliefs ๐Ÿ™‚

      • May 5, 2009 2:14 pm

        Kislay, yes, Chirag is wise. I had been wanting to read who this is, and I have read all of Chirag’s posts, this is so like him. I also remember one of your posts, a very short one Kislay, where you have talked about the beginning of religion… That one was also very nice.

  9. Pal permalink
    May 3, 2009 9:22 pm

    My first visit to your blog, Indiyeah (though I must admit your blog ‘name’ made me want to visit several months earlier, but I was just being lazy!!). Loved this post. Especially when I saw Harivarasanam on the list. My all-time favourite too, because it makes me feel so miniscule. Thanks for sharing the links!! going to download it right away.
    -http://writerzblock.wordpress.com

    me-Thanks for visiting Pal ๐Ÿ™‚
    delighted to see another blogger here ๐Ÿ™‚
    you could have been here months earlier? ๐Ÿ˜›
    der aaye durust aaye ๐Ÿ˜€
    now I can visit you too ๐Ÿ™‚
    I loved harivarsanam too ๐Ÿ™‚
    enjoy ๐Ÿ™‚

  10. May 3, 2009 9:42 pm

    Hey, Indyeah, you hit the nail on spot, it is not on what God we worship or whether we worship at all, it is the way we live, peacefully, without harming others intentioanally, that matters most. Loved the variations in keertans and bhajans, my fav is Yesudas’s harivarasanam…but I am going to hear the rest too…

    me-exactly!its how we live! its as easy and as complicated as that!
    without harming others intentionally as you have written ๐Ÿ™‚
    my fav is that one too:)
    enjoy them all:)

    • May 5, 2009 2:20 pm

      “…it is not on what God we worship or whether we worship at all, it is the way we live, peacefully, without harming others intentioanally, that matters most.”
      Well said Sindhu!!! I so agree.

  11. May 3, 2009 10:57 pm

    In my home too , we have a Christ photo ,buddha etc…But for me God is within..the spark..

    I love bhajans and mantras ..I studied in a school which teaches kids to chant and though not many kids dare to , we have the freedom to question(I always did that and I am thankful there were people who answered me)..

    This is the first time I am listening to Buddhist chants loved it… ๐Ÿ™‚

    And ya Vishnu Sharatranamam , you missed it ๐Ÿ˜‰


    me-knew you would say that Vishesh ๐Ÿ˜€ you are the young philosopher here na? ๐Ÿ™‚
    you are right..it is the spark within ๐Ÿ™‚

    we have the freedom to question(I always did that and I am thankful there were people who answered me)..
    I am so glad to hear that Vishesh because that is the most important..answering the questions of an inquisitive young mind..and most of all letting the young minds question any and everything ๐Ÿ™‚
    glad to know that you loved the buddhist chants ๐Ÿ™‚ they are peaceful na? ๐Ÿ™‚
    Could you please give me a link to Vishnu Sharatranamam ?:)

    • May 4, 2009 8:20 pm

      ha can’t find..will try to find the cd ๐Ÿ˜‰ and just remember Krishna ne begane and my one of my faves kurai ondrum illai ๐Ÿ˜€ check them out ๐Ÿ˜€

      me – oh! will wait ๐Ÿ™‚
      krishna ne begane is your fav that I know from that post of yours ๐Ÿ™‚
      and now off to search for the other one too ๐Ÿ™‚

  12. May 3, 2009 11:39 pm

    Beautiful! Here are some more:

    asatOmA sadgamaya (3:35):

    asatOmA sadgamaya, Lata (2:00):

    asatOmA sadgamaya again (3:15):

    The same chant comes in Matrix Revolution theme song (3:27):

    LaghunyAsam (2.14):

    Shri Mahaganesha Pancharatnam (3:44)

    me-Oh wow!!I had to thank you for sharing these links MAald ๐Ÿ™‚
    Thank you ๐Ÿ™‚
    I absolutely love the chant..the second one…and the others too…its beautiful and has memories of childhood when even though we couldnt understand it but knew that it was something powerful and beyond our understanding….

    Maald thank you once again for sharing some great videos ๐Ÿ™‚

  13. May 3, 2009 11:41 pm

    Well, Indyeah, I have to congratulate you on having the courage to write a post on such a complex topic!

    I cannot answer the question you have posed at the end, nor can I comment on the tenets of other religions than my own.

    As I see it, and remember this is only my opinion, Hinduism is a way of life, not a way of worship.

    Hinduism gives us freedom to worship whichever, any number of, or none if we choose, Gods that we please.

    It DOES advise us to live a ‘Satvik’ life. It DOES tell us to honour the duties that we have, towards our Matrubhoomi, our Gurujan, and our parents.

    To my knowledge, nowhere have any scriptures in the Hindu tradition exhorted us to bring followers of other faith into our faith because this is the ONLY TRUE WAY to Heaven.

    On the contrary, Hindus believe that all ways of Bhakti lead to ONE Supreme Being which is Nirgun-Nirakar.

    me-thanks Manju ๐Ÿ™‚ though it doesnt require courage just honesty ๐Ÿ™‚ just as you have written so clearly and honestly in the comment ๐Ÿ™‚

    I agree with your views on Hinduism completely ๐Ÿ™‚
    for me too it is a way of life and not a set of doctrines to be folllowed from A to Z..and that is the beauty of it…

    Hinduism gives us freedom to worship whichever, any number of, or none if we choose, Gods that we please

    absolutely!!and look at how we are able to criticise Hinduism so vehemently ..this too is its beauty..

    To my knowledge, nowhere have any scriptures in the Hindu tradition exhorted us to bring followers of other faith into our faith because this is the ONLY TRUE WAY to Heaven.

    On the contrary, Hindus believe that all ways of Bhakti lead to ONE Supreme Being which is Nirgun-Nirakar.
    I agree again:)

  14. May 4, 2009 12:09 am

    For me, God is a power which is everywhere…… many “people” find this concept foolish, but God for me is that power which is universal and can exist in any form….. so God is Ram, krishna, jesus, allah, buddha etc etc etc…. and that God is also in us which makes us do good things……..

    and one particular song which I absolutely love is a song called “yaar yaar sivam” (who is god?) from the film “Anbe Sivam”…….. it has a powerful message in it:

    lyrics:
    http://quintessentialhope.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/indianism-2/
    The song:

    and I strongly believe that all “Beliefs” lead to God… I will not use the word “Religion”….. ๐Ÿ˜›
    Even an athiest who is true to his principles (good) will reach God.. his destination…………

    me-a quick peek here to thank you for that video OG ๐Ÿ™‚ liked it ๐Ÿ™‚
    more later ๐Ÿ™‚

    me-back again ๐Ÿ˜€
    ”god is a power that is everywhere ๐Ÿ™‚ I agree OG and knowing you I expected you to say something like this ๐Ÿ™‚
    yes religion seems to have become a word thats like a hot potato ๐Ÿ˜€
    coming over to read the lyrics now:)
    thanks for that video ๐Ÿ™‚

    • May 4, 2009 3:06 am

      the full song can be found in this link:
      http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/moviedetail.asp?mid=T0000457
      me-thanks a lot OG ๐Ÿ™‚ will listen to it and download it:)

    • May 4, 2009 8:14 am

      one of my fav tamil movie song ๐Ÿ˜€ And one of Kamal’s best performance too ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • May 4, 2009 8:10 pm

      Oh love this movie and this song!

      Esp there is one scene where the lil kid dies in the movie.. and Madhavan is feeling down.. and whatever kamal hasan says in that dialogue.. its priceless! OG if you remember translate it here no ?

      • May 4, 2009 8:44 pm

        yeah, lemme find it!!!!
        and that is exact reason why i love hinduism so much!! i can follow anything and still be a hindu.
        Unlike other religions, I believe that Hindusism does not have boundaries, it does not have rules except veyr basic ones…….

        That is why we have so many ideologies. in our culture…. but other religions have very specific rules!!!!!!

        that is beauty of it, I can follow anything is still be a proud Hindu!
        what say guys?

        me- I agree with all the reasons OG ๐Ÿ™‚
        all the reasons are mine too ๐Ÿ™‚
        that is precisely why I love this faith too ๐Ÿ™‚
        and it is something I never realized until now..it is only lately that I am realizing it ๐Ÿ™‚

        Edited to add-OG I just remembered an incident that I hated reading about and watching ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
        the same Yesudas who sang the song Harivarsanam so beautifully was turned away from a temple in the south because he was a ‘christian ‘ ๐Ÿ˜ฆ I wanted to murder someone!
        some orthodox temples still dont allow women and those who are not Hindus into the temple ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

        I agree that this is not a pan Indian rule but still why should it exist in any form at all? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

        imagine!! when human beings are still being discriminated against and women are sometimes not even considered one..what is to be our future then? :(

        • May 5, 2009 9:12 am

          ME too for the same reasons! It can be customised as and how we like it.. can be complex for complex ppl.. like sadhus et al… and simple for simply folks.. like the bhakti movement etc etc ๐Ÿ™‚

        • May 5, 2009 10:01 pm

          OMG…. of all the people, they had to refuse yesudas… one of the person who has sung countless devotional songs……

          it is vry stupid…. that is what it is……..

          PS: dont murder anybody ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
          me- ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    • Badz permalink
      May 7, 2009 6:29 pm

      Do You know When I see this video, I wish some kind of miracle like this would happen for my baby brother. I’d do anything to see him walk and be able to do everything kids his age can do. ๐Ÿ™‚

      me-(((((((hugs))))))))

  15. May 4, 2009 1:30 am

    Thanks, Indyeah, for taking us on such a melodious spiritual journey. Personally I believe more in the word FAITH than in the word RELIGION. In my view, MUSIC and FAITH are healing and unifying, while RELIGION, esp of the organised variety, is a DIVISIVE force.

    ME- you are most welcome ๐Ÿ™‚ thank you for that word ๐Ÿ™‚ faith…yes that says it much better than anything else ever could ๐Ÿ™‚
    and you have put it most succintly…music and faith unify:)

  16. May 4, 2009 9:15 am

    Lovely!! ๐Ÿ™‚

    the list of bhajans/songs are simply beautiful…

    I believe in God, visit temples… but, it’s not over done and the high level of tolerance exists… ๐Ÿ˜€

    Reading this post reminded me of Saturday morning, when me and my husband sat out on our porch in Mysore, listening to the morning and chatting with my parents and reading the paper… it was blissful ๐Ÿ™‚

    me-thanks Pixie:)
    this post reminded me too of mornings of childhood..actually reading Solilo’s post reminded me and led to this post ๐Ÿ™‚
    glad to know that you liked it:)

  17. May 4, 2009 9:46 am

    wow… I am a first time visitor to your blog… and am impressed!!! ๐Ÿ˜€
    What should I say… this is such a great collage!!! ๐Ÿ˜€

    me-welcome here Chiranjib:)
    thank you so much:)

  18. May 4, 2009 10:52 am

    everything u wrote ur parents didn’t do is exactly what my dad does!! and i still managed to grow up very similar to you ๐Ÿ™‚

    i don’t like overcrowded temples with ppl stamping my feet and not even being apologetic about it!! so i visit on “not-special” days, when ppl r convinced it’s a less fruitful day to ask of God’s blessings…
    something about sitting in a quiet temple rejuvenates me like i can’t explain. i don’t even have to chant or pray, just sit….

    i got my religion and karma in place in fifth std, after the morning assembly, when our principal told us the simplest way to stay close to God – “Think before your actions and words, and if u think it may cause hurt to some heart, then don’t do it or alter it. If you do happen to hurt someone, speak with them, seek forgiveness and soothe them in a way you think is right”

    i thought about her words all day long and did my best to keep up with it. i feel great, i feel blessed! that’s my religion! ๐Ÿ™‚

    if only more ppl raised their children like ur parents and more ppl thought like u do Indyeah, we’d be a different world!!!

    i love Venkateshwara Suprabhatam…

    (is this the right time to tell u write menancingly long comments?? ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

    me-Like I wrote in a reply to Kislay ๐Ÿ™‚ and like Solilo wrotew hich was so true:)
    any home where the emphasis is on humanity there the children will grow up right:) like you did ๐Ÿ™‚
    something about sitting in a quiet temple rejuvenates me like i can’t explain. i don’t even have to chant or pray, just sit….
    I do this too!and on days when it is not crowded just like you! :))

    “Think before your actions and words, and if u think it may cause hurt to some heart, then don’t do it or alter it. If you do happen to hurt someone, speak with them, seek forgiveness and soothe them in a way you think is right”
    beautifull,y said by your princi ๐Ÿ™‚
    and beautifully imbibed by you:)

    you too are part of this world Crafty Shines and that gives me hope :))

    twice??what twice?do you see any twice?
    pssst we wont tell anyone about it ๐Ÿ˜€

    (is this the right time to tell u write menancingly long comments?? ๐Ÿ˜‰ )
    is it the right time to tell you that this comment monster thinks we could be kumbh ke mele mein bichdi hui behnein? ๐Ÿ˜†

    • May 4, 2009 2:47 pm

      aahhhh! i knew there were more of me! i already found estranged twins in mandira, roop n homecooked!!!! ( i am assumin u know them already)

      together we are The Kumbh Reunited Twins!!!!! (bollywood music, lightning, heavy rain, and more such vital SFX)

      hugs! ๐Ÿ˜€
      me- more of you? so cute Crafty ๐Ÿ˜†
      (((hugs))back ๐Ÿ˜€

      • May 4, 2009 2:48 pm

        wait….we r four now…that must make us The Kumbh Reunited Quadraplets!! (four times louder SFX than mentioned above) ๐Ÿ˜€

        me- ๐Ÿ˜€ and yet more ๐Ÿ˜€

        • May 4, 2009 3:08 pm

          wait wait wait…thats five of us, innit? did i tell u i was bad at math, very very bad? sigh ๐Ÿ˜

          indyeah, consider me crashed….

          me-ROFL!! I swear Crafty that was some commenting goin on ๐Ÿ˜€
          so damn cute ๐Ÿ˜€
          indyeah, consider me crashed? aww…won my heart gurl ๐Ÿ˜€ you did ๐Ÿ˜€
          (((hugs)) you are so cute ๐Ÿ˜€

      • May 5, 2009 10:08 am

        crafty-The Kumbh Reunited Twins??? roflmao.

        me- ๐Ÿ˜†

        • May 6, 2009 8:56 am

          Quadruplets ๐Ÿ˜›

          me- ๐Ÿ˜†
          this thing has become a separate conversation thread now ๐Ÿ˜€

  19. May 4, 2009 12:04 pm

    Indyeah,
    I remember waking up everyday by sound of 7 AM news on Radio. And then some songs and other daily programs. ๐Ÿ™‚ I miss those days very much.

    I agree with what Crafty Shines wrote: “everything u wrote ur parents didnโ€™t do is exactly what my dad does!! and i still managed to grow up very similar to you”. Same applies to me.
    I like going to temples, listening to bhajans and other similar songs, chants (and much more things which are laughed at by our generation ๐Ÿ˜€ ). My family is very “Dharmik”, but still I always think like PI in the book “Life of PI” (Read it for sure, you will love it).

    I can not see these videos in office, can you caption them with their titles for me???

    me-me too Suda ..I miss those days too:)
    a lot ๐Ÿ™‚
    read what I wrote in my reply to Crafty Shines, Kislay and what Solilo wrote :)) the same applies to you:)
    your parents did a good job:))didnt they?when you are what you are today:)

    PI, the child in the book, likes all religions. He simply picks up good things in all religions and follows them. I wish everyone starts thinking like him!!I love that book too:)
    and I agree…if only…if only people would learn this lesson…if only they would stop fighting…if only.. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    the list could go on and on…

    sure Suda:)
    will write the titles ๐Ÿ™‚

    • May 5, 2009 2:20 pm

      ………read what I wrote in my reply to Crafty Shines, Kislay and what Solilo wrote…… …………… grrrrrrrrrrr round round round …. thudddd. *falls unconscious* ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

      me- ๐Ÿ˜†

  20. May 4, 2009 12:22 pm

    Amazing post! I find your posts becoming logically structured and loaded with information and a sort of one blog stop for everything – last time it was stand up humor now it is religious singing!
    I would like to call your blog Indyeahpedia!

    me- thank you Sir
    a new word ๐Ÿ˜€ yay!! delighted absolutely delighted ๐Ÿ˜€
    structured? I dont know how long the structure will last though ๐Ÿ˜€
    thnak you ๐Ÿ˜€

    • May 5, 2009 5:20 am

      I second Indyeahpedia.

      me- ๐Ÿ˜€ aww…(((hugs)))

    • May 11, 2009 2:12 pm

      Gopinath, trust you to find a perfect word for Indygurl ๐Ÿ™‚
      Fantastic! Abhi, that indeed is you, and your blog :D!

      me- aww Ushus ๐Ÿ™‚ thank you so much ๐Ÿ™‚
      thank you Gopinath SIr ๐Ÿ˜€

  21. May 4, 2009 2:50 pm

    Awesome post Indyeah!
    all those videos were very nice. At the end of the day, what religion teaches is to be happy and help the needy. I hope that one day everyone will be able to think in such a broader way and there would be no religious clashes.

    me-thanks Mystery ๐Ÿ™‚
    yes infact rather than religion it is humanity isnt it?:) something that I like to believe we are all born with ๐Ÿ™‚ maybe its in our DNA? ๐Ÿ™‚
    amen to all that you ahve written ๐Ÿ™‚

  22. May 4, 2009 3:22 pm

    WOW.. for everything on this page. ๐Ÿ™‚

    i come from a moderately religious family but my parents never forced anything on me. so i had the freedom to choose my own god and the way i pray.. and i chose the NIRGUN/NIRVIKAR (as someone has suggested here).

    i do have a mandir at home and like to chant or hear shlokas and mantras as i feel the rythm in them have a healing effect for the soul..

    i think ‘Aham Brahmasmi’ is also true and should be understood properly as we are all a part of that supreme power whatever that may be..

    my superego plays my vigilant god to keep me in the path of humanity.

    i am glad to see many of us are free to choose our own way to the supreme power.

    me-thanks Oorja:)
    you have said it beautifully:)

    the concept of Niirgun Nirvikar as Manju and you..both has put it …as well as Aham Brahmasmi ๐Ÿ™‚ are beautiful ๐Ÿ™‚
    even I think that such chants be they of any religion have a soothing and healing effect on the soul ๐Ÿ™‚

    my superego plays my vigilant god to keep me in the path of humanity.

    beautiful! ๐Ÿ™‚
    you have studied psychology too? ๐Ÿ™‚
    Iam glad too to know that so many people think like this ๐Ÿ™‚

    • May 4, 2009 7:28 pm

      you haven’t read my ‘About me..’ on my blog..? the only thing i have written about me is i am a student of psychology. ๐Ÿ™‚

      me- Now I have ๐Ÿ˜€ I did think that someone who talks about super ego had to be a student of psychology ๐Ÿ˜€

  23. May 4, 2009 3:45 pm

    And Gopi is struck with Indeaphilia!!

    me- ๐Ÿ˜€

  24. May 4, 2009 4:04 pm

    Abhilasha, I don’t know whether you have realised that this post has almost become a collector’s item.

    me-awww…thank you for those generous words Sir ๐Ÿ™‚

  25. May 4, 2009 4:19 pm

    hey i cant see these videos..could you please post the link too….

    Very insightful post indiyeah…remind me of my childhood when my mom use to tell us stories of god in evening…She use to repeat one line ” God is ready to help you anytime, you just have to call him with full faith and he will be at your service ” Like craftyshine said i also dont like visiting temple much as almost everyday they are overcrowded ….i like my small pooja place at home where i can sit and feel the presence of god…

    me-have done it Rashmi ๐Ÿ™‚ all the links are below the videos ๐Ÿ™‚

    your mom was right you know ๐Ÿ™‚
    whatever is our idea of a a god/supreme being/higher power/someone who we hope is looking out for us..those words of your mom’s help to think that we are not alone ๐Ÿ™‚
    and the idea of having one’s own private place to worship..is great..in the sense that one doesnt need to go to temples to pray..for that matter…as they say
    man changa toh kathauti mein ganga ๐Ÿ™‚

  26. May 4, 2009 4:27 pm

    Know what! Ever since I gifted a DVD player to my Mom Dad two years back, they have collected all the DVDs of bhajans they can lay their hands on. There is a huuuuge collection in my house and everyday while I got ready to go to the office, my Mom would play a dvd of Bhajans/sholaks in the morning. It had such a soothing effect. I am missing that now. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    And Ek Omkar is my all time favourite. Ditto for Khwaja and Haji Ali.

    me-aww….that is so sweet of you to gift your parents the player and whats even cuter is that they are collecting dvds like lil kids …really cute
    why glum? homesick? ๐Ÿ™‚
    dont worry it’ll pass ..this feeling ๐Ÿ™‚
    talk to your mom ..go on …pick up the phone ๐Ÿ™‚
    give me a smiley ๐Ÿ™‚ only smileys are allowed here at this space ๐Ÿ˜€

    oh! and do share the titles or the links of some bhajans/songs that you like here ๐Ÿ™‚
    I like those two songs that you mentioned too ๐Ÿ™‚

  27. May 4, 2009 7:04 pm

    Wow excellent post and loved all the videos.Infact i read ur post yesterday and today came back again to play all those videos.:)

    My fav among these are Bhaja Govindam-M.S Subbulakshmi and Venkateshwara Suprabhatam.And my mom taught my kids Hanumana chalisa in sanskrit.

    me- Thanks Saritha ๐Ÿ™‚
    the first one is my fav too Bhaja Govindam that is ๐Ÿ™‚ and the second one is something I have loved upon listening ๐Ÿ™‚
    thank you so much for sharing the video:)) I know the chalisa by heart too:)
    it gives me solace at times:)

    • May 5, 2009 8:43 am

      Ops sorry my mom taught the kids hindi hanumana chalisa

      me- ๐Ÿ™‚

  28. Poonam J permalink
    May 4, 2009 7:40 pm

    Religion is very personal to me. My husband and self have raised our kids as human beings..the only religion we preached to them, was to be good human beings, always try to do the right thing, be humble, and always told them to believe in God,He has no religion,He is the unseen power…..Now that the kids are settled in their lives, in a different world..I realize I pray more..but my prayers are within me..I listen to Abida Parveen, Bhimsen Joshi, Satnam Waheguru by Jagjit Singh and get as much peace as I get listening to Om Namah Shivaya. Religion and its practice I can survive without, but human affection I cannot….thats my true religion, thats what I practice.Khwaja, Haji Ali…I actually sway to them….Beautiful collection.
    Lovely post,am going to compile all these songs on my CD…THANK YOU Indyeah

    me- that sounds like the best kind of upbringing one can give one’s children:)
    that’s absolutely great to hear! ๐Ÿ™‚ hats off for such great parenting ๐Ÿ™‚ we need parents who think like you ๐Ÿ™‚

    yes..how true…God has no religion….

    those are some beautiful singers you have written about and some equally beautiful compositions ….Abida Parveen is someone whom I love to listen to ๐Ÿ™‚

    Religion and its practice I can survive without, but human affection I cannot….thats my true religion, thats what I practice
    beautiful!! I would second that ๐Ÿ™‚
    the sufi songs speak to the soul dont they?:)
    I love that line in the song piya haji ali..
    ”yahaan Hindu , Muslim, Sikh , Isaaii faiz paate hain…”
    thank YOU for sharing:)

    • May 11, 2009 2:14 pm

      Poonam, what a wonderful idea you have given me too… to compile them into a CD ๐Ÿ™‚ Thank you… and thanks again, Indy ๐Ÿ™‚
      me- ๐Ÿ™‚ yes I loved that idea too ๐Ÿ™‚ and thank You Ushus for your arrival is awaited so… ๐Ÿ™‚

  29. May 4, 2009 8:44 pm

    Nice collection of devotional songs, and that too from various streams.

    Me and my brother were brought up in a similar way, except for the fact that both of us never bothered to even visit a temple. The only reason why I used to go to temples was for the offerings there. (In Dubai, they used to give bread and chenna. yummy it was ๐Ÿ˜€ ) Parents have changed their stance as they are old now. I see my mom and dad visiting temples and spending a little of their time in the puja room. I dont know if its something to do with the boredom that accompanies old age or because they find solace in it !

    Btw, this is my take on it if you havent read it yet :

    http://vimalsparadise.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-just-hate-my-forefathers.html

    See, I can write serious comments too ๐Ÿ˜€
    (Oh bummer, I just spoiled the seriousness with this last sentence !)

    me- thank you ๐Ÿ™‚
    my two brothers also never visit a temple..:) just coz it never enters their mind ๐Ÿ™‚

    LOL@bread and chenna ๐Ÿ˜€
    see?its the prasad that lures us all ๐Ÿ˜€

    I loved the prasad too ๐Ÿ˜€

    I think it is part boredom and partly because they find solace in it ๐Ÿ™‚
    coz I see my parents getting ready to do the same once they are free from the worldly responsibilities ๐Ÿ˜€ it is the perfect time for them to do what they want…you know…the fourth stage in the grihasth jeevan ๐Ÿ™‚
    will come and read your take now ๐Ÿ™‚

    LOL@bummer ๐Ÿ˜€
    yeah but it still was a great comment ๐Ÿ™‚

  30. May 4, 2009 9:43 pm

    This is an truly magnificent post! What painstaking effort and time you must have put into this. As for your collection of gems…they are priceless!

    thank you for sharing this with us. Truly a balm for the soul…

    me- thank you so much for the generous words MM ๐Ÿ™‚

  31. May 5, 2009 12:42 am

    there is one powerful force — call him even a god !

    Diversification of this force into many is called religion.

    Organization of this religion is what is called narcissim!

    But I cannot deal with Idolism – sorry ! ( only because the focus is on the idol and the truth of the matter disappears in thin air ) some would argue that we need it to understand that the powerful force is there . sorry my dear friend — the greatest creation that this powerful force has created is a human being — but in the name of God if one has to kill or abhor ate another human being ( muslims vs jews vs christians — i will call you a narcissist ( strong word i know )

    me- I agree partly An ๐Ÿ™‚
    coz see just the thought that there is some higher power out there does not mean that one is completely hopeless or open to religious hypocrisy…
    though yes I agree with you that that is where it generally starts from ๐Ÿ™‚
    as you have said it aptly here
    there is one powerful force — call him even a god !

    Diversification of this force into many is called religion.

    Organization of this religion is what is called narcissism!
    An we cant judge those who choose to believe or not believe in idols or X Y Z religion..we can however judge those who seek to divide and kill and plant hatred in the minds of people…

    people use religion — because one can come up with any random explanations and can use it in court too ! — ( manju of cabbages and kings had written a post about it – Parkinson’s law of triviality)
    yes I did read that post of manju’s and I agree ๐Ÿ™‚

    when a person is born he is not born into any religion — the parents make choices for the kid – the kid will discover her/his own down the road — i discovered it too and stopped practicing religion long time ago but have started having faith.

    yep true:) and just the way my parents and the parents of so many others did not force us ….
    I too have faith ๐Ÿ™‚ more than anything else ๐Ÿ™‚ to what or for what I dont know..it just is there… and I find peace at any place..the religious affiliation does not matter
    I dont practice religion per se…Sucharita called it faith and I agree

    • anrosh permalink
      May 5, 2009 9:26 am

      but what gets my goat is idolism in every religion which is the cause of unrest in society/riots.

      Babri masjid vs ram janmabhoomi.
      tomorrow it is some synagogue vs some church
      some bhuddisht gompa vs gurudwara

      the list is endless

      you would know that muslims among themselves have differences of opinion.
      jewish have disagreements between the different tribes
      christians have their – converting human beings into saints etc etc and worshipping some saint later –

      everybody looses the essence and then try to convince others “how their religion is the best.

      the paradox is – faith is left behind, so is the philosophy behind it. everybody misses the creator and the creation and everything silly in between is important ! that my friend is the problem.
      I agree An ..thats the tragedy of it all

      what is the problem is – every religious organization competes whose decibel is louder – that is the problem — the ego of the religious organization is the problem.

      but on a personal level i like the way the muslims worship — eyes raised to a high and with open arms surrendered.

      • May 5, 2009 2:36 pm

        me-uncanny An ..this was something that a friend and I were discussing and I will simply put the words of a my friend here

        Hindus go to temple to pray to the idol gods but why do people from other religions go to certain places to pray? Isnโ€™t that a form of idolatry? Do they find gods only at that place? In every religion at the end , whole concentration is forced at one point whether there is idol or not doesnโ€™t matter then.

        Idol worship was started by primitives and it existed not just in Indus Valley but every civilization. It was destroyed when new religions were introduced but in the end, every form of prayer is similar. Idol or no idol, everyone goes to a place to pray. In India, people even have photos of Jesus, Cross, Sacred frames of Mecca-Medina all this constitutes to idol worship.

        I agree with these words An for, they are mine too …

        Every history student is aware of the MOTHER GODDESS CULT
        ..it is something that is common to a lot of ancient civilisations…that too is a form of idol worship…imagine! back then when there was no concept of religion at all….

        and here is an old post of mine on religion DO WE NEED RELIGION?

        Thats the thing An …all of us ..pray in some form or the other…for some going to a particular place becomes the most important ..and they forget that faith has no boundaries and requires no special place

        some beautiful lines by some amazing souls come to mind An ๐Ÿ™‚

        Kabir said on Islam
        kankar pathar jod ke masjid liya banaay
        ta chad mullah baang de kya behra hua khudaay

        The priest calls for prayer by calling out for followers 4-5 times a day.

        (Kabir says why is the mullah(priest) shouting at the top of his voice. Has his God become deaf ?)

        Kabir wrote this about Hindu religion

        Paahan pooje hari miley to mai pooju pahaad
        tat yad chakki bhali pis khaaye sansar

        (He says that if by praying to an idol (stone) leads to God then I will pray to a mountain and ridicules the concept of God in Hindu religion by saying that a stone flour mill is better as it feeds people

        Another of great poets Mir taqi Mir ,considered Khuda-e-sukhan(God of Urdu poetry), also wrote against religion

        Mir ke deen-o-mazhab ab poochte kya ho, unne to
        qashqa kheencha dair mein baitha kab ka tarq islam kiya.

        (Mir, here says dont ask me my religion I have relinquished Islam long back and have accepted Hinduism.).

        This poem has to be understood in the context of Islam. Converting from Islam to any other religion is considered blasphemy and in Islam the person is condemned to death for having done so. One cannot convert from Islam to any other religion without facing wrath of Islamists even now in India. Mir here challenges all the Islamic religious fanatics by openly claiming that he has relinquished Islam and accepted Hinduism.

        Kabir takes a blanket pot-shot at all religions by saying this

        jyu naino mein putli, tyu maalik ghat maahi
        murakh log jaahi, baahar dhondan jaahi.

        (Kabir says that God resides inside us like pupil in our eye. All the followers of religion are ignorant as they try to search for God outside while He resides inside us.)

        I simply believe , ”man changa toh kathauti mein ganga ” ๐Ÿ™‚

        PS:-DISCLAIMER..the translations of the dohas here and the translation of the lines by Meer are not mine..they have been taken from some site on the net…these were in an old MSWord file of mine. and sadly I cannot find the site now.. ..if anyone would like me to remove it..I will do so..

        • May 5, 2009 4:43 pm

          Trust me .. i wrote a long comment and i dare not type it again !
          me-your comment is there An ๐Ÿ™‚ do see ๐Ÿ™‚ was there some other comment also that I missed? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

          so i will make it short and simple

          bad apples and idle minds cause unrest, while good apples offer the balm.
          me-very true! you have put it in a nutshell ๐Ÿ™‚

          the long and the short story is:
          jews will marry palestianas, even when they fight this war.
          jews will also drink kosher coke
          leabanese will marry christians and so will iraqis marry american
          hindus may not like christians but some will marry them —
          some hindus will not eat in my house, but others are my very best of friends.
          some whites will hate the colored skin. but some whites will marry the black and brown skin.
          because of some our faith will be reaffirmed , but because of others our faith may be cracked but will mend back !
          me-beautifully said Anrosh!! *applause*this is vintage An ๐Ÿ™‚
          loved these lines ๐Ÿ™‚ (((hugs)))

          allah or rahim vishnu or jesus, idols or not
          it takes all kinds of apples, shapes, colors and size to make this earth a colorful world and i love color and i will have everyone in my house because of this.
          me- beautiful! and yes I too believe in the same ๐Ÿ™‚

          My best friend belongs to a different country. we watched cricket together and she said, an. can you support my country? i said –not in any case if they are playing against India – I will support India. we sat next to each other and watched the game. everytime the wickets fell we made fun of each other — that my dear friend is why the world exists. shame to the people who pick up the talwar in the name of religion.
          me-and I agree yet again! my close friends all belong to different religions ๐Ÿ™‚ and we share the same equation as you do with your friend ๐Ÿ™‚

          those who talk of violence should be given a kick in the arse and left to die!is what I think…pretty violent thoughts but if I had my way then some morons would be shot!the rones in the news recently and some of the ones in the not so glorious past

          loved this comment ๐Ÿ™‚
          (((hug)) coz some lines of yours stay with one for long..these and some in the past as well ๐Ÿ™‚
          remember the ones on PCC? ๐Ÿ˜€
          loved those too ๐Ÿ˜€

          • May 5, 2009 6:47 pm

            all the comments are there — i did not type in email and website and so it said error !

            u do have a strong memory — no wonder you are teaching history

            me- thanks An ๐Ÿ˜€
            for some reason I am bad at remembering dates in History ๐Ÿ˜€ but good at remembering people, faces, facts, quotes and everything else ๐Ÿ˜€

          • May 5, 2009 8:01 pm

            and on that history note this may be something u may already know :

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People's_History_of_the_United_States

            the author writes mostly about the ignored events of american history.

            me-thanks for the link Anrosh ๐Ÿ™‚ great choice! :)) have read the book in parts..though to be honest..have never come close to finishing it ๐Ÿ™‚
            as it is its still a work in progress ๐Ÿ™‚

  32. May 5, 2009 2:04 am

    Soothing post, drives the point home. Religion is just an externalization of the search for faith and inner peace

    me-thanks ๐Ÿ™‚
    yeah for me its songs…from any faith any language ๐Ÿ™‚ the tune soothes me ๐Ÿ™‚

  33. May 5, 2009 2:16 am

    thanks for the intention…
    the add is:
    http://www.chiranjibmazumdar.blogspot.com

    ๐Ÿ˜€

    me-thanks that was pretty quick ๐Ÿ˜€

  34. nitwitnastik permalink
    May 5, 2009 2:27 am

    Hmmm…

    ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    me- hey! why the glum face? seriously do share ๐Ÿ™‚

    coz I shared about religion? ๐Ÿ™‚
    see?so many do believe in choices and in fact had it too ๐Ÿ™‚
    so its all about living a life of peace and harmony…and not letting morons hijack one’s faith ๐Ÿ™‚ faith being the key word here and not religion ๐Ÿ™‚

    • nitwitnastik permalink
      May 6, 2009 2:12 am

      Indyeah, as an atheist/agnostic I guess you know where I stand on the topic of God/Religion/prayers/puja etc and I am not shy about speaking my mind. Even though I don’t mind listening to devotional music and am a big fan of Indian Classical music (e.g Raga Kedar is dedicated to lord Shiva) but the automatic assumptions about God which follow is what I don’t quite agree with. All I could feel after reading some of the comments above (not necessarily by you) was disbelief and disappointment ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

      me- yes I am aware of your stand…I am neither though ๐Ÿ™‚
      I amstill trying to see what it is that I am..

      However, given the path most commenters have taken above, it’s probably prudent on my part keep my mouth shut for fear of spoiling the party and stepping on any toes (and there are quite a few here) which might soon turn ugly. So I hope you don’t mind me maintaining a “silence is golden” stance out of respect for you and your readers ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜€
      me- but NN thats the whole point ..to discuss and enrich ourselves with an understanding of something more..something that might be new to us,…even if you dont agree with anyone and everyone…something that is impossible on the best of days for most of us..even then I would request you to share….

      I mean as long as one is polite and respectful and mindful of another person’s feelings then its all fine isnt it?
      I really dont think it will turn ugly…things dont do at this space ๐Ÿ™‚

      Btw, I wasn’t necessarily speaking about faith, but I did write a post on faith and hero worship which I am sharing here. When I say hero worship it includes all corporeal and incorporeal, factual and fictional entities people pray to (e.g rama and krishna) , even though I didn’t mention it explicitly in my post.

      http://nitwitnastik.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/faith-and-hero-worship/

      me-thanks for sharing..have read it ๐Ÿ™‚ liked it too:)
      the concept of prayer would become too narrow when one confines it to mean that one can only pray to entities…I for one am in awe of this Brahmand or the Universe at times..and pray simply to my own version of whatever is the power (scientifically even ๐Ÿ˜€ ) that has led to the creation of this universe…big bang theory?okay then I pray to that:D
      I know one thing..if I had a cut and dry approach in life if I was an atheist or an agnostic I know I would go mad..I or maybe I am both these things and I dont know it yet…

      too complicated all the thoughts are right now..its a jumble ๐Ÿ™‚
      I think it is precisely because I have never been exposed to a very religious environment that I am able to ramble…I dont know ,atleast firsthand, what a very religious environment is like

  35. May 5, 2009 7:23 am

    Lovely post. My parents also have assorted Gods in their Puja ghar. I can relate to your post very well. It is a pleasure to know that there are so many people who share our views about religion, specially in times like these when people are spreading so much hatred in the name of religion.

    me- thanks ๐Ÿ™‚ I feel great when I know that there are so many who believe in the concept of live and let live...believe in their own faith without trying to force others…for so many of us it is a private thing…
    thanks Prerna ๐Ÿ™‚

  36. May 5, 2009 10:06 am

    i have too much to say n dont know where to start!

    religion is very personal.. and mostly it tends to be something we absorb from our immediate family..some people do tend to do their own thing but most follow the ways of their family. i dont think it matters if you dint have fixed rituals/pujas at home.. or that we gave a place to so many gods. i personally feel, more important that following rituals is to lead a good,honest life.. i dont think god cares too much if you prayed to Krishna or Christ.. but if you werent a good person, that wud be a problem.
    me-totally agree!!!
    yep! that says it all! whether one is a good human being

    regarding that line about unreligion-ness become fashionable…let me make a general statement… not in your specific context…i dont think its fashionable to be un-religious. i mean its a choice and anyone is free to make it.. but it doesnt make you hip or cool just coz you dnt believe in god.. i have been interacting with a lot of 20 somethings lately who think its totally cool to not care about god or religion.. thats fine by me… but when i see them in temples disrespecting the deity or making silly jokes, i dont like it. i mean if u dnt like temples, that fine.. if u dnt believe in god, thats fine too.. but if u are going to visit one(due to family pressure or watever) then behave yourself.. if not ofr ur sake than for the sake of others who are praying there..

    phew.. that was a loooong comment!

    me-

    .i dont think its fashionable to be un-religious. i mean its a choice and anyone is free to make it.. but it doesnt make you hip or cool just coz you dnt believe in god………but if u are going to visit one(due to family pressure or watever) then behave yourself.. if not ofr ur sake than for the sake of others who are praying there..

    absolutely agree! ! stupid behavior anywhere is just bad! and on top of it all shows the kind of upbringing those kids/adults must have had…and you know what>those who behave like this…I pity them coz when you believe or not believe in something then you had better stick by it..instead of making dumb jokes and showing how little confidence you have in your choices..that would be my analysis of such people ๐Ÿ˜€

    loved the long comment ๐Ÿ™‚ coz I agree with every single word ๐Ÿ™‚ ((hugs)))

  37. May 5, 2009 3:07 pm

    I was been coming here for the past 3 days with the intention of commenting on ur post but end up listening to all the songs…..seems like I’m hearing some of those bhajans after a looong time.
    Loved the 1st song, then the Om Jai Jagdish, & the classic suprabhatam & loved even OG’s Yar yar sivam….. Thank U:-))

    And your title is so apt…..Balm for the Soul:-))!!!!!!!!!

    me- thanks Nancy ๐Ÿ™‚ I loved those songs too ๐Ÿ™‚
    thank YOU for that comment ๐Ÿ™‚
    and you know one song that is actually just a song like any other but to me seems like a hymn/paean almost?
    this one by Enya..a classic by my standards , ๐Ÿ™‚ ONLY TIME (by ENYA)..I am in love with this song and the lyrics ๐Ÿ™‚
    (((hugs)))) ๐Ÿ™‚

  38. May 5, 2009 5:28 pm

    I am addicted to chants. Somehow they are such a stress buster. I think it is something to do with the beats and the rhythm rather than the words. I love Maula from Jodha Akbar and Bhaj Govindam and … oh well I guess I love them all

    me- me too Ritu ๐Ÿ™‚ chants have that something powerful dont they? I mean it s hard to explain really just thats something is there…maybe its the simplicity of the words…that still carry so much meaning…
    I had read somewhere that the reason chants in any language or faith are so powerful is because they echo/imitate the most primitive sounds made by man…..something that we instinctively recognize ..I love them all too ๐Ÿ™‚

  39. May 5, 2009 6:17 pm

    I didnt comment coz I am an aethist… I dont believe in God really.. nor do I like bhajans or any hyms… yea I do love Ek Onkar in RDB but as a song and nothing else.. I love Piya Haji ali… for the drum beats… and nothing else..

    So i just dittoed with the few that I thought were saying about what religion should be… be good and do good… and be a person with moral values.. !

    I am kinda one who listens to slam bang music even in the morning… Bryan adams singing.. I wanna be your #@$%#$^@ lol … or its Summer of ’69 or even Alice… !!! sheesh… I m hopeless aint I ???

    me- nah! not hopeless just cute and honest ๐Ÿ˜€
    but still would have loved your take on it..even if it was Bryan Adams ๐Ÿ˜€
    see?you should know by now that all your views are welcome here at this space ๐Ÿ™‚
    so you are more than welcome to share ๐Ÿ™‚

  40. May 5, 2009 6:18 pm

    and i should be the one to be stopping talking for being troubled unnecessarily !!!! ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    me-aww..Dhiren..who has troubled you?
    *tries to hide her face*
    you cant stop talking coz you are my buddy na?

    ๐Ÿ˜€

    • May 6, 2009 10:47 am

      I would never stop talking would i…. this stop talking is turning out to be the term to talk more… aint it… he he he….

      like i said.. I love you all… amazingly without meeting all of our bloggers… they are such an integral part of my life… ! really amazing !
      me- ๐Ÿ˜€ yeah that was to get you to talk ๐Ÿ˜€
      and you did! ๐Ÿ˜€
      I love this world too ๐Ÿ™‚
      and find it to be an amazing one too Dhiren ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Badz permalink
        May 13, 2009 12:34 am

        LoL! Watching you and Dhiren is so sweet. ๐Ÿ™‚

        me- aww thanks Badz
        I am Dhiren’s only Di in the blogosphere so I am officially allowed to call him Bhai ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Badz permalink
          May 14, 2009 2:36 am

          LoL! That’s fine. I’ll just settle for second best and make him my best mate. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          me- ๐Ÿ˜€

  41. May 5, 2009 7:06 pm

    Wow! Indyeah!!! Can’t add much more! Agree with everything you’ve said and what everybody else has in the comments! And what a collection of songs!! Wow!!!! That was a full library!
    What a beautiful post!

    It is sad that most of our problems today – across the world is due to ‘interpretations’ of religions.. Why does it have such a hold on us? I think most of us have been brought up with the concept that there are several ways to god (whether one believes in the concept of God or not, is another matter:)) and each religion – is just a path.. One is not better than the other – as they all lead to the same place…

    me-thanks Smitha ๐Ÿ™‚
    yes true…all religions/faiths/beliefs lead to the same god/place/destination…..
    even an atehist has full right to do what he/she feels like…
    why does it have such a hold on us? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ …if only one knew the answer… ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  42. May 5, 2009 10:20 pm

    Balm for the soul – a very rational, sensible, and uplifting post. Like Kislay says, “I do not think different religions have different Gods, there is just one , you have different forms and versions of him/her”. I too believe this. God is one but we can see Him in any form that suits us. This is so because He is omnipresent, and I believe this is fine too, as long as we do not think that He exists only in the form that we visualize Him in. It took me a long time to understand this simple fact….. I had to visualize the number of roles/names/versions that I had as a human before I could understand how many He would have.

    Each human interacts with me differently because he percieves me differently from how others do, and also because I have numerous roles, each one slightly different from the others… I am a father, a husband, a son, a brother, a worker, a manager….and so on. Each person approaches me, the same person, differently depending on his percepetion of my role and addresses me differently too depending on his relationship with me. I am same – I am NOT different for each one of them BUT their perception of me is different. God is one but we perceive Him differently based on our faith, belief and emotions.

    me-
    Each human interacts with me differently because he percieves me differently from how others do, and also because I have numerous roles, each one slightly different from the others… I am a father, a husband, a son, a brother, a worker, a manager….and so on. Each person approaches me, the same person, differently depending on his percepetion of my role and addresses me differently too depending on his relationship with me. I am same – I am NOT different for each one of them BUT their perception of me is different. God is one but we perceive Him differently based on our faith, belief and emotions.

    WOW!!just wow! at that comparison! ๐Ÿ™‚
    awesome!thank you so much!

  43. Badz permalink
    May 6, 2009 3:57 am

    Jai Shree Krishna!

    me-Oh MY gawd!! ๐Ÿ˜† look at the size of that comment ๐Ÿ˜€
    Indyeah faints ๐Ÿ˜€

    I couldnโ€™t resist. BUT thatโ€™s how I have been taught by my parents (mainly my mother and my nanny) to greet everyone (especially my elders).

    See I have been bought up in a religious and orthodox family. Where they strongly believe in religion and the caste system BUT my parents have ALWAYS taught us to respect all god and religion. We have a place of worship at home where we have all Hindu gods and goddesses. My family mainly believe in Bal Krishna (meaning baby Krishna) but bow down to all Gods.

    Mum has her own little Bal Krishna that she treat like her baby. Meaning sheโ€™ll wake up every morning at 5am shower and then wake her Lalaji up, leave him a glass of water so he can wash his mouth etc. Then 5/10 minutes later, sheโ€™ll get a bowl full of warm water and bath him. Then she will put some new clothes on him as well as jewellery (from the collection she has). Whilst dressing him, she will put also little perfume for him called aktar. Then she will read to him and do her prayers and mala, and leave some fruit, dry fruits and sugar crystals as well as sweet milk and water. Then at lunch time, her Lalaji will get the first dish of food, where mum will take a little bit of everything out for him (considering it doesnโ€™t contain onions and garlic), then we will get our food. I usually eat his food after he is finished with it as everyone else usually refuses. And mum now eats it as I am in hostel. Then after an hour or two, mum will put him to sleep so someone else in the world can worship him.
    me-aww that sounds cute ๐Ÿ™‚ we have a bal krihna too that is what I meant when I said laddu gopal or thakur ji ๐Ÿ™‚ but never saw any of this being done at home…quite interesting to read about it…:)

    Weโ€™ve also given him our own name. We (meaning my brother, my sister and I) have named him Kani and dad has named him Jagarnath. ๐Ÿ™‚ And my mumโ€™s bal Krishna is very moody. He has a sad face if he doesnโ€™t like the person that has come home or someone has said/did something to upset him. He throws his crown off, and drops his food on the floor if he is angry/upset. He comes out for walk during the evening or at night which you can tell because you can spell his scent. You can also smell his scent when he is hungry and my mum hasnโ€™t still given him food. Basically heโ€™s spoil (well we say meaning the kids say he is). Mum has bought him a 22 carat gold necklace and anklets. And He wear my gold earrings which my brother gave me for our first Rakasha Bandan.

    me-so cute ๐Ÿ™‚ a God that is more like playmate eh? ๐Ÿ˜€
    quite cute that concept is ๐Ÿ™‚

    So Iโ€™ve been bought up to become quite religious. I have my own little Mandir near my bed, where I have a photo of Maa Kali, a small statue of Maa Kali, two photos of Bal Krishna, a small picture of shreenathji bawa, a small 3D photo of Ganesh, a small statue Krishna (meaning grown up version), an A4 picture of Ram I recently was given and my guru whoโ€™s a moral leader. I also have a mala made from crystal and also a wooden one (not sure which wood). (My nanny has bought me my own Bal Krishna too). Weโ€™ve been bought up to fast on Gods/Goddesses birthdays. And my mother fasts on anything and everything. We donโ€™t eat meat (non-veg) or am not allowed to bring egg into the house. And in my nannyโ€™s house, you are not even allowed to sit at the dinner table or touch anything when you are on your periods.

    So I think you will get a picture of how religious we are/have been bought up to be.

    me- yes I do get the pic ๐Ÿ™‚

    Anyway, back to the point, your bhajans, chants, etc reminded of every morning at home waking up to all religious (Hindu) chants and bhajans. And it also reminds me on my uncleโ€™s (mamaโ€™s) shop where from the second it opens to the second it closes, thatโ€™s all you can hear. Bhajans and chants. And I have recently learnt, chants can put your mind at ease when you are scared, depressed, stressed, etc (all the negative things). Well it certainly helps me. ๐Ÿ™‚
    me- yes I like listening to chants when I want to relax ๐Ÿ™‚

    My personally belief on religion is that itโ€™s not important on which god/goddess you worship or not worship anyone but the type of person you are. I donโ€™t see the point of a person doing all these rituals and prayers and then insulting the people around him and killing/hurting everyone. Iโ€™d rather the person does no prayers or ritual and respect the people around him. Itโ€™s better to have clean heart and do no prayers than doing prayer and hurting everyone. And Iโ€™m sure youโ€™d agree with me.
    me- yes I agree ๐Ÿ™‚

    I mean I personally am very religious. Every morning after washing, I will do my prayers and the go to lectures and every night, I will do my malas, my prayers and then I will go to sleep. I like you have came up with my own prayer. All I say โ€œDear God, all the wishes I make, please make them come true and please forgive me if I have done anything wrong or hurt anyone in any way, Physically or mentally, intentional or unintentionally and please make that person forgive me too.โ€ Then I will do my malas and then chant 7 times to the gods/goddesses I believe in. And if I do every make a wish, it is never for me. Itโ€™s usually to ask to help someone or give them strength to keep fighting and achieve their goals; for someone to get their happiness back; for peace in the house when thereโ€™s been an argument, etc. I even wish for god to forgive them if they have hurt me or to give someone elseโ€™s pain to me in return for that person to get their happiness back and to be able to smile again. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Anyway, back to the point, all I am trying to say is it isnโ€™t important whether youโ€™re religious or not, itโ€™s more important to keep your heart clean and pure and doing right by others. โ€œTreat others how you would like to be treated yourself.โ€ I mean Iโ€™m religious, my sister is not. It doesnโ€™t make me any better than her. We still have the same principles on doing right by others. The only difference is, Iโ€™ll prayer etc, sheโ€™ll believe/worship from her heart.

    I also believe in Karma. What goes around comes around. You do wrong by others, one day you will get the same in return.

    I think you must be getting tired of reading. So Iโ€™ll write some more another day. ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜›

    me- no didnt get tired of reading ๐Ÿ˜€
    loved these lines
    My personally belief on religion is that itโ€™s not important on which god/goddess you worship or not worship anyone but the type of person you are. I donโ€™t see the point of a person doing all these rituals and prayers and then insulting the people around him and killing/hurting everyone. Iโ€™d rather the person does no prayers or ritual and respect the people around him. Itโ€™s better to have clean heart and do no prayers than doing prayer and hurting everyone.
    thanks for sharing Badz ๐Ÿ™‚ it was quite interesting to read ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Solilo permalink
      May 6, 2009 12:32 pm

      Indyeah needs to pass her comment monster crown to Badz. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

      me- ๐Ÿ˜† Indyeah agrees ๐Ÿ˜€
      and is happy to let it rest on Badz’s head now
      For the sheer size of that comment Badz deserves it
      my gawd! that comment! ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Badz permalink
        May 6, 2009 5:06 pm

        LoL! Yes I do deserve the crown don’t I. I can write for hours if I want to. I just have to feel passionate about the topic. And there’s a LOT I can say about religion. ๐Ÿ™‚ Hence I am going to leave another LONG comment for Indyeah to read soon. ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜‰

        me- nahinnn!!*faints again* keh do ki ye jhoot hai!
        ๐Ÿ˜†
        ek aur long comment? ๐Ÿ˜€

    • May 6, 2009 3:08 pm

      IT about time you start a blog!!!!!!

      • Badz permalink
        May 6, 2009 5:02 pm

        LoL! Like I explained before, I have exams coming soon. They start from 18th May and finish on 4th June. So I don’t see the point of starting them leaving it for 3 weeks. When I do start, I will let you know. I promise. ๐Ÿ˜‰
        me-okey dokey ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Badz permalink
      May 6, 2009 4:53 pm

      LoL Indyeah! I still have a LOT MORE to say. I just thought to give you a break from reading. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      And don’t worry the comments is as LONG as the last one if not LONGER!! ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜†

      me- longer?*faints*
      please tell me that was a joke ๐Ÿ˜€

  44. Badz permalink
    May 6, 2009 4:04 am

    Oh yeah I For got to say JAI SHREE KRISHNA to finish off. ๐Ÿ˜‰ LoL! And Jai Dev Jai Dev is buzzing in my head as well as Hai Ram. ๐Ÿ˜€

    me- ๐Ÿ˜€
    Jai Shree Krishna ๐Ÿ™‚

    • May 6, 2009 3:20 pm

      Jai Badz devi !!

      phew..

      me– Devi ! ๐Ÿ˜†

      • Badz permalink
        May 6, 2009 4:59 pm

        Dhiren! If you wish to call/make me devi, call me BADRIKA DEVI. That is my proper name. Badz Devi doesn’t sound right. ๐Ÿ™‚

        BTW Indyeah, Badrika is named after Badrinath on the Himalayas where Badri Vishal lives. ๐Ÿ™‚

        me-‘If you wish to?” wah! ye toh ekdum devi wali baat hai ๐Ÿ˜€ kinda like a you can call me just this mere mortal! ๐Ÿ˜€ Jai ho Badrika Devi ki ๐Ÿ˜†
        I feel like the member of a cult ๐Ÿ˜€

      • May 6, 2009 6:19 pm

        Seems people are very free to write such long comments…

        Bhagooooooooooo………. mar gaya… !!!

        me- rofl!
        so says the one who says mein bin kaam ke bhoj ka maara ๐Ÿ˜†

        • May 6, 2009 10:16 pm

          LOL!!! the competition has started between Indyeah and Badz….. ๐Ÿ™‚ for the crown!!!

          me- ๐Ÿ˜€

          • Badz permalink
            May 6, 2009 11:06 pm

            LoL! I’m not competing with Indyeah for the comment monster crown. I just wanted to write what I felt, believed and and how I’d been bought up. And besides, this wasn’t me orignal comment. Orignally I wrote around 5/6 pages on word with arial font size 10. ๐Ÿ˜‰ I’ll post the rest of it later on. ๐Ÿ˜›

            me- nahin nahin please ye crown aap rakhiye… le jaaiye le jaaiye ๐Ÿ˜€ only on one condition… bas apna original comment which is around 5/6 pages long on word with arial font size 10.
            use apne paas rakhiye ๐Ÿ˜€

            ๐Ÿ˜†
            just kidding ๐Ÿ˜€ share all that you want to ๐Ÿ˜€
            but this comment madness and leg pulling is fun too:) or we would go mad with the serious discussions ๐Ÿ˜€

          • May 7, 2009 2:33 am

            or you can start a blog and post it there!!!!! ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜›

            me-I agree ๐Ÿ˜€ waiting for her exams to finish so that she can start ๐Ÿ˜€

          • Badz permalink
            May 7, 2009 5:23 am

            Indyeah. Relax! I will not put SUCH a LONG comment for this post. (Well will try not to because I have A LOT to say.) I was just teasing you. BUT honestly speaking when I did originally write the comment, it was that long. I had to condense it down to 2 pages but cutting A LOT out. And because I cut soo much out, now I don’t remember what I wrote. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            me- ๐Ÿ˜€ arre I was kidding ๐Ÿ˜€ you are more than welcome to do so ๐Ÿ˜€

            you had to condense it?
            *looks at Badz in awe*
            seriously keep sharing:) you are always welcome here and so are your thoughts ๐Ÿ˜€

  45. May 6, 2009 7:18 am

    Interesting Post. The things you did not do while growing up cannot be defined as Religion. They are what is Rituals, What you see all around you today is Ritualism and not Religion. What you also see is a lot of Faith bashing because we have mistaken ritualism to be religion. We who do not read understand or write sanskrit, rely on the interpretations of lesser fools, corrupt self proclaimed gurus and ‘dharmrakshaks’ and either hate what we think is religion or practice and believe something which is way off mark.
    There are very few who honestly who follow their faith today..the rest are misguided or have turned to atheism or agnosticism out of frustration at what they see all around.

    Would love it if you could read and comment on my take on this at
    http://manukhajuria.blogspot.com/2009/04/no-apologies-for-being-religious.html

    me- yes we had no rituals as such..nothing that we were required to do…

    There are very few who honestly who follow their faith today..the rest are misguided or have turned to atheism or agnosticism out of frustration at what they see all around.

    I agree…but I still am neither an atheist nor an agnostic…I can go to any and all religious places and pray…and sometimes to none of them at all…because I feel like sitting at home and just listening to some soothing music/chants..
    I am still trying to see what it is that I want and believe in…

    read your post and liked it ๐Ÿ™‚

  46. May 6, 2009 7:28 am

    jyu naino mein putli, tyu maalik ghat maahi
    murakh log jaahi, baahar dhondan jaahi

    Well Kabir taking a potshot at religions is a wrong interpretation here…Kabir here is reiterating exactly what most faiths say and atleast I can say so for Hinduism.

    me-Thanks for that interpretation ๐Ÿ™‚ I suppose to each his/her own interpretation…:) you have written that this is something that each faith has inherent in itself…while I doubt it to an extent and think that each faith/religion is miles away from it…and that is why one has to realise that we are our own god…that there is nothing and no one called god…look inwards and find that power

    and like I said in the disclaimer..I merely copypasted the words of someone from an old Wordfile ๐Ÿ™‚
    thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

    “Sarvasya Chaham Hridya Sannivishto” : Bhagvad Geeta…….God resides within all of us …

    And yes Idol Worship became a part of Hinduism(which is a word bestowed upon us by the Gora Man, I would call it Vedic Religion/Culture) ..much much later ..in the third yuga in fact. Idol worship is a science and was introduced to help concentrate. I will do a post on it someday.

    me- that sounds interesting..will wait for your post ๐Ÿ™‚

  47. May 6, 2009 10:22 am

    Abhi, Listened to couple more songs here. Love the collection. I know where to stop next time when I want to listen to online chants.

    *muah*

    me- awww (((hugs)) muah ๐Ÿ˜€

  48. May 6, 2009 10:37 am

    really awesome post as always..the aim of every faith/religion is to transport one to that moment of bliss devoid of material wishes etc…it soothes the mind/heart..if you get that by chanting/by following a particular faith, or even by rock music/trance..any and everything that transports you there…coz that is the real religion!!!

    me-loved these lines .if you get that by chanting/by following a particular faith, or even by rock music/trance..any and everything that transports you there…coz that is the real religion!!!Dhiren would so agree with you ๐Ÿ˜€ and I do too ๐Ÿ˜€

  49. May 6, 2009 9:47 pm

    my best read of the day so far…..i absolutely agree with your views here. have saved this on my fav list . will listen to all that with time.

    me- Thanks Nitu ๐Ÿ™‚ welcome here:) do listen they are all beautiful..I am sure you know most of them:)

  50. May 7, 2009 6:30 am

    ****Warning LOOOOONG comment*****
    me-okay I am back ๐Ÿ˜€ and sorry for the long wait ๐Ÿ™‚
    on adiff note..are you out to steal my crown? ๐Ÿ˜›

    Maybe even longer than Badz ๐Ÿ™‚ (No I am not trying to take anyoneโ€™s crown ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

    me-dont believe you ๐Ÿ˜›

    Indyeah,
    Thank you for being open to discussion and taking the time to read my post. I was confused for a moment wondering where I should post my reply since you answered both on my blog and here. Finally, I decided to post my reply on your blog since the discussion started here ๐Ÿ™‚
    me-thank you ๐Ÿ™‚

    First let me start off by saying that it is OK to be confused. My journey towards reason and rationality started somewhat similarly quite a few years back and it wasnโ€™t a leap but a slow progression. Here is a short version.

    I come from a very devout family and I had been extremely devout since childhood. I remember times when I would spend literally hours meditating or chanting the Gayatri Mantra or praying to Lord Shiva (yes hours and I am not exaggerating) and reading every book on Hinduism I could lay my hands on. I would visit a nearby temple and sit there meditating quietly and actually “feel” the presence of God in me (which I later realized was a physiological process that can be felt without praying to any God). In fact, I probably spent more hours praying, meditating and reading religious books than the majority of your readers here. My parents were even afraid that I would become a monk or something. ๐Ÿ˜€ .

    me-hours??:D
    *looks at NN in awe*
    please let me know how one concentrates ๐Ÿ˜€ coz I cant seem to..:D I am quite impatient with anything…10 minutes is about all I give something ๐Ÿ™‚

    but seriously …yeah understand what you are saying ๐Ÿ™‚

    Later in life, when I was exposed to the rationalist and free-thought movement, I spent my first few years angry, confused and in total denial. I was angry with rationalists for trying to reason everything. Since I didnโ€™t have any convincing evidence for my beliefs, denying their point of view and being angry, at what I thought was their apparent โ€œfoolishness”, was the best internal defense I had to preserve my faith. Decades of brainwashing and self-delusion donโ€™t slip away that easily. I was convinced that I was right and these rationalists were wrong.

    “How can you reason God? He is beyond all reason,” I thought. โ€œThe very fact that I exist and that everything in this universe seems to be so perfectly ordained is enough proof that God existsโ€ I convinced myself. But I did not realize at that time that I was falling into the exact mental trap that so many have fallen before me – the unquestioning faith in something because some random prophet or swami said so. The Universe may be vast and we maybe in awe when we think about it but do that necessarily mean that the Universe is perfect? Does that mean there is a god? And, why should God be beyond all reason? I confess I did not look closely at such questions. I was doing exactly what most god believing people find themselves doing in such situations – closing their mind to other possibilities and shying away from any critical analysis of their beliefs for fear or losing it (You and many of your readers may have had different experiences and I am not trying to compare our experiences but merely stating mine)

    me- thats quite an experience NN..and I am glad that you shared…I am not god fearing however..:) I dont think there is a god at times..and then at other times..when I came close to losing a loved one..I prayed to someone…whom?I dont know…I needed to and that is all I know…my prayers were not to any god …but just to console myself ….

    As I became more and more exposed to the rationalist movement I found myself drawn towards it. Initially, what started off as an attempt to refute the arguments from rationalists soon turned out to be enlightening. My anger and confusion gave way to curiosity. I remembered what one of my maternal uncles (mama) once told me (a clichรฉ probably) – โ€œA man can escape everyone in this world but not his own conscience.โ€ So I decided, no matter what happened to my beliefs I was going to be as honest as possible with myself. If that meant losing my faith, so be it. So I spent the next couple of years analyzing my thoughts. I would spend hours debating with myself. I would write down an argument and then analyze it. I would look at both sides of an argument and judge the merits of each. I would read books, watch debates and talk to people to see where my arguments would fall apart.
    me- That was some thinking that you did!hats off for having had the courage to do that ๐Ÿ™‚

    As I learnt more, I could see where and how I was mistaken. For someone who had spent almost his entire life truly believing in something, it was an immensely painful experience to admit that he has been misguided and wrong all along. Someone who hasnโ€™t gone through this experience may actually find it ludicrous but believe me it was no fun. It was not a joyful thought to see my religious beliefs – the same beliefs which I have grown up with for years – falling apart like a house of cards. It was even harder to let go of the Gods I have grown up with since childhood. They were part of me. They were like my best friends. It was a sort of betrayal. Moreover I not only had to deal with my own struggle but my parents as well.

    me- that sounds so heartbreaking to read NN ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    and though I can barely even begin to imagine it…yet I can kind of understand….

    I often envy people who havenโ€™t grown up in as religious a household as me. For them to become an atheist/agnostic is so much easier. They donโ€™t have to worry about disappointing their parents or their peers as much I had to. They donโ€™t have to deal with the daily struggles of explaining to their parents why they chose to follow the path of reason instead of the path to faith, or the disappointed look on their parents’ faces when they refuse to join them in prayer at a family gathering. In fact, IMHO, I think that is probably why so many people remain believers inspite of their doubts, because they do not want to disappoint their parents or friends. Btw let me also clarify that I have seen many people who have become atheists/agnostics because of emotional reasons but for me it was not an emotional decision at all. It was my commitment to let reason and evidence lead me wherever it led me.

    me- yes I suppose it must be a feeling of envy…but NN the same is true in the opposte case…what if an athiest’s son/daughter decides to become religious as hell?

    anyway I am going off on adiff tangent..when I wanted to say that you sure turned out logical ๐Ÿ™‚ so that reasoning and all those debates were good then:)

    Indyeah, the reason I have been rambling on for so long is to let you know that you are not alone in being confused about your religious beliefs and feeling as if you may go mad ( I thought I will slide into immorality and go crazy without god in my life, but I donโ€™t think anything like that has happened since I became one) . In fact if you read about most rationalists who have had to leave their faith, you would not find much difference in their journeys.

    Feelings of confusion, anger or denial probably means that you are trying to be honest with yourself or at least that you are searching for the truth. Those are not bad as long as one is committed to reason and evidence. It will probably lead you to the path of reason ultimately, but even if it doesnโ€™t at least you will be happy that you tried.

    me-yeah feelings of confusion in the sense that I cannot define myself or my beliefs right now..or maybe I dont ever want to…..I am happy on this journey..because loved ones are on the same journey too ๐Ÿ™‚
    mad ?yes I do feel like that sometimes when I come across people who justify evil in the name of religion…and that convinces me that evil does indeed exist in this world in the form of these people...

    Well, I have already written a lot today, so I will not address anyoneโ€™s argument in particular (although Chrysalis’s comment looks tempting) and save it for another day/post. However if you have any questions for me, I would be happy to answer them.
    me- well…arguments are meant to be loud and boisterous ๐Ÿ˜€ as long as things return back to normal ๐Ÿ™‚ and everyone is still friends:) so its upto you as to what it is that you want to discuss ๐Ÿ™‚
    will def come with questions when I have them:) thanks for sharing NN:)

    me- let me recover from the faint headed feeling and I will reply ๐Ÿ˜€
    seriously that was some comment ๐Ÿ™‚ and I will be back in a moment ๐Ÿ™‚ and thank you so much for sharing ๐Ÿ™‚
    and err I do pass on the crown to you for today ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Badz permalink
      May 7, 2009 4:58 pm

      Hmmmm… I do understand what you are saying BUT it seems to me you have gone from one extreme to the other. I’m not trying to criticise you but I seems to me you didnโ€™t understand the true meaning of religion. And I donโ€™t mean all the things priests teach you I mean the really reason. Jesus, Ram, Krishna, etc are not God (well I donโ€™t believe they are) they are Kings/Queens/people with principles. And they have been made famous because of their theories and principles. And religious book are just guild lines to life. Its big priests etc that have twisted the words in those books and used them to their own advantage.

      You say you use to chant and meditate for hours. Why did you do it? To get closer to God? Iโ€™ve ALWAYS thought chanting and meditating is there to give oneโ€™s mind peace. To build up inner strength and confidence in oneโ€™s self. To relax oneโ€™s mind and soul after a busy and stressful day at work, school, etc. Not to get closer to God.

      I go to temples to bow down to Krishna, Ram, etc for their principles. To respect them. Not by think they are god. Dear Iโ€™ve been taught thereโ€™s god within all of us and respect one another. And Iโ€™m sure all the religious and non religious books say the same thing.I mean they say to fight for oneโ€™s right and for one’s justice E.g. If a man’s father raped that man’s wife, would that man not take his father to court and demand that court punish him for his crime? Or would that man not kill his father with his bare hands? Isnโ€™t that what the Bhagwat Geeta teaches you? Or isnโ€™t that what the law states? Both religious and non religious books are stating the same thing but in different way.

      Now I could go on BUT I will not. I think I have said enough. Sorry if I have offended you. What I have said isnโ€™t aimed directly at you just at what you have said. I am just stating my opinion on what I think. I am not telling you turn back to religion. What you do and decide is your business. No one has a right to tell you what you should and should not believe. I just told you what I thought and understood from what you have written.

      Sorry Indyeah for my long reply. Personally I think itโ€™s quite short considering how much longer I could have made it. ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • nitwitnastik permalink
        May 8, 2009 11:34 am

        Badz, first let me thank for your thoughtful comment and let me say that I appreciate your willingness to engage in civil discussion very much. No, I am not offended by your comment. Maybe, I should start publishing all the hate mail I have received from religious fundies to show how much I appreciate anyone willing to talk about these issues in a decent manner :-D. So lets talk

        Hmmmmโ€ฆ I do understand what you are saying BUT it seems to me you have gone from one extreme to the other.

        I don’t know if I have gone from one extreme to another, but I have surely changed my beliefs radically. And, I am not sure if changing sides is a bad thing. If I were a slave owner and then one day realized my mistake and subsequently joined the abolitionist movement, would you consider it bad? If I grew up believing that men are superior to women and then realized that it was wrong and joined the gender equality movement, would you consider it deplorable? Now which side you consider to be better is based on your judgement/opinion but as for me, I am actually pretty happy that I have chosen the path of reason and do not believe in an invisible sky-daddy anymore.

        Iโ€™m not trying to criticise you but I seems to me you didnโ€™t understand the true meaning of religion.

        Well badz, even though I think criticism is actually good in many circumstances, maybe we should refrain from making broad assumptions about one another. Just as I cannot assume before any discussion that someone doesn’t understand logic and reason, maybe you should try to hear me out before commenting on my ignorance and lack of understanding about religious matters.

        This sentence from you reminded me of myself. This is exactly what I used to think about rationalists a few years back. I used to say – ” they don’t understand the true nature of god”, ” they don’t understand the true nature of Hinduism”, “they don’t have the wisdom of our sages” etc etc. When someone says something like that (as I used to do) it generally means “I won’t listen to your argument any further because I have established myself as superior to you and I think I am right.”

        Such statements may sound condescending to anyone trying to have a discussion. I understand you probably didn’t do it deliberately but maybe we should be careful about it in the future.

        And I donโ€™t mean all the things priests teach you I mean the really reason. Jesus, Ram, Krishna, etc are not God (well I donโ€™t believe they are) they are Kings/Queens/people with principles. And they have been made famous because of their theories and principles.

        I didn’t quite understand what you meant by “the real reason”. Maybe you can elaborate. But let me congratulate you on your honesty and for not claiming rama/krishna as Gods. I totally agree with you although most Hindus won’t. However, I would like to take it a step further and say that I don’t even believe that they ever existed. In fact there is not a shred of historical evidence for Rama and Krishna. Yes, historical evidence and not some mythical story written by someone. Evidence is the what I base my decisions on (btw remember just because names of real cities are mentioned in the ramayana or mahabharata doesn’t make them true. Just as the mention of new york in spiderman comic books don’t make spiderman true).

        The reason I don’t pray to them is the same reason most people don’t pray to Harry potter or Superman (or at least that’s my assumption ๐Ÿ™‚ ). If you have read Harry potter or Superman comic books, you may find the exact same virtues in them as Rama or Krishna. They lived life according to the same principles as most of our gods – Bravery, self-sacrifice, clear sense of justice, honesty etc etc. They also have been made famous for their principles, but can you give me a convincing answer as to why people show such undue respect for two fictitious characters like Rama and Krishna and not to Superman or Harry potter? Why are they conferred such an exalted status by hindus when they are in no way superior to other mythical characters? Wouldn’t you say that is because of religious indoctrination and brainwashing?

        Some may say “well, that is their choice. Their right to freedom of expression”. And I would agree with it. If someone wants to pray to an invisible friend, by all means go ahead. As long as Rama and Krisna is not used to justify injustice, I don’t have anything to say to them. But here, all I am questioning is the basis for showing respect to some fictitious character when other fictitious characters of equal virtue aren’t shown that amount of respect? What is the basis for differentiating between the two?

        And religious book are just guild lines to life. Its big priests etc that have twisted the words in those books and used them to their own advantage.

        I guess you meant moral guidelines, right? Well I don’t have problem with books which provide moral guidelines. After all aesop’s fables also provide moral guidelines. Stories from the Panchatantra also provide moral lessons. Most fairy tales provide moral lessons too. So why should books like the Gita or Quran or Bible be considered sacred and put on a pedestal? Why should they be considered the word of God when all we have is some one’s words or claim that it is so. It is only when a book is considered the word of God that it is used to justify heinous acts. Do you think that we would have such a despicable social system as the varna or caste system without the Manu smruti claiming it to be the direct word of God? You yourself admit that big priests have twisted the words in the books for their own advantage. Do you think they would be as successful in forcing their ideas on others, had they not ascribed a higher authority to it? Do you think people would have accepted it as easily and with as much unquestioning faith, had they not considered it to be from God? Isn’t it why higher powers were attributed in the first place?

        You say you use to chant and meditate for hours. Why did you do it? To get closer to God? Iโ€™ve ALWAYS thought chanting and meditating is there to give oneโ€™s mind peace. To build up inner strength and confidence in oneโ€™s self. To relax oneโ€™s mind and soul after a busy and stressful day at work, school, etc. Not to get closer to God.

        Badz, having read quite a bit on yoga and meditation, I am afraid I don’t quite agree with you on this. Although I do agree that meditation provides peace of mind. What you claim is *NOT* the primary purpose of yoga and meditation. I am not sure how much you have read about meditation and yoga but given your statement, I feel you are probably referring to Hatha Yoga. You may want to read up a bit more on yoga in general or and try to read the yoga sutras of patanjali and try and understand the path of Raja Yoga or Kriya Yoga. It is mentioned (as ashtanga yoga ) even in the bhagavad gita as one of the means of attaining the supreme. Swami Vivekananda has also talked about it in length so you may also want to read one of his books.

        I go to temples to bow down to Krishna, Ram, etc for their principles. To respect them. Not by think they are god.

        If your definition of religion is bowing down to people you respect, then let me assure you that I am also a very “religious” person except that I do not attend temples and I do not bow down to fictitious characters in fairy tales. I bow down to the towering genius of Aryabhatta, Ramanujan, Einstein,Tesla,Darwin etc. I bow down in awe and reverence of their achievement and not because I consider them Gods.

        Dear Iโ€™ve been taught thereโ€™s god within all of us and respect one another. And Iโ€™m sure all the religious and non religious books say the same thing. I mean they say to fight for oneโ€™s and for justice. E.g. If a manโ€™s father raped that manโ€™s wife, would that man not take his father to court and demand that court punish him for his crime? Or would that man not kill his father with his bare hands? Isnโ€™t that what the Bhagwat Gita teaches you? Or isnโ€™t that what the law states? Both religious and non religious books are stating the same thing but in different way.

        Again I fail to understand your point or your analogy so please elucidate. Btw, do you accept anything that is taught to you? If not, have you ever challenged the premise of “thereโ€™s god within all of us “? How do you know there is god within us? Where is the evidence?

        Btw, I am not against respect for another, and if religious and non-religious books say the same thing why do we need religion with all it’s extra baggage.

        Now I could go on BUT I will not. I think I have said enough. Sorry if I have offended you. What I have said isnโ€™t aimed directly at you just at what you have said. I am just stating my opinion on what I think. I am not telling you turn back to religion. What you do and decide is your business. No one has a right to tell you what you should and should not believe. I just told you what I thought and understood from what you have written.

        Badz, again let me thank you for the civil discussion and for taking the time to comment. I may not get time to reply to you immediately but will get back to you when I have a chance. If you want, we can continue this discussion elsewhere ,either on my blog or though emails so as not to bother the other commenters who have subscribed to the comment feed of this post.

        this is INDYEAH- ๐Ÿ™‚ just a quick word in … feel free to have the discussion here…I have absolutely no problems .. its interesting to read ๐Ÿ™‚
        upto you both completely ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Badz permalink
          May 13, 2009 5:55 am

          Right. First of all, Iโ€™d like to apologise for not write back sooner. As youโ€™re probably aware, I have exams starting next week so need to prepare for them. Plus I went home Friday and returned back on Monday. So not really read any post nor really commented to anything over the weekend.

          Secondly, Iโ€™m sorry to hear you receive hate mail. BUT after reading certain posts, I understand why you get it (not that I agree with that manner) because (even though I look at the funny side of it and laugh) a lot of people will take offence from it and will lash out on you for โ€œdisrespectingโ€ their beliefs. Personally, it make no difference to me what you write because (I believe) everyone is entitle to an opinion and should be free to express themselves. I mean it is your blog at the end of the day. You should be allowed to write what you want. If people donโ€™t like it, they shouldnโ€™t visit it or discuss what they feel in a civilise manner (like myself ๐Ÿ™‚ ). BUT I guess the world doesnโ€™t work like that. ๐Ÿ˜•

          Now to the discussion. I get the impression I kind of offended you by saying

          โ€œIโ€™m not trying to criticize you but I seems to me you didnโ€™t understand the true meaning of religion.โ€

          Because you said

          โ€œSuch statements may sound condescending to anyone trying to have a discussion. I understand you probably didnโ€™t do it deliberately but maybe we should be careful about it in the future.โ€

          Now it definitely wasnโ€™t my intension to offend you. And most certainly didnโ€™t want to patronize you. I just said what I thought/felt at the time of writing. But I guess you are right to say I should choose my words wisely. I apologize for my ignorance. Iโ€™m sorry! ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

          What I meant by the โ€œreal reasonโ€ was the teaching of Ram, Krishna, Jesus etc. Meaning their philosophy and their theories to life. I donโ€™t know if there is any historical evidence of their existence. Personally I wouldnโ€™t expect there to be. I mean there will be no proof/evidence a thousand years along the line that you and I existed. It doesnโ€™t mean we didnโ€™t. BUT the people writing the book may have twisted reality. I believe religion started off like โ€œChinese whispers.โ€ What I mean by Chinese whispers is that words and theories get twisted by peoplesโ€™ lack of understanding/remembering was originally said so they add their own little bit to it to make up for it. For example, you tell me a true story. I tell someone else that story but cut bits out. Then someone else tells that story and add some of his own bits to it. Then by the time it gets to the 100th person, the original story is lost.

          You said:

          โ€œIf you have read Harry potter or Superman comic books, you may find the exact same virtues in them as Rama or Krishna. They lived life according to the same principles as most of our gods โ€“ Bravery, self-sacrifice, clear sense of justice, honesty etc. They also have been made famous for their principles, but can you give me a convincing answer as to why people show such undue respect for two fictitious characters like Rama and Krishna and not to Superman or Harry potter? Why are they conferred such an exalted status by Hindus when they are in no way superior to other mythical characters? Wouldnโ€™t you say that is because of religious indoctrination and brainwashing?โ€

          I havenโ€™t read either of those books/comics BUT I do know the stories. Yes you are right they do illustrate the same principles and heroism as Ram and Krishna and all other gods. But you could say maybe the author of the books did base is ideas on Ram, Krishna, etc because we are hero worshipers and always what the good to win over bad/evil. I mean (I believe) these religious books (and harry potter & superman ๐Ÿ˜† ) are there as guidelines to life. i.e. To never give up in life. To fight for your rights, etc.

          And I do accept Hindu dictators/priest do brainwash us to think that Ram and Krishna are gods etc. BUT like I said before, I respect and bow down to them for their principles to life. Same way, I respect scientists for their inventions, and doctors for their medicines, etc.

          โ€œI guess you meant moral guidelines, right? Well I donโ€™t have problem with books which provide moral guidelines. After all Aesopโ€™s fables also provide moral guidelines. Stories from the Panchatantra also provide moral lessons. Most fairy tales provide moral lessons too. So why should books like the Gita or Quran or Bible be considered sacred and put on a pedestal? Why should they be considered the word of God when all we have is some oneโ€™s words or claim that it is so. It is only when a book is considered the word of God that it is used to justify heinous acts. Do you think that we would have such a despicable social system as the Varna or caste system without the Manu smruti claiming it to be the direct word of God? You yourself admit that big priests have twisted the words in the books for their own advantage. Do you think they would be as successful in forcing their ideas on others, had they not ascribed a higher authority to it? Do you think people would have accepted it as easily and with as much unquestioning faith, had they not considered it to be from God? Isnโ€™t it why higher powers were attributed in the first place?โ€

          Yes I did mean moral guidelines. To the answer to your first, I really donโ€™t know why they are kept on a pedestal. I keep the Bhagavad Gita I have with all the other books (meaning novels) I personally havenโ€™t given it a special place or on a special stand at home. And I certainly havenโ€™t wrapped it up in a special cloth like people do. In fact, itโ€™s at home now gathering dust because I didnโ€™t finish reading it before leaving to start university this year. And my mother doesnโ€™t have a special place for her religious books either. She just keeps them in a cupboard in her room with her recipe books, digital camera amongst other things (canโ€™t remember what else is in her cupboard but you get the picture).

          My parents always taught me to respect all books in the same manner. They are there to educate you and teach one thing or the other. i.e. Textbooks for your education and gita to teach you the morals of life, law books to teach you the norms of society. They call it VIDYA (what Vidya actually means I donโ€™t know because English is my first language. BUT I think it means knowledge or teaching).

          And I donโ€™t believe the things written in any holy book are words of god. Nor do I believe in the caste system. You ask if big priests would be successful in forcing ideas to other. Well they have been successful and like I have mentioned before they twist words for their own advantage which is why they are in the position they are.

          โ€œBadz, having read quite a bit on yoga and meditation, I am afraid I donโ€™t quite agree with you on this. Although I do agree that meditation provides peace of mind. What you claim is *NOT* the primary purpose of yoga and meditation. I am not sure how much you have read about meditation and yoga but given your statement, I feel you are probably referring to Hatha Yoga. You may want to read up a bit more on yoga in general or and try to read the yoga sutras of Patanjali and try and understand the path of Raja Yoga or Kriya Yoga. It is mentioned (as Ashtanga Yoga ) even in the Bhagavad Gita as one of the means of attaining the supreme. Swami Vivekananda has also talked about it in length so you may also want to read one of his books.โ€

          NN (I hope youโ€™re ok with me calling you that) Iโ€™ll be honest with you and tell you havenโ€™t ever read any yoga or meditation books. So I canโ€™t discuss with you or contradict with you to say you are wrong. I did start reading the Bhagavad Gita and I have came across a chapter (I think it was a chapter ๐Ÿ˜• ) where it talks about yoga and meditation BUT donโ€™t remember the exact word. Nor do I have the book with me to check or even quote to you what exactly it says. All I can say, a lot of people in the UK are not religious nor do they follow the Hindu faith BUT still meditate and do yoga for relaxation. But I will certainly have a look when returning home for the summer break and come back to you on that point on whether it came across as religious to me or not.

          By the way, I know this has nothing to do with the discussion BUT I wanted to know, how did you keep your concentration during meditation and praying for several hours? What is the secret in doing that? I canโ€™t seem to do it anymore. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ My mind wonders elsewhere. ๐Ÿ˜• If you donโ€™t mind, can you tell me please?

          โ€œAgain I fail to understand your point or your analogy so please elucidate. Btw, do you accept anything that is taught to you? If not, have you ever challenged the premise of โ€œthereโ€™s god within all of us โ€œ? How do you know there is god within us? Where is the evidence?โ€

          In my example, I was trying to give you a situation where a man rapes is daughter-in-law and the son (daughter-in-lawโ€™s husband) demands justice in a court of law. Maybe it was a bad example but I was trying to highlight to you that both religious books (e.g. Bhagavad Gita) and non religious books (Law books) say the same thing but in different way. That you should fight for oneโ€™s rights and justice no matter whom it is. Whether itโ€™s your own father of a stranger on the street.

          And you are right there is no evidence to say there is a god within all of us. And yes I have questioned it. But I guess you get told that so people DO respect one another. So it is there to โ€œscareโ€ people. Itโ€™s like telling a child during Christmas that if you are naughty Santa wonโ€™t bring you any present. When in reality Santa Claus doesnโ€™t exist. (I know itโ€™s a bad example BUT I canโ€™t think of anything but Iโ€™m sure you understand what I am trying to say.)

          โ€œBtw, I am not against respect for another, and if religious and non-religious books say the same thing why do we need religion with all its extra baggage.โ€

          You are right to question ask this question BUT unfortunately I donโ€™t have the answer. But I guess (hope) people prayer; carry our ceremonies, etc out of choice. I know there are people out there (e.g. Mother-in-laws) that force other people (e.g. Daughter-in-laws) to do such thing. Personally I disagree with that. No one should make anyone do anything they donโ€™t want to or believe in. I mean no one forced you to become an atheist same way no one forced me to believe in religion and praying (although people have tried by saying you should do this prayer and that prayer. And you shouldnโ€™t do this and you shouldnโ€™t do that. e.g. you shouldnโ€™t drink alcohol).

          Well again I will apologize for the late response and also if I have offended/upset you in the past or even today. NN, I have nothing against you and Iโ€™m sure you donโ€™t have anything against me (well I hope you donโ€™t) I just wanted to challenge your thoughts and actually try and understand what made you change your mind on what you believe in. And I donโ€™t see anything wrong with discussing/debating about it as long as it is done in the correct manner. Now I may not respond as quickly if you reply to this because, as youโ€™re aware, my exams start from Monday so need to revise otherwise I will fail and I canโ€™t exactly blame โ€œsky-daddyโ€ for that if itโ€™s my own fault. ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜›

          P.S. I will have to do my homework before I reply to you again. Because as you have most probably worked out, I donโ€™t know all these religious books in as much detail as you. Hence I found it quite difficult to respond to a lot your questions. See my parents have never forced me to read such books. I purchased The Bhagavad Gita with my own choice because I became fascinated/interested on what it was teaching and also I wanted to learn about my own religion. ๐Ÿ™‚

          P.P.S. Indyeah. Thank you for allowing us to have this discussion here. BTW, can I have my crown back for this comment? ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜›

          me- no problem ๐Ÿ˜€
          it is an intersting discussion ๐Ÿ™‚

          ๐Ÿ˜† yeah it already is yours even before you asked ๐Ÿ˜€
          coz gawd the comment is just well long eh? ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Badz permalink
            May 14, 2009 4:23 am

            LoL! Yes. I got a bit carried away. It took me ages to write. ๐Ÿ˜•

            me- but seriously thank you for sharing Badz ๐Ÿ™‚ this was so darn interesting to read ๐Ÿ™‚ seriously!
            loved it ๐Ÿ™‚

          • May 18, 2009 7:31 pm

            Thank You! ๐Ÿ˜€ I think NN must have gotten busy. No reply.
            me- you are welcome ๐Ÿ˜€
            yep! he is very busy these days ..barely is able to post..and answer any comments on his own ๐Ÿ™‚
            he is a sweetheart who respects the view points and takes out the time to debate ๐Ÿ™‚

            have to say Badz and NN that WAS an interesting discussion for sure:)
            I liked that discussion ๐Ÿ™‚

          • May 20, 2009 2:12 am

            Yes. I have visited his blog a few times and commented. He seems like honest and understanding guy. He even makes the effort to explain if you are unsure about anything he has written/commented. ๐Ÿ™‚
            me- absolutely! thats why I like his views on atheism ๐Ÿ™‚
            coz unlike others he is not bitter or obsessed with religion or obsessed with getting others into his ‘fold’
            (forgive that stupid PJ NN :D)

          • May 20, 2009 2:44 am

            LoL! I think he’s been on the other side aswell. Meaning (I believe) he was really religious and now he’s not hence he does understand.

            And I personally was trying to understand what exactly he went through and made him change his mind and become an atheist.
            me- ๐Ÿ™‚

  51. Solilo permalink
    May 7, 2009 8:43 am

    Abhi, I see that you have some strong competition in long comments area. Before you lose your TITLE, I want to gift you something. ๐Ÿ˜€

    To a friend whose comments brightens my day

    me-awww….(((hugs)))putting up the pic right now! ๐Ÿ˜€
    you are a sweetheart :))
    Now I am going to hold onto the title for dear life ๐Ÿ˜€

    but NN is giving me competition too ๐Ÿ˜†

    • Badz permalink
      May 7, 2009 5:24 pm

      Awww! How sweet! She is the comment queen isn’t she. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      me- awww… ๐Ÿ˜€ thanks Badz ๐Ÿ˜€
      PS:-What is your email id?I tried this one and dont know whether it works or not…

      • Badz permalink
        May 7, 2009 11:02 pm

        Well it did work. ๐Ÿ™‚

        me- ๐Ÿ˜€ yes it did and you are a sweetheart ๐Ÿ™‚ ((hugs)))

    • May 11, 2009 2:35 pm

      Solilo ๐Ÿ™‚ You got that one right too ๐Ÿ™‚ What a beautiful crown ๐Ÿ™‚
      me – Ushus am I fortunate or what? :)to have her here ๐Ÿ™‚ and you too ๐Ÿ™‚ whom both of us love ๐Ÿ™‚ you know that ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Badz permalink
      May 13, 2009 12:50 am

      Yes. NN is giving us all a run for our money. ๐Ÿ˜‰
      me- nah!even I thought so before I read your latest comment Badz ๐Ÿ˜€

  52. May 7, 2009 2:21 pm

    why are you feeling WTF ??

    • May 7, 2009 2:33 pm

      will tell you in a post of mine…I am furious because of some thoughts right now…

      • Badz permalink
        May 7, 2009 11:24 pm

        So…. When do we get see your new post?
        me- ๐Ÿ˜€ I have barely even started writing… something or the other is coming up… ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

        • Badz permalink
          May 8, 2009 12:42 am

          Awwww. Poor you. I hope you don’t get any more obstacles in your way, and you write the new post soon. ๐Ÿ™‚
          me- ๐Ÿ™‚ thank you

      • May 7, 2009 11:31 pm

        is the the new post?? that is making your furious! ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜›

        me- yeah OG the new post is my take on a topic that seems to be never ending,……but have not been able to start writing yet ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
        all of a sudden there are too many chores to be done right when I sit down to write the post ๐Ÿ˜€

  53. tearsndreams permalink
    May 8, 2009 9:20 am

    I was totally brought up like that.
    Going to temple was a once a year thing and it always left me confused because there were so many Gods. I just used to repeat the same prayer before every God.
    And we had a similar, cramped Mandir at home. Mom has never been into Puja. I actually went through a phase where I resented the fact that she was so different. Now I am just thankful.
    I always had a nameless, faceless God too. But once I prayed really hard for something and a friend gave me a Sai Baba book to read. So I now imagine him as someone who is watching over me as a guardian angel.
    So I also like the song “shirdi wale Sai Baba…” too filmi but works for me coz I dont know any Bhajans ๐Ÿ™‚

    me-welcome here tears anddreams:)
    that sounds really nice.. yes it is great when parents don’t force anything on one.. ๐Ÿ™‚
    nameless faceless god .. yeah that just about sounds like me and how I thought when I was a kid ๐Ÿ˜€
    …filmy or not..whatever works….works ..so to each his/her own:) ๐Ÿ™‚

  54. May 8, 2009 11:40 am

    has it been only a couple of days since we began interacting? how come it feels like its been much longer?

    virtual vibes???!!!!!!

    ๐Ÿ˜€ hugs!

    me- awww((((hugs))right back ๐Ÿ˜€

  55. May 8, 2009 3:35 pm

    I love the 16th and 17th, I am avery religious person, but I always feelthat the people who are atheist are very strong mentally, I consider myself very weak that way, because I need the support of my god all the time.

    We are all religious in my family, but then we respect all other religions also,Like I always go to Dargahs also with the same faith.

    me- Welcome here Renu:) How are your vacations going? ๐Ÿ™‚

    Why weak?:) Everyone has their belief system..whatever it may be..and that gives them courage.. your lines reminded me of a close friend coz she too has her own belief and that gives her courage… She is religious as far as the definiton of the word goes…and is a lovely person… just like you:)

    We are all religious in my family, but then we respect all other religions also,Like I always go to Dargahs also with the same faith.
    exactly..that says it all:) doesnt it?:) that right there is respect

    Enjoy your vacations!:)
    (((hugs)))

    • May 11, 2009 2:35 pm

      Thank u Abhilasha:) In ur blog comment section, I kind of feel lost:), so I always read evrything, but dont write any comment everytime as there are so many people saying so much:)

      me- You are most welcome Renu ๐Ÿ™‚

      I too feel lost in my comment section at times ๐Ÿ˜€
      even if you dont write thats fine coz I know you will read ๐Ÿ™‚

  56. nitwitnastik permalink
    May 8, 2009 10:11 pm

    Indyeah, Thanks for allowing us to continue the discussion here.

    arguments are meant to be loud and boisterous as long as things return back to normal

    LOL !!..well I hope my arguments were not as loud and boisterous

    me- no thanks required …you guys are most welcome ๐Ÿ™‚
    nah!they were not.. loud and boisterous ๐Ÿ™‚ quite thought provoking infact ๐Ÿ˜€

  57. May 9, 2009 1:00 pm

    Will tell you a small story. Way back in 1997, a girl was gang raped and killed; her body found in the garage of an MLA quarter in a capital city of a derelict state in India. Everyone in city knew who was the culprit except the police and later the CBI. After a shoddy investigation and destruction of most evidences, the case was given to CBI.

    CBI gave a clean chit to the culprit. In fact the DNA sample of the culprit was never taken for matching with CBI giving the excuse , “The accused refused to cooperate”. They could not force the accused to comply because he was the loving brother of the “Lady Chief Minister” and brother in law of the De-facto chief minister. After an apology of court proceedings, the courts acquitted the culprit.

    There was a boy who live in another part of the town and although not related to the girl in any way, was affected by it very much. After the acquittal of the “sagely” accused, he hope that god will impart justice. He asked the god to prove its existence as a god who cannot do justice is pretty useless in his opinion.

    The justice was never done, the girl’s family suffered more, her brother was abducted when he tried to get the case reopened and so many other things. The accused on the other hand became and MP, got richer and climbed the stairs of success.

    This is how that boy became a staunch Atheist and has remained so till date.

    me- That is really tragic …heartbreaking and yet very true…I think I know this case..is this Bihar ?

    the CBI as we all know is nothing more than a stooge for certain political parties…

    but the confusion and heartache of a little boy is totally understandable as well as the reasons for turning an athiest…
    for those who believe in god ,god is not a superhero .. I think it is more of a source of comfort ..rather than anything else…but yes for a little boy it must have been as heartbreaking as breaking the illusion of santa claus….Da eternal rebel….your name makes much more sense now…and the strength is visible too in your words at your space..

  58. May 9, 2009 1:17 pm

    Being an Atheist is quite difficult. You have no one to turn and pray to if you are surrounded by problems. You are all alone in all your battles of life. From my experience I can say that this loneliness is very scary at times, but then for some, this revolt against the god is a matter of principles. You cannot go back.

    me- I have friends who are staunch athiests and I have seen how tough it is for them…and reading your words I realise how tough it is for you too….
    but would love to say one thing..you are one strong individual to have gone through all that and to stand stronger than ever…keep going …

    • May 15, 2009 11:25 pm

      on the other hand, being an athiest is also much simpler….. I have so many frds…. who are staunch commies……… ๐Ÿ™‚
      They are not bound by the rules, we are…….

      me- yep thats true too ๐Ÿ™‚ though I guess to each his/her own..Athiesm seems to be a bit of a cut and dry affair to me sometimes…I dont think I would be able to survive it ๐Ÿ™‚
      A quote
      In some awful, strange, paradoxical way, atheists tend to take religion more seriously than the practitioners. ~Jonathon Miller

  59. Ana Cristina permalink
    May 9, 2009 8:50 pm

    While my faith has not always been a constant thing in my life, I find that the worse the world gets, the more I want to cling to it.

    By the way, I am totally stealing that mood picture in your right sidebar. Too cute!

    xoxo
    me- ๐Ÿ™‚ you have said it so succintly Ana ๐Ÿ™‚
    I sometimes find myself doing the same too….

    you can steal the mod pic ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€ I too stole it from a darling friend’s blog ๐Ÿ˜€

    (((hugs))))

  60. May 10, 2009 12:30 pm

    awesome!! thank u for such enlightening post.

    me-thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

  61. May 11, 2009 3:01 pm

    A Balm for the soul indeed this has been, the read of the post, the comments, reading and re reading parts that many have shared here, I wonder at how lucky some have been in not having been indoctrinated, or even mildly pushed into following a religion, or a certain God/Gods.

    me- thank you so much Ushus ๐Ÿ™‚

    You express yourself with such passion, and with such conviction, even when you are searching for answers and seeking to know, that it is always a joy to be here, and share in your expression, not to mention the overflow , all of which are spontaneous to me, as I read them ๐Ÿ™‚ , of comments, opinions, sharing, all so varied, and yet the agree to disagree, and willingness to accept finally makes this place a sort of microcosm, of persons, and beliefs ๐Ÿ™‚
    me- thank you thank you thank you ๐Ÿ™‚
    love you for this ๐Ÿ™‚

    Personally speaking, I have my beliefs, most of them I grew up with, but an equal fondness to visit other places of worship ๐Ÿ™‚ In many trying times in life, my faith has been a support that I could not have done without… maybe because I could not find the strength within, and had to seek that solace , but then that is how it is for me. I believe, and that belief has sustained me ๐Ÿ™‚ I could never bring myself to the whys and wherefores, maybe because I do not want to, ๐Ÿ™‚ but within me, it is there, the faith, and the belief, and I say my prayers too ๐Ÿ™‚ And though there was no coercion, perhaps watching my mother visit the temple regularly, having listened to most of the bhajans you have shared here, all of that have worked to create and sustain the feeling. Dad was just the opposite, but he never stopped mom doing what she wanted to ๐Ÿ™‚ And we kids were never forced to go to the temple, though it became a sort of annual thing, when we visited our grandparents in our Native place ๐Ÿ™‚
    me- that is your essence Ushus …of who you are…this willingness that you write of…to visit other places…my parents are just liek yours Ushus :)dad is an athiest and mom prays more often than not..not a traditinal prayer with diyas lamps et al..but def a quiet chanting that soothes…
    this no coercion is so important is it not Ushus? that I think is the key to it all
    I seek solace just as you do Ushus and if that makes me weak then so be it

    For me, being back in that background, I have found a peace in doing alot of what my mother used to ๐Ÿ™‚ And rather enjoying it. But none of it, to date has been because i feel that it will cause some harm, if I dont ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ Luckily ๐Ÿ™‚
    me-knew you would say this..you are just you…rational passionate logical and yet a dreamer above all ๐Ÿ™‚

    And my prayers? Be with the kids, [each one, everywhere… :)], and Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu ๐Ÿ™‚ Let Peace and Happiness Prevail ๐Ÿ™‚
    me-beautiful !!!that is a prayer for all of humanity ๐Ÿ™‚

    I liked the first Suprabhatham ๐Ÿ™‚ Very soothing, even with that music ๐Ÿ™‚
    me-:D knew you would love it ๐Ÿ™‚

    Have you heard these hymns?

    1. Amazing Grace

    2. Morning has broken, sung by Cat Stevens

    Embedding disabled ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    me- beautiful Hymns these Ushus..had heard the first one long back and instantly #fell in love with it..have never heard the second one but love it too now ๐Ÿ™‚
    thank you for sharing these ๐Ÿ™‚

    Thank you Indygurl ๐Ÿ™‚
    me-thank YOU Ushus for the words so beautifully shared here ๐Ÿ™‚
    (((hugs)))

  62. May 13, 2009 6:45 pm

    “….has become a deplorable fashion these days” using these words for anything and everything the newer generation does has been in existence since times immemorial!! In fact it is downright funny to listen to people say it.

    me- where have you been all my life? ๐Ÿ˜€ someone who says THAT is mY best friend ๐Ÿ˜€
    you find it funny! awesome!with a capital A I might add ๐Ÿ˜€
    *says a silent prayer to god for letting such pious souls exist in this world*
    ๐Ÿ˜€
    you reminded me of darling Ushus ๐Ÿ˜€

    Loved your post and the collection of music posted. As for MS, I have a soft corner for her Annamacharya songs. Have you heard that??
    me-thank you so much ๐Ÿ™‚
    no have not heard that one..will now though ๐Ÿ˜€ off to search for it ๐Ÿ™‚

    PS:-Did I mention how happy I am to see you here?:D

    • May 14, 2009 10:08 pm

      Lol, Usha and I seem to have a lot in common. BTW there is something which I am diligently searching for said by some Greek philosopher whose name I have forgotten, about the next generation (his) which sounds remarkably, nay exactly the same, as what people say in the present age. I want it badly to throw that into the face of anyone who goes “Today’s generation…. blah blah and blah!” (Naughty me!)

      me- you rock Shail! ๐Ÿ˜€
      and ‘wise you’ I might add ๐Ÿ˜€

      Doesn’t it seem even more funny when you think that even the Greeks said the same thing of the next generation??!!! I have heard a lot of ‘Today’s generations …blah blah blah” from my own parents. And it amused/amuses me no end to hear my own peers repeating it. What takes the cake is the 20 somethings just stepping into parenthood talking of the new gen. in disparaging tones. Now that has me roflol and rolling my eyes coz this is the third set I am hearing in this single life-time!! ๐Ÿ˜›
      I wonder when people will accept that the next gen is going to be different from the previous one! Besides, hello!! Wake up folks and take responsibility. ‘YOU’ who go “Today’s generation…. blah blah and blah” are exactly the ones who are responsible for the next gen being the way they are!!
      me- ๐Ÿ˜€ won my heart with these lines up there you did ๐Ÿ˜€
      this is an ongoing ‘battle’ isnt it? one simply wonders ๐Ÿ™‚
      so agree with all your words! ๐Ÿ˜€
      Now I know why you are such a rocking mom! ๐Ÿ˜€

      Pssst! Am I a comment monster?? (I saw the term used somewhere recently while blog-hopping)

      me- ๐Ÿ˜†

      you saw it here or in context of Indyeah probably ๐Ÿ˜€
      yeah join the gang! ๐Ÿ˜€
      Comment monsters are a rare species…
      psst…- in the blogosphere we are being hunted like crazy ๐Ÿ˜€
      coz quite a few headaches have resulted coz of our comments ๐Ÿ˜€
      you are a certified true blue comment monster !!!! ๐Ÿ˜† !

      • Solilo permalink
        May 15, 2009 2:26 am

        Shail, I am a fan. I absolutely love your thoughts on various subjects and your cool attitude.

        me- count me in too ๐Ÿ˜€

  63. May 15, 2009 12:17 am

    You are correct when you pointed out that the younger generation dismisses religion by the name and name alone. The songs you have given are good examples of religion encouraging art forms and shaping them. There are philosophies too, which were shaped as a part of religions proceedings. But there are blind beliefs too…. The ones that are supposed to bring a lot of prosperity without having to work for it. Even the works related to religions – epics like Ramayana or Mahabharata convey the messages in a succinct and an appropirate manner so that the layman could also understand the morals behind them. Religions have no doubt developed art but in a controlled environment.

    I somehow think that it doesn’t matter if someone is religious or not. We have tried to bring eternal happiness through religion and failed. Now we are trying to bring the same through science and technology. And even in future we will keep trying. I think that is meant to be the essence of life!!

    Destination Infinity

    me- welcome here DI ๐Ÿ™‚
    yes I agree it is the blind belief that is a problem …why just religion…blind belief/trust is a problem anywhere in life…hai na?

    I somehow think that it doesn’t matter if someone is religious or not. We have tried to bring eternal happiness through religion and failed. Now we are trying to bring the same through science and technology. And even in future we will keep trying. I think that is meant to be the essence of life!!
    absolutely..!
    Life is change and change is life ๐Ÿ™‚ and so the two go hand in hand ๐Ÿ™‚
    Anything is fine as long as there is no bloodshed….

  64. May 15, 2009 11:42 am

    Know what, it’s a lazy friday morning and I wanted Yuvaan to hear some soothing devotional songs, and the first place I thought of was this post of yours… The sounds of the Shabad Gurbani are now echoing in our hall. Despite the borderline aethists we all are, these sound so nice. Thanks to you ๐Ÿ™‚

    me- thanks Rakesh ๐Ÿ™‚ that is just so sweet and amazing to hear ๐Ÿ™‚
    thank you for sharing this ๐Ÿ™‚
    so thank YOU ๐Ÿ™‚

  65. May 15, 2009 5:41 pm

    1) You endorse to such a topic
    2) You write like a breath of fresh air
    3) You read and quote Ramdhaari singh dinkar
    4) You advertise the laughter medicine

    I should purchase a thesaurus now and get the synonyms of “FABULOUS”. Glad that I came in here ๐Ÿ™‚

    me- thank you so, so much for your words… ) honoured and delighted ๐Ÿ™‚ absolutely delighted!
    look forward to seeing you here more often ๐Ÿ™‚

  66. May 16, 2009 9:11 pm

    Such a soothing post.. I got to know so many things I didn’t know (the religious symbols for one) Even my grandmother, though she prays and does the puja daily, never tried to thrust upon us any of the rituals.. in fact, she was quite against us keeping any vrat because she argued that people who work, or children like you who go to school must not take the ‘extra burden’. “just do your job well and that will please God” she said..
    And yet, the little things, like the diya lit every evening, the idols handed over generations (or collected with some fond memory like you have shared with us here) carry a special warmth..
    me- thank you Gauri ๐Ÿ™‚
    just do your job well and that will please God” mantra for life na? ๐Ÿ™‚ wise words indeed ๐Ÿ™‚

    yes so true gauri..the memories make such things more than any other…I mean the thought og god or puja comes later..one is first engrossed in remembering …..

    with temples, I have this strange thing.. some temples immediately strike a cord while some just don’t seem to click. for example, me and my father had gone to Dakshineshwar temple in Kolkata.. we stood in a serpentine queue for more than 30-40 minutes and finally were herded towards the temple from a side entry that didn’t even accord a good view of the devi. the priest asked what prasad or money we want to donate.. me and baba just had some flowers worth some 20 rupees. The priest said, “Bas itna! is me itna hi darshan hoga” and shooed us away. I have hated the premise ever since and felt nothing spiritual whatsoever about the temple.. i just go there now to shop.
    me- ๐Ÿ˜ฆ that is so disgusting!!
    no wonder you never wanted to go there again!
    what hypocrisy!everyone is equal in the eyes of god (or the ‘custodians’ in this case?)
    I so totally get what you are saying about the temples..yep!some instantly give a calm feeling..others are simply mad and chaotic!

    a believer may put many arguments here, but some temples seem just too commercialised now a days.. It’s at quaint places and sometimes in complete strangers that you come close to a spiritual experience. this post is case in point. Loved it and the collection of prayers you have given.. will listen soon

    me-aww thank you so much ๐Ÿ™‚
    (((hugs))
    do listen ..whenever you do get time ๐Ÿ™‚

  67. May 19, 2009 7:10 pm

    Indyeah. I received these to links today and thought to share it with you.

    I don’t know how to put videos on so have put the linsa on instead. ๐Ÿ™‚
    me- thank you so much Badz for the effort you have taken ๐Ÿ™‚
    thanks a lot ๐Ÿ™‚
    and the links work ๐Ÿ˜€

  68. May 19, 2009 7:12 pm

    Ok it worked. WoW! ๐Ÿ˜•
    me- aww (((hugs))yep they do ๐Ÿ˜€

  69. May 29, 2009 4:02 pm

    some of the videos you linked here are my fav !! humanity is the best religion and i live by it !! i really liked this post ๐Ÿ™‚

    me- thanks a lot Pretty ๐Ÿ™‚
    I agree humanity is the best religion ๐Ÿ™‚ well said !

  70. November 29, 2014 10:23 pm

    I am hearing the songs one by one, Indyeah! All the songs are beautiful.

    About religion…I see my opinion also in many comments. Our Hindu religion is the best. We can follow it to the dot or just ignore it…still we will be Hindus. We don’t compel anybody to follow or convert others to our religion. We are happy as we are! We are one lucky people.

    Thanks for the lovely songs, once again!

    • December 1, 2014 7:06 pm

      Glad you liked the songs Sandhya:) I love many aspects of Hinduism, that is why it makes me mad when I see radicals trying to hijack it.

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