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I love Rahul Gandhi – Because nepotism rules

May 20, 2009

LONG POST ALERT! 😀
thank you Solilo for the title change suggestion 😀

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Yes..don’t gape..I really do 😀

Whats not to like? and love?

The dimpled smile ..

The vulnerability which they say ‘appeals’ to the women in particular.

The innocence and the naivete that is charming.

The straight from the heart ‘talks’ he gives while conducting press conferences…

*sigh*

Totally drool worthy in short dear friends…totally! 😀

Err politics?

Rahul Baba and Politics ?

Lets wait and watch why don’t we?

This post started off as a reply to a comment . ( Dhiren’s and the Dude’s Rakesh ie..:D )

I am A-Okay with Rahul Baba. Honest! 😀
But this new view that Rahul Baba is looking decent now all of a sudden after this win is just not going down my throat at all.

I mean then the whole point of being anti – dynastic is lost isn’t it?

If we go by the ‘looks decent ‘ (translated to mean that he is a ‘good/human being perhaps? ) argument, then who doesn’t seem decent?

I mean even Lalu’s son seems pretty decent…

So does Advani’s daughter for that matter…

Who doesn’t?

Which Gandhi didn’t seem decent till now?

The ones who have been in power till now that is….

So what is the problem you might ask?

The problem dear friend is that I abhor dynastic politics.

In my book its ..come up the hard way or come up even if you are filthy rich but don’t come up the dynastic way..that I cannot stomach.

Amazing isn’t it how we Indians seem to justify everything at the end of the day?

The chalta hai attitude irks me.

Coz then, why even bother at all?

Anyone who is decent gets a shot at politics!

Oh! Sorry! Anyone who is from the dynasty gets a shot at the highest or one of the highest offices in India!

Of course the shot earlier used to be instantaneous, now to maintain the illusion in the face of all the public criticism Baba and Baby logs are required to maintain at least a facade if nothing else for at least five or ten or more years…all the while we are told that they are working at the ‘grassroots’ level…

I can only shake my head and say WTH!

Do excuse my cynicism…

The andhon mein kaana raja is something I have to bear but not out of choice…NEVER out of choice..in this country where the blind are leading the blind..I have no choice but to suffer certain questionable choices…

What has Rahul Gandhi done till now ?

I am not opposed to Rahul Gandhi, the person.

I am opposed to Rahul Gandhi the CROWN PRINCE.

I am opposed to Rahul Gandhi PM- in- waiting.

I am opposed to Rahul Gandhi, the ‘messiah’ of the poor. (And while we are on the topic of the ‘poor’ funny isn’t it? How Indira Daadi (Rahul’s that is)  gave the very same slogan Garibi Hatao? And that a certain number of years oops! decades later the Congress still has the same slogan? Anyway…on to the next point)

I am opposed to this going ga ga over him. Going ga-ga at this time.This moment.This year.

For, what has he done exactly that should be credited to him?( NREGA is Rahul’s brainchild? I mean The best planners/developers/ economists struggle with such ideas and here is this guy who knew almost magically that this scheme would work? So when we say Rahul has worked with NREGA what we actually mean to say is that NREGA is an idea of someone else..but Rahul Baba well…being what he is is, in the limelight and must have gotten the funds for this pronto! The Gandhi name does do that. Things start magically happening all by themselves in ths red tape bureaucratic country of ours the moment the Gandhi name is uttered. )

I am opposed to the fact that he is being given the credit for a win that is actually Dr Singh’s (?) (Btw one does hope that Manmohan Singh will at least have a voice now) 😀

Uptil now we have seen senior leaders (if one can call them leaders that is) touching madam’s feet…

Hell!Arjun Singh with one leg in the grave touches her feet!

So now should I be prepared to see leaders vying with each other to touch Rahul Baba’s feet too?

Or have they started already?

This is how sycophants are born…

Going by the ‘decent argument’ one wonders why the opposition to dynasty at all?

Am I as well as others who oppose dynastic politics fools?

Let me echo Happy Kitten’s views

Rahul: as usual we hear songs of praise for him from aspiring politicians (after all the power still rests with the dynasty) , but let us not forget that he is not fit enough for a leader or even a minister.


Is this a repeat of Animal farm?

Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others?

Dynastic politics gives birth to sycophancy…

Dynastic politics seeps into a country’s blood and makes it vulnerable…

Dynastic politics is dangerous by any measure…

You know what?

I am now beginning to believe that maybe dynasticism (if there is such a word or else we probably will invent it or have invented it already) runs in our blood.

Maybe we will never rise above the servile attitude…

Maybe we are getting exactly what we deserve…

Maybe dynasticism is exactly what India’s problem is .. India as a collective whole refuses to face this problem…

Bhutan wants to go the democratic way!

While India …what are we doing?

We want to go ‘their’ way!

Rofl!! 😆

Gets my goat this does! (Solilo, thank you darl for this new phrase) 😉

Does  it not seem absurd to you that one family has been running one party in a democratic country since generations?

So the conclusion is

a) The party is not democratic.

b) The party is democratic and it has ‘chosen’(elected?) 😆  these Gandhi leaders because they were so damn capable! ROFL!

c) The party is one where they follow the hereditary concept…you know the kings used to rule in earlier times…and then their heirs used to be the next in line…same concept!

Simple isn’t it?

Democracy! Versus Dynastic rule

Or is it Democracy + Dynastic Rule?

You decide…

Should I also be prepared to hear that Priyanka also looks ’ decent’?

Hence qualified for India politics? I too gave my aye for Priyanka at a blog. Coz well if daughter.Sister darling is that interested in politics then she might as well join it.

Indians seem to love the word Virasat…why not extend it to politics as well eh ? 😀

And no it is not just the Nehru-Gandhi Khandaan that is guilty of it but so many others too..and all of them deserve equal condemnation!

Amit of India Uncut writes ….(Amit’s words in italics)

Many years ago, before the satellite TV revolution, there used to be a video newsmagazine called Newstrack that I rather enjoyed. There is one scene from it that I still remember. If memory serves me right, it began with a shot of the bottom of Devi Lal’s sports shoes as he reclined on a garden chair, his foot rested on some kind of support. (I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember he wore a banyan and a dhoti on top.) An interview began, and the interviewer asked him why he had made his son, Om Prakash Chautala, the chief minister of Haryana. Devi Lal replied:
”Tho kya Bhajan Lal ke chhore ko banaaoo?”

An English translation —“Then shall I make Bhajan Lal’s son the chief minister?” –cannot match the rustic delight of it. I loved that riposte, and remember it still, because it was a rare moment of honesty from an Indian politician. Devi Lal could have said that his son was a fine leader, and had served the people of Haryana. He could have said that it was a democratic decision by the party. But his statement made no pretence of denying what we all already know: Politicians are motivated by nothing other than a lust to power, and once they acquire it, they want to pass it on, like a material possession, to their progeny

Now imagine Sonia Gandhi, asked why Rahul Gandhi has been elevated in the Congress Party, saying: “Tho kya LK Advani ke chhori ko banaaoo?”

ROFL!!! 😆

I can just about imagine it too .

Young Rahul has received many fulsome tributes recently, but has no political achievements to his credit, and hasn’t come up in the party the hard way. (Unless waiting is considered hard, as it might well be for a crown prince.) But no one in the Congress Party will have the cojones to admit that Gandhi’s position comes from Gandhi’s name, and nothing else. The language of politics is couched in doublespeak, and Indian politics is all about double standards. Dynastic politics is not the only example of this, and it is certainly not restricted to the Congress Party.

A list should suffice (surfed and found a wholelist! Voila! 😀

(I have not been able to link this site.Please give me the link and I will promptly do it.)

Jawaharlal Nehru

Indira Gandhi

Rajiv Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi, Maneka Gandhi

Rahul Gandhi, Varun Gandhi

Who’s next – Raihan and Miraya (Priyanka Gandhi’s children)??

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S.B.Chavan

Ashok Chavan

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M.Karunanidhi (Tamil Nadu)

M.K.Stalin, Murasoli Maran, Dayanidhi Maran

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Laloo Prasad Yadav (Bihar)

Rabri Devi

(his son perhaps is next?that is if Laluji can manage to save his own seat 😀 )***********

Vijayraje Scindia (Madhya Pradesh)

Madhavrao Scindia, Vasundhara Raje Scindia (Rajasthan), Yashodhara Raje Scindia

Jyotiraditya Scindia, Dushyant Singh

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Pandit Ravi Shankar Shukla (Madhya Pradesh)

Shyama Charan Shukla and Vidya Charan Shukla

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Devi Lal (Haryana)

Om Prakash Chautala

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Mulayam Singh Yadav (Uttar Pradesh)

Akhilesh Singh Yadav

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Rajesh Pilot (Rajasthan)

Sachin Pilot

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Biju Patnaik (Orissa)

Naveen Patnaik

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S.Bangarappa (Karnataka)

Vasant Bangarappa

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R.Gundu Rao (Karnataka)

Dinesh Gundu Rao

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K.Karunakaran (Kerala)

K.Muralidharan and Padmaja Venugopal

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Sharad Pawar (Maharashtra)

Supriya Sule

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Jagjivan Ram (Uttar Pradesh)

Meira Kumar

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Charan Singh (Uttar Pradesh)

Ajit Singh

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Sheikh Abdullah (Jammu & Kashmir)

Farooq Abdullah

Omar Abdullah

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M.G.Ramachandran (Tamil Nadu)

Janaki Ramachandran

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N.T.Rama Rao (Andhra Pradesh)

Chandrababu Naidu, Daggubati Purandareswari

Have I leftout anyone? 😀

Edited to add :- (Saritha has given these names) Thanks Saritha 🙂

Y.S.Rajashekar reddy (AP chief minister)
Y.Jagan mohan reddy (Son)

T.Chandrashekar rao (TRS)
T.Tarakarama Rao (son)

Rahul Verma has given these names below. Thank you Rahul .

YS Rajashekhara Reddy: YS Jaganmohan Reddy (Won from Cuddapah)
N Chandrababu Naidu: N Lokesh (Being ‘groomed’ at Stanford to enter AP politics)

Sucharita has given these names below.. Thanks Sucharita.

Bal Thackeray  (Maharashtra)

Uddhav Thackeray

Raj Thackeray

Solilo has given these names below.Thanks Solilo

Beant Singh (Late CM of Punjab)

Ravneet Singh Bittu (Grandson)

Late CM Beant Singh’s grandson Ravneet Singh Bittu, hand picked by Congress scion Rahul Gandhi, won from Anandpur Sahib.

He is also Punjab Youth Congress President.

Happy Kitten has shared these names.Thanks HK 🙂

K.M Mani (Kerala)

Jose K. Mani(son) whom we hear will be given a portfolio.

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Rahul Gandhi says….
The youth want to join politics but don’t know the way. Once they enter politics, they don’t find it clean. They are confused about politics and it looks as if there is a wall between them and politics. We have to break this wall,’ Gandhi said while addressing a gathering of the party’s district chiefs and grassroots workers at Ramlila Maidan here.

‘Once they (youth) enter, they face many problems in moving ahead. At times money power is used and sometimes nepotism blocks the way. They say that they want to work but their work is not recognised. Until we solve all these issues, youth energy cannot be used,’ he said.

‘We should tap energy of youth in building the nation. But for this, we have to open our closed doors,’ he said.
😀
I appreciate the beautiful sentiments dude..but err…ermm do you see any irony in your own words? 😀

BENJAMIN DISRAELI, England’s first and only Jewish prime minister, once said, “In a progressive country change is constant; change is inevitable.” But, I don’t think this applies to Indian politics because the scourge of nepotism has never left the centre stage of Indian politics. It’s constant.

Our political parties, while fighting tooth and nail to perpetrate their kinds of rule in their local strongholds, are never interested in spending time and energy to democratise their internal systems. It’s because of the fear that they might lose their grip over the family silver. Most of the political parties are nothing but private limited companies. When starting a political party has become such a profitable venture it is foolhardy on the part of the electorate to expect any kind of self-regulation and internal democracy. Most of our present day leaders are ‘state men’ rather than ‘statesmen’.
Political parties in India get divided not due to any ideological reasons but mainly due to family feuds and palace intrigues.

As Pratap Bhanu Mehta writes, “Our political parties seem to be similar in their style of functioning. Most are based on loyalty to leaders rather than loyalty to causes or institutions. Very few have properly institutionalised norms of recruitment and membership. And none has any real intra-party democracy.”

[LINK]

Feringhee of The India Dairies writes

“When is a democracy not a democracy? When its leaders are appointed by non-democratic methods, for one thing. When heredity is 9/10 of the law; and yes, the same formula applies to the Gandhi-Nehrus and Thackerays of India, and many others.”

The Republican Royals(Indian Express)

In India, several political parties follow the principle of inherited dynastic leadership, with the original model arguably supplied by the Gandhis
In a republican age, of course, entering public life is usually projected as making a sacrifice, never as taking advantage of an inheritance. This despite the fact that defensive parallels are often drawn with other ‘professions’ — such as the law, medicine and film world — where it is quite common to have children succeeding their parents. The preferred choice is always the son, the daughter is usually a second option.

Within what are ostensibly republics in South Asia, thus, we remain at heart subjects rather than citizens, people who need and love royals. As celebrities, they dazzle us much as Princess Diana did the British. As taxpayers, we even indulge their desire to buy millions of dollars worth of Evian.

We see nothing incongruous or ironical about viewing these new royals as the icons of our democracies. They may not assume leadership of their parties through democratic processes, but they can still become — like Benazir — powerful symbols of democracy. The parties they lead are essentially family firms controlling large sums of money. What better than the hereditary principle to legitimately bequeath this control to one’s own kin

Did this ring any bells?

Royalism has been democratised in South Asia. In turning our backs on monarchy, we reinvent ourselves as republicans. But this is often a fragile and tenuous republicanism, as the political parties in our democratic polities are mini-kingdoms each with its own royal family.

The Bharatiya Janata Party has not been altogether immune from his phenomenon. When Pramod Mahajan’s son Rahul disgraced himself by being hospitalised with a drug overdose, the BJP was happy to accept his daughter Poonam instead. She buttressed her claims to the Mahajan legacy by playing peacemaker when the alliance between the BJP and Shiv Sena came under strain

So when all is said and done, let me reiterate that I am not against Rahul Gandhi. But I am against giving him a damn easy deal.
You are the scion of the one and only ‘royal khandaan’ are you?
So being in the limelight 24X7 comes with the package.
You have to prove yourself and its going to be a tough job coz millions like me are watching your every move.
Dont crib and dont be a crybaby about it. It doesnt make for a very pretty picture.

One wrong step and you are gone for good.
There are many others like me who are immune to your dimpled charm.
MAny others like me who even if they dont like you right now, will be more than willing to give you a chance later .
Later when you HAVE proven yourself.

Sounds tough eh?
Well..that’s the way life is dude.
Damn tough.
So tough luck mate but we’ll talk in about 5 years or more..

And I will be more than ready to eat my own words if you prove me wrong.I will be here.this post will be here. So will this blog.

Ramming the idea of Rahul Baba down my throat turns me off.

I don’t see a sudden halo around him after the election results. So go ahead murder me for this ‘sin’.

And if I absolutely had to fawn over someone then why not Mannu Uncle?

Hell!that guy has done more for India than a hundred Rahul Babas and Advanis combined!

PS:-Also since we are on the topic of dimpled hunks…would someone tell Hrithik to join politics please?

Pretty please? 😀

A father who is a good filmmaker , a mother who is her own woman, a sister who is strong too,

Most of all the fella is a hubby most sincere (unlike the Sanju Baba  variety she-asks me-before-she-goes-for-coffee-types

Do let me know when Duggu does enter politics will you?

My vote’s for THAT dimpled darling

*sigh*

And if hunks are all that’s required then head here please 😉

Nancy and her friends(including yours truly will give you a whole list ) 😀


Interesting thoughts
RAHUL:From Dud to Genius in Two Hours (Like Solilo says rightly, one of the best analysis in recent times ) DO read it.

THE CASE FOR OUR NEXT PM ( A brilliant read, the sarcasm is cutting not to mention awesome)
Nepotism is the DNA of Indian society.

Your nepotism is my family values -Sepia Mutiny (Do read the comment section  as well)

News
Rajnath Singh

Hell, I never vote for anybody, I always vote against.  ~W.C. Fields

Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato

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242 Comments leave one →
  1. May 20, 2009 2:52 pm

    first !!! yesssssssssss!!!
    me- LOL!! Dhiren you are not going to let anyone break your record are you? 😀

  2. May 20, 2009 2:57 pm

    Great list indyeah 🙂

    Want to include more

    Y.S.Rajashekar reddy (AP chief minister)
    Y.Jagan mohan reddy (Son)

    T.Chandrashekar rao (TRS)
    T.Tarakarama Rao (son)

    me-thanks a lot Saritha! 😀
    seriously I am looking forward to adding more here 🙂

  3. May 20, 2009 2:59 pm

    i am second 🙂 🙂
    me- yeah you are! 😀

    • May 20, 2009 3:02 pm

      every one is second to me now…. heee haww
      me- ROFL! yes they are 😀
      though Saritha is a close second

      • May 20, 2009 3:03 pm

        crafty kaha hai ?? kaha hai crafty ?? (gabbar style… kab hai holi ?? )
        me- wait till Crafty reads this 😀

        • May 20, 2009 4:05 pm

          arrreeee iss gabbar ki toh!!!! 😛

          i spent all my time post like 4 comments on hitchy’s blog!

          *crafty walks away singing kya se kya ho gaya…*

          me- (((hugs))Crafty *glares at Dhiren 😛
          you made her late in coming here?

          Dhiren!!!

          • May 20, 2009 5:37 pm

            he he he…. diverting attention to be first on Abhi’s post !!!

            * Dhiren cooos…. yahan ke hum sikander… chahe to rakhle sab ko apni jeb ke ander… *
            me- dont croon too much coz you are now on the list too! 😈

          • May 20, 2009 7:32 pm

            Now don’t again say, You’re on top ‘ !!! AArrgghh

            me- 😆

          • craftyshines permalink
            May 20, 2009 11:27 pm

            u have not seen me hitchy…jeb toh duur ki baat hai…u can’t keep me in a trunk even…hyuk hyuk… 😛 😛 😛
            me- no no!
            Indyeah will not allow self deprecating jokes by her sistah 😀

            woh alag baat hai ki Crafty is on the LIST :mrgreen:

          • May 21, 2009 4:28 pm

            awww!!! i love whatever shape i’m in…its all good! no self-depreciation Indyeah…crafty got way too much pride n conceit *hee hee*!!! was just warning hitchy!
            list? what list? list of ppl u wanna hug n send gifts to?? then me to be waiting for postman all day!!! :D]
            me- 😆 you aint seen the list yet gurl?
            :mrgreen:

          • May 21, 2009 4:31 pm

            just read comment below! aiyo…. 😐

            me-alle Crafty now how am I supposed to put you on the list you cutiepie? 😀

          • May 21, 2009 5:27 pm

            what list ??? I am toh fan of your intriguing posts… !!!

            who said looooooon…g ?????????
            me- really? 😛
            list ki baat aate hi sab bhul gaye? 😛

            Solilo DOn se sab darte hain!
            :mrgreen:

  4. May 20, 2009 3:00 pm

    Fantastic!!! Totally agree! This is exactly what husband and I keep talking about! Will come back to comment in detail – in a bit of a hurry now 😦

    me- thanks Smitha 🙂
    take your time 🙂

  5. May 20, 2009 3:02 pm

    ok ok… so these dimpled cheeks are no match for Hrithik Baba… I agree… 🙂 🙂 😀
    me- 😀 yep! *sigh*
    I also agree with what you say…

    But then in the coming 5 years we will see where he stands… no I dont say he is the reason the congress won.. ! and no we didnt elect or select him… no… !

    but some one is going to take the credit and become larger than life…
    me- yep!bane of our democracy 😦

    Sonia did it in 2004 by refusing Prime Minister’s post… she could have taken it… whether she could have held on… is any ones guess… but… by declining it they acquired Larger than life image..

    Rahul Baba will do the same… ! he will decline the cabinet and be larger than life…
    me- yes thats the irony..declining a post is shown as a ‘sacrifice’a post that ideally is never theirs in the first place..not without contesting for it in any case.. 😀

    However “di… that he is born in the Gandhi family should not go against him … (not that it is going)

    at most times I find him sincere in talking… measured… sensible…
    me- mature and sensible?coz he doesnt open his mouth much?so are a dozen other people..why is he the only ‘golden boy?’

    whether he is a great leader or not only time will tell… 😐
    me- exactly!that is what is required..wait and watch and then later when he HAS proven himself then we can applaud him …not now when he has not even learnt the P of politics

    He is young, educated, in politics and has a surname Gandhi !! so… the credentials are in order… ! arent they ?? 😉
    me- ROFL!! I couldnt make out if you were joking or not 😛
    apparently you are 😛
    so yeah the ‘credentials’ are in place 😀

    but tell you what … ur rite… he is no match to hritik !!! 😀
    me- Absolutely! 😀

    • May 21, 2009 5:31 pm

      Relax….

      I hope some day we can have a commoner… reach the top post… ! the victory of democracy and the end of dynastic politics….. !

      me heh!heh! am relaxed 😀
      check my mood 😛
      if I relax anymore I will be dead 😆
      a commoner? 🙂 hope so 🙂
      amen to that thought !
      !

  6. May 20, 2009 3:56 pm

    Even the alert did not prepare me for the length of this post!

    Anyway, I think success does wonders to a man’s ego and if Rahul looks any different now, it’s because of the success of his party which is attributed to none other than Gandhi Jr.!
    me- D your name was going to be put in that list 😀
    but then I thought pehli gustaakhi toh maaf kiya 😀

    but yeah seriously speaking it is weird that the win is being attributed to him and like you said…a win does wonders to a person’s ego and probably also to the way he/she is viewed by his/her supporters 🙂
    to think that Rahul is responsible for the success of the Congress is quite amazing 🙂

  7. monikamanchanda permalink
    May 20, 2009 4:06 pm

    ok now u have as usual written a very researched post, interesting list… but tell me one thing do we object the rest of the kids also as much as we object Rahul? why is that?

    and also u know i was discussing with my mom also this morning abt rahul and there is one question i want to ask do we object if the son of a lawyer becomes a lawyer, son of a doctor becomes a doctor etc etc then why objects on this provided they are decent?

    given that I agree that till now (before this election) rahul has not done any good… but I think the victory of cong UP is truly to be credited to him this time and he is learning is my thinking

    PS: warning I am not a RG fan apart from the dimples u mentioned 🙂

    me- thanks Monika 🙂
    I am sure he is learning…
    like I said I do not have a problem with him right now..I have a problem with the way he is being portrayed as larger than life..the rajyabhishek seems to have started a few years prematurely…
    the other points have been answered by Smitha ..I hold the same views 🙂
    yep!totally understand that you are not a fan of RG 😀
    though I thought you were 😛

    • May 20, 2009 5:32 pm

      The reason we don’t object so much for ‘rest of the kids ‘ is probably because they do not get/get shortlisted for the top job as soon as they enter politics.. With the Gandhis it is almost as if – someone else can be the PM – if the Gandhis deem it so… Congress’ mindset had a lot to do with this mentality though..
      me- agree totally!

    • May 21, 2009 9:09 am

      Can a doctors son be a doctor w\o qualification? Sadly politics needs no qualification! Like that “Tata tea” ad.. no one to ask them.. ‘Toh aapke qualifications kya hai”
      me- that ad does say it brilliantly doesnt it?

      • May 22, 2009 9:39 pm

        all the politicians sons reply in chorus,” our skill sets are –

        Manipulating the commoner ( indian citizen )
        Kill
        loot
        murder
        plunder
        Do anything to achieve the end goal – official power from where i can kill more, loot more, plunder more, steel more.

        if the ghaznis have left india, the politicians and their sons have arrived —

  8. May 20, 2009 4:10 pm

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    itna lammbaaa post…that too on poltics again??? *faints*
    me- *looks at Crafty with sadness*
    hmmm what must it feel like to put one’s own sistah’s name on THE list?

    Indyeah feeling regret and sadness..but then what has to be done, has to be done right?

    new person to be added to the list
    NAME- Crafty Shines

    😆

    • May 21, 2009 4:39 pm

      nahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

      no no no Indyeah! now is a good time to tell u about Evil Crafty (tain tain tain) …she’s also a KRS…looks just like me, but she’s crafty in evil ways…that was her comment….
      me- oh!like the Jekyll Hyde thing?
      or a Multiple personality disorder?
      😀

      I personally believe that longer the post, the better…more to read…lambaa nahin likha toh kya likha…no?? *looks pleadingly*
      me-
      lamba nahin likha toh kya likha?
      rofl!!! 😆
      Crafty you are forgiven!! muahh! 😀
      you are a darling 😀

      another point in defense…i ALWAYS double check politics spelling…
      me- hmmm point to be noted mylord 😀

      am i off the list now? huh huh huh? behenaaaaaa *sings some bollywood sisterhood number*

      me- yep!forgiven coz you are too cute to be put on the LIST 😀

      PS:-btw which behenaa number? 😆

      will help me imagine some appropriately B grade hindi movie and the two sistahs dancing around like mad 😀

  9. May 20, 2009 4:11 pm

    aiyo…see what happens when my spelling checker is not on….
    😐

    me- awww (((hugs)))ye list se pehle ke hugs hai 😛

  10. May 20, 2009 4:26 pm

    and you cant use the Long post alert !!! lol….

    its understoood !!! lol…. tee hee hee

    me-okay thats does it!

    Solilo add one more name!
    write down Dhiren aka Hitchwriter..

    *Solilo grumbling about how many people Indyeah wants to tapkaao*

    The whole world? 😀

    • May 21, 2009 5:33 pm

      Tapkao ?? and me ???

      arre….. I meant was… you need not put that alert… we actually come here for it… it intrigues us no end….

      brrr…

      and btw sililo sardar the awesome half… aint doing nothing to me…. just you worry bout yourself… suggesting my name and all….

      heee hawww..
      me- Solilo is your awesome half?
      I thought it was OG and you 😆

      • May 21, 2009 9:55 pm

        no ways 🙂 I only try to “fall” gals 😉
        me- *Indyeah trying to look Suitably serious*(remembers the promise made to Dhiren Bhai 😀
        nodding her head..yes yes I believe you 🙂

        • May 22, 2009 3:34 am

          OMG….. 🙂 What has happened to OG’s image….. 🙂
          if only my mom reads this 😛 LOL LOL LOL!!!!

          me- 😆
          I have promised Dhiren to not make any more jokes

          *Indyeah tries to look solemn *

  11. May 20, 2009 4:38 pm

    In your opening paragraph you missed out listing his great physique – apparently he’s obsessed with body building…He would have made a good Bollywood hero or a model…
    me- ROFL!! Sraboney! he is?
    I didnt know 😀
    achcha toh bodybuilding also added to the list 😉

    but how do we see all that brawn (assuming there IS any) when he wears those cotton kurtas 😆

    Well said…A lot of BJP supporters will switch over to the Congress if The Family were wiped out…That’s a thought…All able Congresswallahs like Digvijay Singh are sidelined to make the Gandhis more powerful…
    me-yep!Congress gives less importance to the GAndhi parivaar (not possible in any lifetime) and the BJP gets rid of Modi and Advani and afew more (doesnt look likely either)
    then all the supporters will change camps 😀

    I don’t know why suddenly people are praising Rahulbaba for the Congress’ good showing in UP – I mean, I don’t think he alone decided to go alone there…

    me- exactly! I mean did he say that ”you know what guys ?I just had this brainwave! yeah dont look at me like that..I AM intelligent you know …toh the brainwave is that lets go alone in UP..to hell with everyone else” 😀

    • Solilo permalink
      May 21, 2009 12:38 am

      While we are on Digvijay Singh, what about sudden deaths of Rajesh Pilot and Madhav Rao Scindia. Now before anyone accuses me of conspiracy theory, I am speaking from some knowledge about it. Something I have heard from an internal source.

      Wiping off of 2 dynamic politicians who refuses to touch dynastic feets..doesn’t this look a lot similar to how plane crashes and sudden deaths of major political figures happen in our neighboring country?

      • May 21, 2009 2:44 pm

        I have my suspicions too! But the thing is that all this gets swept under the carpet convenientlty..

      • May 21, 2009 6:20 pm

        there is no doubt that they were plotted to kill. so is the case with sanjay gandhi..he was killed too.

        • May 22, 2009 11:30 am

          Solilo, you’re now sounding like Sillylo! I mean c’mmon. Please, honestly do you Smith and Anrosh think that Pilot and Scindia were killed??? Internal sources??? Wow!

          me- I miss the crux of the argument coz I give a point by point rebuttal..which makes the argument sound great(?)
          and Solilo is Sillylilo 😀

          Dude are you sure this is not kindergarten? 😀

          • Solilo permalink
            May 22, 2009 1:08 pm

            Rakesh, “Sillylo” Ha..ha…ha.. this comment of yours reminded me of primary school where kids mock each other’s names. 😀 Hmm…how old are we again?

            Yes! internal sources as in number of bureaucrats in my family who are closely associated with Congress. But I never said that it is THE truth. It is just a coincidence that all these promising leaders died mysteriously just like ex. PMs/Presidents die in our neighboring country. Add to that deaths/suicides of Vadra family members.

          • May 22, 2009 4:14 pm

            How could i forget our 2nd prime minister Lal Bahadur Shastri’s death. Indira Gandhi was the master mind behind it. Russians were all cronies for Nehru and the family and the murder ( made to look like natural death/had an heart attack or something like that) was killed again.

            Indira Gandhi was drunk with power and she was ready to kill/remove by forced means that everybody that came in her way. – This is from a very reliable source whom indira gandhi put on death roll during emergency, but managed to escape to another country because he had an english wife.

            I am not for the congress – call it decisive – or whatever government —

          • May 22, 2009 4:33 pm

            coming to the kennedys in the US – John Kennedy father was a drug lord and a mafia — he made a lot of money and now he wanted “official power” and put his sons up to the task – there was too money that his family could eat for generations — each of the kennedy sons died if they became president because they had their own enemies in this country and else where — there was more than the simple reason that caroline kennedy could stand even for becoming the senator – John kennedy (jr) who died in his own plane crash — do you think the technical snag was not intentional — all these stories have the same plot — Most americans pretend not to understand or they seem not to understand — I don’t know which one — Politics is not an easy game – one must be ready to be another’s puppet — sometimes i even wonder that ‘ Obama ‘ is a model put up to the test of being a president. And every kid in this country knows that his life is under danger. And the number of jews backing him up — there is something more than we see. There is no doubt that he is capable for the position.

            somewhere i read rahul gandhi is the owner of a construction company – who has got contracts of building the bombay airport — wow! the aam admi wants roti, kapda, makhan — a little more strive for think — another some more get recognized – many do not — anybody who raises the voices on alternative lines are either threatened or put to rest.

            there are so many things that we don’t know —

            everybody in power know the real reason why 9/11 happened — but how is that projected in the media !?. How was taliban formed — thanks to the US who gave money to afghanistan to create havoc on the borders of russia —

            anybody who will replicate ‘ mahatma gandhi/bhagat singh or sardar vallabhai patel ‘ will never see the light of the day in this day and age.

            even subhash chandra bose was not spared — nehru just couldn’t stand him because he was the real deal and he would give nehru a run for his money.

            let me stop right here..

          • May 22, 2009 4:36 pm

            as usual there are some grammatical errors and writings — missing a not , etc etc — you guys are smart enough to understand what i have written.

            you will find some similar comments of mine on india retold

            me- thats fine An..your comments always provide a lot of food for thought 🙂

          • May 22, 2009 8:32 pm

            Yes, Anrosh – and that is why their wealth seem to be multiplying n-fold!!!

            ‘anybody who will replicate ‘ mahatma gandhi/bhagat singh or sardar vallabhai patel ‘ will never see the light of the day in this day and age.’ – Agree totally!!

  12. May 20, 2009 4:47 pm

    Abhi, I think you should do away with the Long Post alert 🙂 We will just assume it – unless told otherwise 🙂
    me- 😥
    my dost is saying this?

    but coz of that awesome comment below will let this crack pass 😛

    As I said earlier – I agree with everything you say ! Very well written!
    me-thanks 🙂

    He is sure the latest ‘sweetheart’, ‘dimpled darling’ of the masses.. Don’t be surprised if you see a movie on him soon 🙂
    me- A movie? 😀 ye toh socha hi nahin tha 😀

    What appalls me is that John Abraham or Farhan Akhtar fits these criteria too! And I am sure if they have a bunch of politicians advising him and every door in the country open for them – they might perform in the same way or even better!
    me- EXACTLY!!!
    Thsi is one major point! and thank you for saying it just so!

    I remember seeing a TV debate where somebody said,’ Whats wrong with dynastic politcs – a doctor’s daughter could become a doctor or an engineer’s son an engineer’? What is wrong is that I did not have a job waiting for me as soon as I finished my engg just coz my dad is an engineer! We might follow our parent’s footsteps but we do not INHERIT positions automatically. The problem with dynastic politics is the sense of entitlement. I remember reading somewhere that Arjun Singh’s daughter being upset that she was not given a seat – just because her Dad served the Congress for so many years!! Why that sense of entitlement?
    me- EXACTLY!!
    sorry if I keep saying exactly coz this comment is just so damn brilliant! 🙂

    And the worse thing is that just having the ‘Gandhi’ surname entitles them to the highest post! You know, it is almost as if – he is king – he will just take his title – when it suits him! AND he is such a modest guy coz he is not claiming his inheritance rght away! That absolutely makes me mad..

    me-yeah!!that is one point that its hard to make anyone understand..I mean really?
    if it was any other surname then things would Still be the same?
    Who are we kidding?our own selves?
    this one point makes me fume too Smitha! I mean WTH!!!what is he some prince in waiting?

    As for the whole credit of the UPA win being attributed to Rahul is just too much.. I feel sorry for poor Manmohan Singh – who is literally being assigned the role of a night watchman – once again, to keep the seat warm for Rahul Baba!
    me- yeah!Poor Dr Singh…he is just that..great word that one SMitha..Night watchman! 😀
    all the Cricket buffs will totally get it ! 🙂

    I hope Dr Singh will be able to work now 🙂 with a free hand

    Don’t get me started on this feet touching bit! The list is endless! I heard that some old woman touched Jyotiraditya Scindia’s feet – so how can Rahul Baba’s feet be far away?
    me- 😀
    it is so funny to watch!

    ‘Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others?’ – Absolutely!

    As for Priyanka – people are just waiting for her to enter politics.. NDTV ensures that they show exerpts of her interview every day – one way or the other.. it is bound to happen.
    me- yeah! she will come eventually..its only a matter of time ..NDTV toh..god!
    lets see what she is like 😀

    There are hundreds of people in this country who have all these criteria and more – but they will probably never get a chance because as the ‘Family’ is around – all that the rest will get is the next level or the role of a night watchman – at the very most! And that is what gets me mad!

    me-Exactly exactly exactly!!
    I mean just try telling this to Congress party workers who think Rahul is the’ Messiah reborn or something!

    me- Smitha *applause*
    this comment of yours is way more brilliant and coherent and hard hitting than my post could be so
    thank you for this !!!:)
    will be back to nod my head and add my ayes to your points 😀
    ..will be back in an hour 😀
    oh and I am putting in bold the points of yours that are just so true ..actually all of your points are but some really need to be highlighted 🙂

    • nitwitnastik permalink
      May 20, 2009 7:41 pm

      Arjun Singh’s daughter being upset that she was not given a seat – just because her Dad served the Congress for so many years!! Why that sense of entitlement?

      Indyeah. That would be India Uncut. I read that article too.:-)
      me- thanks 🙂

    • Solilo permalink
      May 21, 2009 12:41 am

      If John Abraham was a Gandhi then would we have seen him in that Yellow chaddi? 😀
      me- 😆
      great point Solilo! 😉
      That would have been a HUGE loss to the female population 😀

      • May 21, 2009 1:37 am

        ROFL!! 😆

      • May 21, 2009 4:34 pm

        Ah.. John and his yellow chaddi… 😀
        See what you guys have done?!! distracted me properly from work!! 😀 😀

        and here I was trying so hard to look so busy!!!!!!! 😉

        me- 😆

      • Solilo permalink
        May 22, 2009 9:45 pm

        And some male. 😀

    • May 21, 2009 9:19 am

      You know reminds me of atlas shrugged wherein Dagny worked her way up but her bro had it easy..

    • May 21, 2009 4:38 pm

      wow!
      first i read the post and was wondering how well it was written and then these lengthy comments from smitha. I have nothing left to say everyone has covered all the points..

      As smitha has said, you should be removing the long post alert. Start using short post alerts instead 😀

      me- thank you Mystery 🙂

      what?what?>what??
      *scribbling away yet another name* 😛 😛

      • May 22, 2009 7:59 pm

        lol..
        “scribbling away yet another name” how big is the list now? 🙂

        me- *ahem*lets just say that soon you wont be able to count the names on your fingers :mrgreen:

  13. May 20, 2009 4:55 pm

    I don’t know how Dhiren always manages to comment first…
    Hmmph!

    me- 😀 someone please give Dhiren some serious competition!
    Coming to the post, I agree with what you have written…

    Also, still waiting and watching what Rahul will do.
    He does have a lot of plus points to his credit and he depicts the Indian Youth quite well… 😀

    He has a way of reaching out to people and we saw that happening in UP…
    me- wait and watch 😀 is the mantra Pixie
    aage aage dekehen hota hai kya? 😀

    • May 20, 2009 5:29 pm

      Pixie – There might be thousands of politicians who depicts the Indian Youth as well and probably doing as much if not more – but we don’t even know about them – coz they don’t have the Gandhi name 😦

      • May 21, 2009 8:13 am

        That’s true Smi.. very true…
        He has all his cards in place including his Family name and fame…
        And he knows how to play the cards at the right time!

      • May 22, 2009 9:26 pm

        that’s correct smitha — honestly that’s what i like about the shiv sena, rss and the others of this kind ( their vision has a certain amount of committment ) — if it was not about the “hindutva, but “india” centric i would have been one among them!

    • May 20, 2009 5:41 pm

      yeh andar ki baat hai pixie… !!!

      me- 😀

      • May 21, 2009 8:13 am

        ROFL Dhiren!! 😀

        You really need to do a post on this and give us all common folks some tips!! 😛 😛

        me- yes Dhiren please do a post 😛

  14. May 20, 2009 5:19 pm

    You are such a “communal” person Indyeah . 😛 You hate “secular” parties like Congress, and that is why you are writing this . 😉 I am astonished at you not falling for a Rahul Andhi , err Gandhi , like every one else . 🙂 Did you even know , that geneticists have come up with a fit-to-be-the-PM-of-India gene , and the descendants of Nehru family have it . 😀 So , I dare you not to question why shouldn’t Rahul Gandhi be the PM-in-waiting, just toe the line like every one else . 😀 And it is sad , that you ARE willing to let go of your colonial hang over . I mean , he is half-a-gora, come on , that’s that half the reason why he should be the PM , the other half is the surname . 😀
    me-ROFL!!! 😆
    Kislay dude! I have NOT laughed so much in ages!! 😀
    you are BRILLIANT!!!
    *bowing before Kislay for that brilliant ,witty, sarcastic ,incisive and awesome comment! *
    Dude you rock!!
    look at the responses of the other friends too! They looove your comment! 😀

    and once agaian I am assured that you and I dear friend think alike on quite a few issues 😀 coz I knew… just KNEw you would say something along these lines..of course I had no clue that you would be so damn brilliant! 😀
    Jokes apart . If and when Rahul Gandhi proves himself as a leader , as an MP , a member of the opposition and the ruling party , a Minister , and a genuinely secular leader , he will have my support . As you say , he should not have it easy , no one should , when you want to be the leader of 1.15 Billion people .
    me- absolutely!! He has to PROVE himself first..and its a damn tough task… we will make sure it is..coz nothing short of the best will do 😀

    Did I say , it was awesome ? 😀
    me-dude did I say that YOUR comment the entire comment was AWESOME? 😀
    and that it made my day? 😀 coz all I have to do is think of it and laugh like a loon 😀

    • nitwitnastik permalink
      May 20, 2009 7:44 pm

      LOL Kislay @ fit-to-be-the-PM-of-India gene 😀

      and at

      he is half-a-gora, come on , that’s that half the reason why he should be the PM , the other half is the surname 😀

      me- ROFL!! Kislay IS brilliant!

    • May 20, 2009 10:59 pm

      Brilliant, Kislay… 🙂

      The gene
      The halves that ensure this qualification 🙂

      Almost as brilliant as the post 🙂

      me- Ushus not almost but more brilliant than the post 😀
      I mean Kislay has said the truth in just a few words that are Hilarious! 😀

    • May 21, 2009 12:21 am

      Ha…ha..ha…ha.. Kislay I am noticing your funny bones these days.

      Jo koi bhi nepotism ko question karega
      Usko non-secular ka khitaab diya jaayega

    • May 21, 2009 1:43 am

      Hahahahahahahaha! I love you comment Kislay.

      “Fit-to-be-the-PM-of-India gene”

      &

      “he is half-a-gora, come on , that’s that half the reason why he should be the PM , the other half is the surname”

      Its too good. 😆

    • May 21, 2009 11:46 am

      Between you and me , we have used 16 smileys . I think we should control ourselves . 😀

      me- does it look like I will ? 😀
      anytime soon? 😛

      I have a question . If Rahul , then why not Priyanka ? Is this version of nepotism also smeared with sexism ? While Rahul Baba was busy partying in London and doing boing-shaboing with Colombian girlfriends, she was raising a family . I read an interview of her’s , and I must say , if she means what she said , then she has won my respect and admiration .
      me- read that interview 🙂
      yes the thoughts are definitely praiseworthy but again lets wait and watch 🙂
      coz a woman she might be but I have the same issues as far as she is concerned too 🙂

      Question of the week
      me- thanks for the link 🙂

      • May 21, 2009 2:48 pm

        Oh nothing matters, Kislay, all that matters is that finally Rahul Baba is in the place where he ‘belongs’! Now that he realises that his heart bleeds for the aam aadmi – everything’s gonna be alright 🙂

        And that bit about the ‘gene’ – Fantastic! You should write a caustic post on politics – am sure it will ROFL worthy 🙂
        me- I agree too Kislay! 🙂 do write a post 😀 it’ll be fun

        • May 22, 2009 9:12 pm

          “his heart bleeds for the aam admi”.
          everyday rahul gandhi and family bleeds aam admi (the common man for non-indian readers )

          me- Now THAT was a good one An!

      • May 21, 2009 9:30 pm

        Priyanka Gandhi for now is letting her brother take the centre stage otherwise he will be left in the cold. She will be back as ‘Madam’ when Raihan and Miraya Gandhi (Vadra) is ready to be crowned.

        Already the entire Vadra family is wiped off ; accidents, suicides. Now it is Robert’s turn.

        me- that sounds ominous 😯

        • Solilo permalink
          May 22, 2009 12:16 pm

          Seriously! why is every Vadra getting killed and it doesn’t even make news.
          me- thats the question..WHy is it NOT making news?

          • May 22, 2009 8:34 pm

            Yes, I wish our media would ask a few questions!! – but is that too much to ask for?

          • May 22, 2009 9:11 pm

            we three seem to reading each other’s mind …

          • Solilo permalink
            May 22, 2009 9:38 pm

            Yes, we are. 🙂 I am in agreement with your comment on Shastri ji too. Whatever happened to his family? If Kith and Kin of all ex. Prime Ministers are getting importance then what happened to his children?

            So many coincidences and still no iota of doubt on Dynasty fanatics.

            You know the day Benazir Bhutto retured to Pakistan I told my husband that this woman is soon going to be dead and her good-for-nothing-husband will take over. The comment was in jest but that’s what happened exactly after a week. I was told by my husband to stay stifled on premonitions. Ha..ha…ha..

          • May 22, 2009 9:54 pm

            Sols, i said the same thing to my husband too.. i then met a pakistani man at the bus station and we got talking.
            http://thetwentysecondline.blogspot.com/search/label/pakistan%20political%20will.

          • Solilo permalink
            May 22, 2009 10:12 pm

            An, Now that is an eerie coincidence. 😀 I just read that piece and I guess this is also one of those things which people know but they prefer to keep quiet.

    • May 21, 2009 12:15 pm

      Here is a jingle –

      Toofan hai yeh , Hai yeh ek Gandhi ,
      Hai bahut bada maharathi , aur Prajatantra ka sentry ,
      Mere bharatvasiyon , Humare Rahul Baba hain ,
      Is desh ke agle Pradhna Mantri . Jai Ho !

      me- 😆
      wah!

      😀

    • August 22, 2009 2:59 am

      Absolutely bang on!!
      *applause*

  15. May 20, 2009 5:54 pm

    Rahul baba should be in Bollywood, we shall call him our DIMPU and blow kisses! He has to prove himself yet ….

    But dynasty is here to stay, so it the phrase “Jaante nahin main kaun hoon?”

    me- 😆
    Dimpu??
    blow him kisses?will totally do that 😀

    jaante nahin main kaun hoon?
    😀
    awesome!
    and add to that Jaante nahin mera baap/maa/behen/daadimaa/pardada kaun hain?
    and suitable sound effects from one of Dharam Paaji ‘s movies 😀

  16. May 20, 2009 7:34 pm

    Indy, a disclaimer first – I almost agree to whatever you say about dynasty politics! I do not support it!

    Now, i’ll take some time in reading the post and commenting on it. 🙂

    me- oho! a disclaimer! 😀
    okay 😀 I know you dont 🙂
    come and share your thoughts 😛

  17. nitwitnastik permalink
    May 20, 2009 7:43 pm

    Excellent article Indyeah !! I will star it in my reader to come back to it when I need some arguments 😀

    me- Thank you so much 😀
    glad it will help 😀

  18. nitwitnastik permalink
    May 20, 2009 7:51 pm

    Oh Btw, India is not the only country where dynastic politics is played. In the US it is pretty prevalent too – The Bushes and the Kennedys are some of the popular names but there’s an entire list of such families.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._political_families

    Maybe we should create one for India too

    me- thanks for the link NN! 🙂
    I had no clue about most of them

    creating one for India might be adamn tough task 😀
    coz we would have to write reams..adding new ones everyday 😀

  19. Rahul Verma permalink
    May 20, 2009 9:17 pm

    I think you missed this duo:

    YS Rajashekhara Reddy: YS Jaganmohan Reddy (Won from Cuddapah)
    N Chandrababu Naidu: N Lokesh (Being ‘groomed’ at Stanford to enter AP politics)

    me- welcome here Rahul 🙂
    and thank you for the names 🙂

    though the list has not been compiled by me..just surfed the net and found it..will add the names you have given as well as the ones given by Saritha 🙂

  20. May 20, 2009 10:21 pm

    Briiliant one Indyeah!!! you seem to have echoed most of what I think personally…….

    For me, the only way you go up is thru hard work!!!! not a last name….
    The dynasty concept is ingrained in most of us… whether it be our companies, actors, businessmen, or politicians…….

    check this out:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_families_of_India

    me- thank you so much OG 🙂
    yeah it is sad to see how ingrained it is in us.. 😦

    thanks for the link OG 🙂

  21. May 20, 2009 11:00 pm

    Finally! Someone who thinks a bit along the same lines I do! Yeah baby! You’ve said everything that I’ve been feeling the last few days!
    me- glad to see that you think that MM 😀
    err I mean..just a wild guess..you know just a shot in the dark 😀
    I am assuming you are not A RAhul fan? 😀

    Yes, Rahul is cute. But have I forgotten how he got admission into St. Stephen’s College through the ‘sports quota’? (excuse me…shooting?!?)
    me- Shooting? 😀
    I had no idea! all I knew was that it was Some sport!

    entering Stephen’s hallowed grounds dont require much then..at least for these demi gods/goddesses..mere mortals still hav ot go through the grind 😀

    Can I forget the family he belongs to? (as if any of us have a choice!)
    me- and yet apparently the surname doesnt matter much 😀
    a Gandhi?
    who is a gandhi ?we are supposed to say nonchalantly 😀

    Yes, he did a great job of pulling in the voters, the urban youth (a much ignored segment of our country), but does that automatically mean he qualified for the nation’s highest post?!? I think it just means he’d be great in marketing brands!
    me- ROFL!!
    rahul as a marketing agent!
    thats precisely what he is doing 😀

    good one MM! 😀

    Much hoopla surrounds the results of this election. Great. It’s good to be hopeful, but let’s also be watchful.
    me- absolutely!

  22. May 20, 2009 11:08 pm

    What do I say, Indygurl 🙂

    You leave me open-mouthed and admiring, each and each and each and every time 🙂

    This is hard hitting, incisive, well researched, and altogether a way beyond the best kind of writing, that is going to raise Rahul ‘Andhi [thanks Kislay :)] ante, when he does read this 🙂

    I hope he does.
    me- thank you so much Ushus 🙂
    (((hugs))))and your words on this or any other topic are like manna from heaven 😀
    😀 Rahul reads this?I sure hope so 😀

    Dynasty means so much to India, that I wonder if we will ever let go of it.
    Whether it is in Bollywood, Politics, or anywhere else, we thrive on being servile to our Lords and Ladies of the higher elevated echelons, and if they are Blue Blood, with a bit of foreign blood in them, why not, why not indeed.
    me- *sigh*
    sometimes it seems so hopeless doesnt it UShus ?this servile mentality? 😦
    Lords and Ladies of the higher elevated echelons, and if they are Blue Blood, with a bit of foreign blood in them, why not, why not indeed.
    and take a bow Ushus for in your ever polite manner you have said it so amazingly!

    So to Rahul Gandhi. Just finished writing a comment on IHM’s about a fan’s reasons why Rahul… . Just that. He has his reasons, and is convinced of them probably. I somehow cannot still fathom how 🙂
    me- yes..India is a country of contrats..and tehre will be many both educated and uneducated who will fawn over this blue blooded prince…
    I think no one has been able to fathom this charm at play here 🙂

    Rahul has a bit of foot in mouth disease, and is too humble to be true :D! These two traits do not go together, and yet he manages! There is naivete, for sure, but I only hope the innocence sustains to make him stronger and more responsible.

    me- 😆
    good observation Ushus 😀
    all of it seems too much of a pretence at times 🙂
    one wonders how this ‘naive’ chap ‘survives’ in this world at times 😀

    I hope so too 🙂

    Great post, Indygurl. Way to go. You spoke for a multitude who gnash their teeth at undeserving leaders, such as these.

    A wonderful compilation of the dynasticism at work too, in different parts of India.
    me- thank you again Ushus 🙂 thank you so very much 🙂

    The last link was esp. helpful, Lol, about choosing our fav. heroes from the refelctions blog :P!

    me- ROFL!! nancy and all of us have bared our aatmaas on that post of hers 😀
    there’s a veritable galaxy of em out there 😀

    Hrithik? Do please remind me when he makes it :P!
    Me too, will vote 😀 :D!
    me- 😆
    will do !

    Enjoyed this thoroughly… esp the way you pulled the carpet from under the feet mid way through the post. I only hope Rahul baba will pick himself up, dust himself off, and get to work :D!

    me- 😀 that is the hope for sure 😀

  23. May 20, 2009 11:57 pm

    I too find Rahul Gandhi sweet & nice & dimpled & clean & pretty boy & all[tho it was his father whom I adored].
    me- Rajiv too eh? 😀

    Totally agree with U….the above doesnt mean I like him enoff to have him as PM of my country…..he’s got a looong way to go though I must admit again that this past year he’s been making all the right moves :-).
    me- yeah he has been quiet and non controversial 🙂
    one hopes he continues it that way 🙂
    like you said so aptly he has got a LOONg way to go 🙂
    may he learn a thing or two while going there 😀

    This fascination with the Gandhi family is not something which can be wiped out just like tht.
    me- sad but true! 😦
    U knw it reminds me of our Cricket Team situation around 8-10yrs back…our very own Tendulkar baba loomed larger than life in everybody psyche tht if he fell early the whole team & the country just gave up without a fight. I’m sure everybody’s noticed tht after he left due to injuries, the eleven woke up to realise[with a bit of help from our able captain ofcourse] tht only Teamwork wins matches.
    me- great example Nancy!
    yep!but also India did learn eventually na? 😀
    in this case that doesnt seem to be happening 😦
    plus being the PM is such serious business…make or break for a nation..
    while Tendulkar was just a sportsman..( a diff matter that sometimes it seemed that he was the ONLY player in India )

    Similarly this subservience to the Gandhi family must end….there are many capable people with excellent leadership qualities who can show their metal if[ever] given a chance.
    me- yes..true…hope it ends in my lifetime atleast 🙂

    p.s: Smitha’s comment hits the nail on the head!!!!!!
    me-yep!She has said it brilliantly! 🙂

    p.p.s: Indyeah, ur alerts abt looooong posts dont shock us anymore. Next if u want to give us a jhatka try “Short Post alert”;-/

    me- okay gurl dont say I didnt warn you 😛
    you are there on the list 😛

    • May 21, 2009 12:02 am

      And hey…thanks for the mention 🙂
      me- you are most welcome Nancy ! 🙂
      your post(brilliant it was ) and the comments too were so darn interesting! 😀

      I could spend the entire day ogling 😀

    • May 21, 2009 1:18 am

      I agree with Nancy. Don’t alert us when you write essays. 😛 I will be shocked when you write a short post so alert us only then. bhagoooooooooooo
      me- what?
      ye Indyeah ke khilaaf saazish hai!isme viideshi taakaton ka haath hai 😆

      yeah you better run darl coz I can run fast 😛

  24. May 21, 2009 12:18 am

    Again a well researched and written post. As always I have to tell you that you should really do political analysis because I rarely see such unbiased views on TV or net. It is always a one-sided view which is clubbed as “secular” views. In the run to be the “most secular” we are sweeping veracity under the carpet.
    me- thank you so much Solilo 🙂
    ha! ha! political views? all of em will throw me out 😀
    na idhar ki na udhar ki 😉

    muahh for saying that though 😀

    completely agree that under the guise of secularism some very questionable and sometimes outright blatant mistakes/incidents are being swept under the carpet

    It is like most people have accepted nepotism as the way of life in India. I agree that nepotism is prevalent in all fields but in every field a Doctor’s child is not going to come up to you and say I have Doctor genes in me so I can already do surgery, why go to 7 years of medical school and then work in rural area.
    me- ha!ha! 😀 had to laugh at the ‘I have Doctor genes in me so I can already do surgery

    In our film industry and politics that’s not the case. They claim that they have those genes and they get to top positions without much effort. Otherwise how will you explain Bachchan junior who is now hailed as a pretty decent actor still here after 11 straight flops? Each star kid gets so much exposure through photoshoots and magazines that we start warming up to them. The kind of build up before a star son debuts is definitely different than an ordinary guy’s. What’s funny is that even after couple of flops, if they have the clout; they get good banners and at some point start giving hits. This all works because of visibility. I know..I know..this is not about dimpled Roshan and about dimpled Gandhi so coming back to another field where nepotism is so blatant that now people have accepted it as the ideal way.

    I can understand an uneducated villager from Amethi singing praises of Gandhi scions but even the educated giving reasons to support nepotism seriously gets my goat and the arguments are so sad. I start wondering if they have any clue about dynasty or 60+ years of Congress. From where did Rahul become the hero all of a sudden? His visibility.

    me- that is damn interesting Solilo!
    I mean of course we are aware of it (in the sense that we see it everyday)but to read it here puts it in a new light.. constant exposure! I bet that is one of the major factors too…all that media exposure must be for something right?

    that Is sad ..educated or not I suppose its the mindset that refuses to leave us or rather we refuse to leave it 😦

    He is on screen 24/7 convincing all and sundry that he is the only savior of this country. A country which their family served for so many years that he automatically qualifies as the crown prince.
    me- EXACTLY!

    Tell me didn’t we abolish princely state system eons ago? Just 2 weeks back Priyanka Gandhi comes on a tête-à-tête with Barkha Dutt and very confidently says that even though people consider me as the successor, I am not going to join politics at all. It is Rahul and people need to accept him and see him in new light. Yeah! Right so Congress has only 2 choices..pick one from two Gandhi scions.
    me-a farce Solilo..a damn farce!this is exactly what bugs me about Priyanka!I mean if she lieks politics so mcuh then join it already woman!
    she does seem mature than Rahul for sure (going y her interviews such a sthe one shared by Kislay)

    I will come back on it more. Just pressed for time at the moment but again kudos to such well-researched analysis. It helps us see the other side of the coin which is often masked these days.
    me- thanks SOlilo 🙂
    its more of newspaper/magazine articles rather than a post 🙂

    (((hugs))))

    • May 21, 2009 9:05 am

      @ political analysis.. It doesnt have marketable value? Who cares about it anyways? All of us want masala.. and thats what media spouts 😐

    • August 22, 2009 3:13 am

      I so agree!You must go for the political talk and analysis,at least we’ll be spared the “secularism mumbo-jumbo”!!

      Solilio,your comments are wonderful and right on the mark 🙂

  25. May 21, 2009 12:19 am

    Can I please suggest a title change?

    I love Rahul Gandhi — Because nepotism rules 😉

    me- and done!

    • May 22, 2009 8:44 pm

      you may want to remove the 😀 because this is a serious statment.

      me- done …though it was intended as a sarcastic /laugh worthy(is there such a word?)smiley aimed at people who think that nepotism chalta hai

      and I am soo tempted to put one here as well

      but wont coz you said so 😛

  26. May 21, 2009 12:20 am

    Dimple Kumar/Khan will be a hit in Bollywood

    There are people who want to give him chance because he is good-looking. Hello! will he star in Kissa Kongress ke Krantikariyon ka directed by Karan Johar.

    me- ROFL!! Dimple Kumar! 😆

    hai ram ! what a name to give Solilo! 😀

    KJo is aptly suited for directing this one 😉

  27. May 21, 2009 12:43 am

    Is this telepathy or what? I posted on the same ..errr same person. I wanted to know what made every body suddenly go gaga over Rahul Gandhi. Can’t say I totally agree with the reasons, but it’s good to know what people think.

    Main reason why I get irritated is the overt fawning by the other party members.
    me- you did?
    telepathy it must be then 🙂
    the overt fawning is rather off putting na? 🙂

  28. May 21, 2009 1:13 am

    Long is an understatement 😀
    me- nahinn!!
    Reema! ke do ki ye jhooth hai!
    naye dost ne bhi dhokha de diya
    ? 😛
    Indyeah making her list of people she wants to give supari for..

    1.Vimmuu
    2.Amit
    3.Nancy
    4.Reema
    5.Solilodosti ki wajah se Solilo ko maaf kiya…ek jeevan daan diya 😀
    6.Smithafor that brilliant comment Smitha ki jaan bhi baksh di gayi
    waiting to see who else will open their mouths 😀

    PS:-also Indyeah needs Solilo Don to do her supari work 😀
    so need Solilo for that 😀
    muah gurl ..wont ever give supari for you 😀

    edited to add
    7.Badz
    8.OG (since he seems to have a death wish 😀 ) *evil laughter rings out*

    • May 21, 2009 2:21 am

      I feel sad that my name does not appear in that list!!! 😛 😛

      me- you are crazy! 😛

      • May 21, 2009 12:13 pm

        Indyeah! I suggest you put him on. He probably want’s to die by ur hit man rather than solilo’s hands. Poor guy is heart broken. Dhiren has been two timing sorry i mean three timing him. 😉 😛

        me- ROFL!!!!good one! 😆
        Badz now toh OG will be after your life you imp! 😛

        • May 21, 2009 2:52 pm

          ROlF !!! Dhiren two timing/three timing OG 🙂
          me- 😀

          PS:-please note Dhiren that Indyeah has turned into an achcha bachcha now and is not contributing 😛

          • May 21, 2009 6:25 pm

            Stop the dirty jokes… !!!

            puhleeez….

            learn some clean humour !!!

            Hey ram… !

            me – achcha ! no more dirty jokes 😛
            and no more troubling you and OG 😀
            but then you also cant trouble me 😛 😛

          • May 23, 2009 11:52 am

            deal !

          • May 23, 2009 1:24 pm

            and my legs are aching and my ears too… will you stop the sit ups on the last post of mine !

          • May 23, 2009 3:38 pm

            Aww! Bless! 🙂

            me- Thanks:)

    • May 21, 2009 2:22 am

      I feel sad that my name does not appear in that list!!! 😛 😛

      me-What??OG! 😆
      you have a death wish? 😀
      you want a supari to be given in your name ? 😀
      coz thats what it means hiring a hit killer 😀

      • May 21, 2009 3:43 am

        Yes, I awant supari 😛 LOL or “quotation” as we say in trivandrum slang mallu….. 😛 😛

        I love getting suparis 😛

        me- 😆
        you have lost it OG!! 😛
        this the quotation you will regret saaarrr!! 😛

        *Indyeah feeling bad coz OG never says a word about the long posts and yet wants to be in the list* 😦

        • May 21, 2009 12:10 pm

          Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! 😛

        • May 21, 2009 9:53 pm

          hahahahahahaha 🙂 yeah, I am used to getting quotations…. right from college days 🙂 😉

          me- what? which college was this?
          or more precisely what was it that you used to do? 😀

          • May 22, 2009 3:33 am

            🙂 you would not wanna know 😉 😉 LOL

            me- no I would 😀
            maybe a post on it OG?

          • May 22, 2009 10:12 pm

            Okay 😛 post on quotations…. coming up soon 🙂

            me- will be waiting 😛

      • May 21, 2009 9:06 am

        He wants to be killed by Solileo coz she stole his partner from him 😉

        me- ROFL!!
        OG are you reading this? 😀

        • May 21, 2009 12:09 pm

          ROFL! 😆

        • May 21, 2009 9:53 pm

          😛 😉 LOL…… in this age of degenarating decencies…….. 🙂
          Hey Allah, what is happening in this world 🙂
          me- *Indyeah desperately trying to keep mum*

          • May 22, 2009 10:27 am

            waahe guru…. in logo ko baksh dena… inhe nahi pata yeh kya ghor paap kar rahe hai…

            naaadan hai… !

            me-mmmpphh…
            I am trying not to say anyhting..
            damn!its hard not to 😛

          • May 22, 2009 2:42 pm

            Paan Dhirenji aap bhagwan ho. aapke haato main hota hai na kisko maafi mille??

          • May 22, 2009 2:46 pm

            And Yes Dhiren I know you’re going to ROFL when reading this BUT i’m trying. 😦

          • May 24, 2009 5:07 am

            I think I scared “Bhagwanji” off. 😉

            me- LOL!!
            Dhiren are you listening? 😉

          • June 1, 2009 7:40 am

            Bache gaye. 😉

  29. May 21, 2009 1:29 am

    WoW Indyeah! I found your post very eduactional. I know/knew nothing about indian politics but I am graually learning. I think by the time everyone finishes talking about this, I will be fully clued up how things work and be able to form a proper opinion on this. 🙂
    me- thanks Badz 😀
    thats a good thing 😀 being aware of the political scene is the most imp 🙂

    Good LONG post. 😉
    me-what???? adding Badz’s name to the supari list 😛 (ref to my reply to Reema above 😛

    • May 21, 2009 3:03 am

      LoL! I write long comments and you read them. 🙂 And beside I LOVE reading your post (long or short) and LONG COMMENTS. 😉 😀
      me- awww…Badz will have to remove your name now 🙂
      *looks to see if Badz is looking sincere enough*

      hmm does look like she is sincere 😀
      ((((hugs))))maaf kiya! 😛

  30. May 21, 2009 5:13 am

    It’s easy to mistake charisma for ability – only time will tell if Rajul Gandhi has it in him to be a good leader. Nice post, Indy!
    me- thanks Mystic 🙂
    yep!only time will tell 🙂

    Lol@ the comments about the long post warning. Everyone has their own writing style and detailed, well-researched ones are your forte and we all love that. 🙂

    me- awww thank you so much:)

    *Mystic escapes with her life* 😀

  31. May 21, 2009 8:22 am

    it was motilal nehrus vision that nehru should become PM.
    Outliers – get hold of this book — opens the aam admi to another world
    me- thanks for telling me An..have never read this one..
    will def def read it…

  32. May 21, 2009 8:31 am

    Plato couldn’t have said it better. actually what you ahve written would make a sarcastic puppet show to teach about the perils of dynastic rule to our rural folk – theatre artists in delhi or film makers are you reading ?
    me- Plato had a lot of gyaan didnt he?
    all his quotes specially this one leave one in awe…they are eternal words to live by…

    I had seena play in college which was something along these lines…only thing is that noone seems to pay any attention to nukkad naatak or street plays 😦

  33. May 21, 2009 9:32 am

    Whoa! I spent more time reading the comments than reading your post.. and then forgot what I planned to write as comment so read your post again

    Truely I didnt realize the length of the most.. may be I am used to them now 😉 .. but it was so incisive and to the point that.. You cannot call this long!
    me- and Winnie barely but barely escapes with her life! 😛
    awww seriously (((hugs)))))

    Anyhow… the last quote by plato sums up my entire opinion on politics 🙂
    me- I like that one a lot as well 🙂

    Now about Rahul Gandhi and Dynasty ** sigh** it always leads me to the same opinion.. We indians dont really know what “democracy” is all about.. simply coz we do not find the same even @ home what else do we expect in the country?
    me- yes, it starts from home..the mindset the mentality the way we grow up…all of it...

    Also there has to be some “qualifications” for being able to stand elections.. like.. one has to start from a “corporator” and grow upto “MLA” and only then be an “MP” .. and w\o being MP for one term atleast one cannot be a PM.. i think thats the best solution…

    This takes care of grassroot work no? Else everything else is hash work!!
    me- yes…that’s the logical way to do it for sure

    I have no problems with people following the leaders.. for history has marked time and again.. that its leaders who lead.. not the idea.. But then I expect an ideal man to be a leader

    Why is it that we have a dearth of leadership in india?

    You should do a post on this dear.. where did all the leadership go?

    May be we can hire corporate trainers for training politicians..

    Wudnt it be interesting if we made it mandatory that only MBA grads can get into politics? 😉 😉
    me- where did all the leaders go?
    They started dying since the day the Mahatma died…..
    any emerging ones were gobbled up by the system..
    the system which refuses to change because we refuse to change our mindsets…

    India does not have meritocracy in its blood..and is it any wonder with our flawed policies?

    • May 21, 2009 2:55 pm

      Yes Winnie – Agree with everything you’ve said..

      I do wish that portfolios were distributed with the areas of expertise of the persons involved.. But then again – that would be too much to ask for, wouldn’t it? Do we have any ‘qualified’ people – apart from a handful?

      • Winnie the poohi permalink
        May 21, 2009 6:41 pm

        Quality in not an issue. The issue is how many qualified people are willing to take this up?

  34. May 21, 2009 9:34 am

    Whoa! I end up writing more than 2 lines of comment :O :O :O
    me- totally understand 😀

    • May 22, 2009 11:50 pm

      it is called the “indyeah effect” where people tend to write more than what they wanna do……….
      A common problem found among the species “homo-bloggerians” 😛
      me- OG read what SOlilo has written 😀

      • May 23, 2009 2:14 am

        As well Hetero-bloggerians. 😛

        • May 23, 2009 2:14 am

          As well as Hetero-Bloggerians. 😛

          me- 😆

          • May 24, 2009 2:24 am

            LMAO!!

            Luckily they didnt say bi-bloggerians 😛

            me- ROFL!!!!

          • May 24, 2009 9:49 am

            LOL….. just a doubt? are we homo sapiens or hetero sapiens??? 😛

            me- 😀

          • May 24, 2009 8:29 pm

            LoL! OG I thnk we have a mixer of both. We have you and dhiren; 😛 We have solilo and dhrien (in process of divorce now) 🙂 And the rest seem to be hetero as far as we’re aware. 😉

            me- 😆

            Badz! 😉

  35. May 21, 2009 9:41 am

    My sentiments exactly!! 🙂

    @ Reema

    I completely agree 🙂
    me- 🙂
    You agree that it IS a long post?

    *Indyeah jotting down yet anotehr name in the list* 😛

  36. manju permalink
    May 21, 2009 10:16 am

    Abhi, I do not have the strength to comment after reading this post and all the comments, but wanted to tell you- great post!
    me- thanks Manju:)
    LOL@I do not have the strength 😀

  37. May 21, 2009 2:40 pm

    Well… Agar politician ke aulaad politics nahin join karenge toh aur kaun karega?
    In this manner we are at least assured of their “Stanford” or “Stephens” qualifications na? 😉
    me- 😆
    true true!” ye toh socha nahin tha 😀

    And, if I’m not mistaken you forgot to add the Gowda Goondas to the list, especially now that HDK has very real chances of making it into the cabinet… And I believe HDK’s son is also actively pursuing a future career in politics; no Stanford or St. Stephens education for him, he’s decided to opt for the old-fashioned path- a criminal record has SOME purpose after all! 😀
    me- LOL 😀

    Seriously speaking Rahul Baba (to use your chosen epithet) is one of a new age of politicians(for which I am glad), if only he wasn’t a Gandhi. But then he wouldn’t be here, would he? So, I think it’s time for us to keep a record as to whether the PM-in-waiting actually does something to earn the title…or not.
    me- I really really like Rahul gandhi…its when ppl fawn over him atht I get MAJORLY turned off!

    yes track record is the way to go..and thats what this post is all about 🙂

    I have a feeling Priyanka would be 10 times the politician that Rahul is… But, on a personal note, me loves aforementioned dimples 😉

    me- yep she does seem to have more brains 🙂
    but then again with her too I will have a wait and watch policy 🙂

    moi loves dimples too 😀
    *sigh*
    😀

  38. May 21, 2009 3:48 pm

    Gawd!!Dude are you trying to snatch my crown? 😀
    I already have a lot of competitors for it 😀

    To repeat my disclaimer, I don’t support dynastic rule in politics and I’m not a fan of Rahul Gandhi either. I’ve always voted for the BJP except this time when I wasn’t in India. If I was, I would’ve voted for the Congress for different reasons.

    Me- yep! The reasons for voting for each party are different and that’s an individual’s prerogative.
    .to each his/her own.

    Indy, there can be no dispute that dynasty politics makes democracy look farcical. So I’m not at all going to contest you on that topic.

    Me- yeah it does doesn’t it?
    But when we say “Democracy” what do we exactly mean by that? It is a philosophy where all people have equal access to lead the rest. Now by definition, the word democracy totally falls apart in India.

    Me- yep!Everyone has the right to contest elections (unless bound by some rules or some criteria)
    And yes that definition of Democracy in India as we all know is a sham at best!
    I mean sure anyone can contest but we all know that money talks..and no one can take a single step without the help (translated to mean being a part of some political party)political. Party …

    But then, what is the process of Democracy? The process is that all people exercise their right to vote and select someone amongst themselves to lead the rest. What this essentially means that it’s the people who decide.

    Me- I agree completely.

    Plain and Simple, If I were a lawyer, I’d say – People have decided that Congress will lead. End of argument. But I know, your argument is not technical but rather introspectional.

    Me- No Rakesh.. I do NOT have a problem with the Congress win..What I Have a problem with is the fact that this win is being attributed to the crown prince!
    I mean WTH!!!

    All the people who vote for Congress know for a fact that the Gandhi family almost owns the Congress. So you cannot contest that the people voted for MMS and not Sonia. When people vote for the Congress, they know that whatever Sonia says is the rule and obviously Rahul is a power centre in the party because of his dynasty. So if the people voted for Congress, that is the end of story.

    Me- That is true to some extent Rakesh..but if people have voted knowing fully well that the reins are in Sonia’s hands and that the power centre is Rahul (as you believe)then doesn’t it make your point of ‘people have voted for Mannohan’ seem invalid?

    I mean either the people have voted for the dynasty OR they have voted for Dr Singh..

    Also saying that people have voted knowing fully well that the reins are in Sonia’s hands and that Rahul is the karta dharta …. takes away the credit from Dr Singh.

    Like I said and let me reiterate that I am NOT opposed to the Congress win in any way..it’s the fawning over the blue blooded Rajkumar I am opposed to…
    I think its not as simplistic as all that…

    The Congress has come to power DESPITE the dynasty and not because of it…

    If People are as aware of Rahul being the karta dharta then why didn’t the Congress showcase him as the PM in running?
    Because it was well aware that people will NOT vote for Rahul or the dynasty and that they WILL vote for an economist, a respected one mind you, like Dr Singh.
    .

    Who are you and I to say that the people are stupid and they don’t know what they are doing by voting for the Congress?

    Me- 😀 correction Rakesh..like I said and will say again for the Nth time, I know the people have voted for the Congress …
    The people don’t know?they are stupid??
    When did I say that now I wonder? 😀

    Even if they are, then anyways in a Democracy, the leadership reflects the people.
    Me-.ah!well people are NOT stupid dude!
    On the contrary you said that the Gujaratis are uneducated 😀 (going by your theory in your comment on the last post of mine) 😀

    I completely abhor dynasty in politics as well but still I’d have voted for the Congress this time round for whatever reason.

    Me- sure!that’s a fine thing..like I said all of us have our own reasons..and no it aint the Congress win I am opposed to..it’s the credit being given to the wrong guy that gets me fuming!I am the Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka! 😀

    Of course, he is given a status that is more than equal because of his family name.
    Me- and we come back to the crux of the matter!! 😀

    But for a moment, let me ask you. What would you do if you were in his shoes? Think about it, your family is in Politics and has provided India 3 Prime Ministers and if you wanted to enter politics, what would you do?

    You would enroll as a member of the Congress, then work towards developing the party, developing your constituency if you win an election, be in public life.

    Me- yep!totally agree!
    But
    a QUESTION Rakesh…now imagine if I were to enter politics and do all that you mentioned..you know like be a total Congress bhakt and all that and slog it out like anything and in general sacrifice my entire life for the Congress..

    and oh yes Imagine for a moment that I am talented as hell in politics !
    now keeping all this in mind do you think I would have as good a chance as Rahul baba at being the PM of India ten years down the line?
    Honestly would I?

    And now do you wonder anymore as to why we dont have an Obama and never WILL?

    Obviously when you do that, you would be given more respect than others because of your family. How can we escape from that? It is normal human nature to respect everyone associated with the Power Centre.

    Me- Then why do we not see all the other families getting this same ‘respect’?
    I mean we don’t even remember the names of the others do we?(ref to names given below)

    It is not possible for a Prime Minister’s son to be anonymous. Even if he works at the lowest levels, he’ll still attract a lot of attention.

    Me- If that is the case Rakesh then can you please tell me the name of Chandrashekhar’s son?
    OR
    Lal Bahadur Shastri’s?
    Or How about the names of the children of H.D Devegowda?
    OR the names of children of Gulzari La Nanda?
    OR P.V Narasimha Rao’s?

    Is it wrong if a party uses that power / charisma to win elections? I dunno.

    Me- Congress won the elections because of Rahul’s Charisma?
    That was so not the point of my post dude..
    And Rahul did not ‘help’ the Congress win..it would be naive on our part to believe THAT.

    But is Rahul Gandhi wrong in canvassing for his party?

    Me- 🙄 Did I say it was wrong? What I and so many others on this comment thread are objecting to is the fact that RAHUL Gandhi is being fawned over (and how!) and the win of the Congress is being attributed to him!!
    I mean does that make any sense to you?
    It sure doesn’t to me.

    As of now, I don’t think he’s treading on the wrong path. I think he’s doing what he oughta do, what you and I or any honest person in his position would do. If he uses his position to avoid the red tape and get NREGA to work successfully, I’d give him some credit for it. After all, you don’t need to have knowledge of everything, you just need the will.

    Me- Rakesh I don’t have a problem if he does use his ‘connections’(and really India gave birth to that damn word!)
    But the question is NOT that Rahul Baba gets the work done..

    The question is that who will not be able to get the work done if people listen to you because you are a scion?I think if I were born in that family hell!I would be able to get the work done too!

    The point Rakesh that you are missing is (sorry Roop 😉 ) that Rahul cannot take the credit for the success for the success of the NREGA!(BTW success is an overstatement coz NREGA has not been able to achieve its targets in many areas)

    File an RTI application (a friend is already doing that btw) and then find out for yourself as to how much Rahul Ji has actually ‘done’

    Ya, don’t go gaga over him. We aren’t. It’s only the stupid media who have run out of stories since election is over.

    Me- no not just the media but Congress supporters too as also the Rahul fans

    But to hate him just coz. he’s a Gandhi is being too harsh.

    Me-hate?Are you serious? 😕
    Hate is a damn strong word dude!and nowhere did I use the word Hate..
    Re-read the post(and comments) please and do see how I don’t want him to retire at all and how I am willing to eat my words if he proves himself in a few years…does that sound like the statement of someone who HATES him? 😯

    Indy, you gotta understand that power is a very complex thing. It cannot be governed. You or I cannot say that this man should have power or that woman shouldn’t have power. It flows automatically for a number of reasons and depending on the inherent nature of human beings or people within an environment.

    Me- that’s a very ermm outta the topic kinda argument and very generic at that… 😀
    I mean going by that theory even Varun Gandhi would have the same ‘power’ as Rahul Gandhi eh?
    And quite legitimate power too?

    Are you ready to accept the concept of Varun Gandhi’s ‘power’?

    If our basic instinct in India has been to not consider nepotism an evil, it isn’t Rahul Gandhi’s fault.
    Me- sure it isn’t his fault..and sure it is in our blood..but the purging has to start sometime..so why not now ?
    Or do we want to escape as usual and want the next generation to deal with it?just as the previous generation didn’t deal with it?

    Again, I’m not his fan. I’m also surprised by the way his party members say “It is his call to take when he wants to be a minister.”

    Me- THAT is the main point of all the angst in this post and the comments

    But honestly, I don’t see it as a big problem. Not for now at least. I guess, we have more serious issues on hand to be dealt with.

    Me- sure we agree its not a big problem(which btw depends on what India’s definition of a big problem is)

    Nepotism?nah!not a prob!coz it runs in our blood ..makes me very cynical…it does..

    The reason people are having a problem with this now is..
    Had the Congress supporters been nice and quiet and attributed the win to The party and more precisely DR Singh then we (read ‘the others’) …had absolutely no problem!none at all!

    But no! no sir!
    They couldn’t let a good thing last could they?

    I mean all of us , all of India was happy that finally here was a party that had achieved a near majority..and we were all celebrating despite our different political leanings..

    And then wham!!

    Whispers started coming up of how this win was Rahul baba’s work..

    All the gushing fawning and what not started…
    The news channels made(and are still making )
    me barf!
    The one smart thing the Congress has done is to keep Rahul Baba away from power as of now..he will have no portfolio if rumours are to be believed..and that’s the right way to do it I think..let him watch and observe and learn..then a few years down the line I will be ready to accept him..

    Yes Nepotism is dangerous but I’m sure if Rahul Gandhi was a drug addict or had a criminal background, people would’ve rejected him.

    Me-if that was the criteria I am sure a LOT of Indians could qualify..
    Almost everyone I know fulfills that criteria.
    plus I assume when you say people WOULD have rejected him you do mean Amethi win don’t you?Or do you too mean to say that Rahul is singlehandedly responsible for the Congress win?
    and if the India voter is that great at knowing all about those with a criminal/drug addict kind of record…then why did VG get elected despite the hate speeches?(and the speeches were right before the elections so there was no way the voters of Pilibhit could pretend to ‘forget’ his speeches/record )

    Especially, I’m getting to respect the intelligence of the Indian Voter after these results.

    Me- err the Indian Voter also made Varun gandhi win.. also made Modi win..I can give you a whole list that will make India’s intelligentsia weep.. 😐
    So in short..a lot of people might disagree with you ..

    As far as the intelligence of the Indian Voter is concerned, I respect the intelligence of the voters simply because they voted for stability and DR Singh.
    End of story.


    PS:-and now I realize that this has become a separate post 😀
    your words and mine 😀

    • May 21, 2009 6:27 pm

      yes… this is a separate post… I m sure Abhi, you wrote atleast 3 words for each word Rakesh wrote… !! gosh…

      yea yea… running already and fast… god ! she runs fast tooo !!!!

      me- *hmmpphh*

      so not talking to Dhiren 😛 :P/strong>

    • May 21, 2009 9:25 pm

      I wish I could reply sentence by sentence Indy, just as you do… Makes the argument sound great since each sentence is replied individually and the crux of the argument is lost… 🙂
      okay I am back! 😀
      me- And here I was under the impression that a point by point rebuttal is the way to debate 😛
      but seriously are you kidding?that long a comment to be answered just like that? 😀
      I am a mortal baba! I had to keep coming back to see and read all the lines 😀

      Not that I’m complaining. In any case, we both agree that Nepotism is not good for democracy.
      me- yep we do!

      To revisit a few issues where we differ:

      1. I think that this win can be attributed to Rahul as well. A major part of it actually. He did canvass to a great extent in UP where the party was revived. See, I think Congress got an awesome combination of factors together.
      me- yes this is where I am not debating merely have a diff opinion..(the best psephologists are not able to agree right now) 😀
      I DO NOT think that Congress win can be attributed to RG

      A large part of the Urban middle class who were unsure were driven away from the BJP mainly because of the Varun issue, since they felt Congress is the lesser evil (and you and I personally know such a lot of people, don’t we)
      me- I agree..many BJP supporters (and even other parties) were driven to the Congress after the VG episode

      Secondly, the poor and the ones who love the Gandhi family were attracted clearly by Rahul. I think UP constitutes most of this kind. (I may be generalising a bit here but I think it holds to an extent)
      me- SO Rahuls’ popularity in UP made the Congress win nationwide as well?a major contributor to the win in UP?yes I agree..
      but nationwide?
      nope I dont agree

      Thirdly, Manmohan Singh, Chidambaram and few other members of the cabinet had a clean image which the educated class seemed to like; while the BJP didn’t give the impression that they had people who could handle important portfolios
      me- absolutely! that is whY the Congress is looking so good because they DO have the leaders who know their stuff…educated and intelligent and young leaders as well..
      The BJP’s PMinisterial candidate wasnt exactly the best choice…

      And finally the visibility of young members such as Pilot, Scindia, Deora, Jindal etc. in the ranks of the Congress lured the young and new voters to it who as yet had not promised a life long affiliation to any party as yet. Again here, I think Rahul had something to do coz. he always spoke about young members coming forward and taking some responsibility.
      me- what?I was just about to nod my head at the mention of young leaders and then you attribute this accountability factor also To Rahul?(dont agree at all ))

      are you sure you are not a die hard reborn Congress supporter? 😀
      absolutely sure?
      yeah you voted or the BJP earlier but still are you sure ? 😛

      Clearly, I see Rahul as though not the only contributor but of course, a big contributor in this big margin win, even if he played on sentiments that you and I abhor.
      me- though I dont believe that rahul can be credited for the nationwide win ..yet my post was not about this at all..
      it was about the way RAhul is a product of Dynasticism..and hence subject to a more much more intense scrutiny

      2. I think my argument about Power is not irrelevant or a very generic one. It has relevance here because what has happened is that suddenly Rahul Gandhi seems to have become a power centre. And that is your angst precisely ie. Why should he have power without having done anything substantial? And would you have the same power if you worked and slogged for the congress.
      me- yep!put this way this is relevant !(or maybe I have just gotten the point ) 😛
      and yes rahul has not dome anything substantial and that is my grouse

      And that is exactly my point. Power comes to someone because of reasons that the public seem to consider important. These reasons may not always seem correct but if the people think ‘khandan’ holds importance, then so be it.
      me-hmm..true very true..but surely I at least can air my angst?
      that is all the post was about so that even though most of India’s educated and not soi educated people seem to have been taken in but some people can at least discuss this?

      On the point of Varun Gandhi, it isn’t only about one constituency. The country will be lead by what a majority of people across the country think. Now, if BJP would have won because of Varun’s vitrolic speech, I think we would’ve needed to shut up coz. if the majority of India thinks hating muslims is good, we would’ve had to comply.
      me- VG is a moron! and yes you are right on the majority thing..
      just as I am not willing to think that RG has a major role to play in the Congress win in the same way I would not have thought that a BJP win had anything to do with VG..

      to simplify it to that extent would be foolhardy..

      do you mean to say that as long as VG remains in power and keeps spewing hatred any and very BJP win will be credited to him???

      and that the majority of India(incase of a BJP win) will be labeled as muslim haters???

      that is absurd!

      And when I said, I’ve started believing their intelligence, I meant overall. Of course, you can never have all the people having the same thinking.

      3. And on your question, Then why do we not see all the other families getting this same ‘respect’? The power that flows to the next person associated with the original power centre depends on the popularity of the original power centre. So since Jawaharlal Nehru was a known household name and so was Indira Gandhi, much more popular than Chandrashekhar and Devegowda, the power of the Gandhi son would be more than that of Chandrashekhar or Dewegowda’s son. Of course, as you can see, a lot of other sons also derive power from their parents but it is direclty proportionate to their parent’s power.

      Lal Bahadur Shastri was a very popular leader but his visible contribution was limited to the 18 to 19 months because of his untimely death. Nehru on the other hand, ruled the country for 17 years, Indira Gandhi for 16 years and Rajiv Gandhi for 5 years. So there is bound to be a disparity in their popularity.
      me- yep!This I totally get now and agree on as well..coz this was something taht Congress supporters were not willing to agree on..acc to them A gandhi is like any otehr Indian among the billion plus we have here 😀
      ROFL:!!
      who are we kidding?
      thanks for this point Rakesh..this is totally understandable

      4. On how Congress workers started fawning over Rahul Baba, well the same thing happened with Sonia Gandhi in 2004 if you remember. And that did get your and my goat 😉 and so does this. But it’s not such a big deal Indy. Coz. at the end, sense prevails and that’s what matters at the end. He isn’t a PM and not even a Cabinet minister if rumours are to be believed. So I think, sense has prevailed. There are a few stupid people in all parties. But yes, I still maintain my first point that Rahul can also be credited for this big margin win.
      me-yeah thank god for that!!sense prevails:)
      and will always one hopes 🙂
      :P@first point 😀

      5. And finally I reproduce where you agree with me – “The one smart thing the Congress has done is to keep Rahul Baba away from power as of now..he will have no portfolio if rumours are to be believed..and that’s the right way to do it I think..let him watch and observe and learn..then a few years down the line I will be ready to accept him.”

      Going by your argument, why will you be ready to accept him? Coz. if you were in his place without the family name, you would’ve never got that shot inspite of observing, learning etc.? And isn’t that your main angst.
      me- I will be ready to accept him because I have no choice NOW and I know I will have no choice THEN 🙂
      at best I can and I am just crossing my fingers and hoping that he does prove me wrong 🙂

      Indy, I think, this whole concept of democracy is about power and that is why I said, my argument about power is not generic. Of course, in an Ideal world, we would have all the voters educated and sensible and they would vote for a person based on his qualifications and experience. But we know the world is not ideal. We cannot escape this fact that members of the Gandhi family will enjoy support from the masses. And if that is the basic instinct, so be it.

      me- hmmm true true..but what about us..the elite the educated?why are we so blind and gushing over everything that he does? 😦
      I agree completely on the fact that they derive their power from the masses…

      thanks for the discussion Rakesh… 🙂
      seriously 🙂
      it was interesting and quite informative 🙂

      this below was written earlier 😀

      me- 😯 what???
      no no! please tell me I am hallucinating! ek aur loonnggg comment to answer? 😛 😛
      Rakesh dude!
      I want to say alle and sho shweet and then pretend that I have not seen this comment 😀

      I will suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome now 😛
      thanks to you 😀

      *no!no dont come back with that wisecrack about how I am a comment/long post monster!

      see? *sniggers*I know you too well by now 😛

      will come back and *sigh* reply 😛

      • May 22, 2009 9:26 am

        God Indy, you are *sighing* on seeing a long comment and the prospects of replying to it??? This is so not you!!! Ok next time, no more long comments.
        me-
        nah!do keep commenting 😀
        its more the point by point rebuttal that you find absurd (and that makes me sigh)and since I dont know any other way to debate that makes it tough for me to answer….coz that long a comment needs to be answered meticulously na? 😀

        • May 22, 2009 3:23 pm

          😀 No no, Didn’t find it absurd. Actually in the first comment, you decided where to break the paragraph and answer that’s why.

          So in the next comment, I put numbers so you couldn’t cheat :))
          me- the numbers were easy to understand sure 😀
          but what about when we actually debate verbally?
          Do you monitor interjections? ? 😛
          The opponent or rather the audience picks and chooses it won points all of which have to be answered by the debater 😀

          But honestly, you know, playing Devil’s advocate was fun. Gives me a kick u see, been so long since I last debated in college 🙂

          Even now I feel weird that I wrote such long comments, but it’s only your blog where i can do this ‘zahmat’ 🙂

          me- 😀 I enjoy it too 🙂 specially with friends 🙂 the last time I had a debate cum discussion with another person , it was not the most impersonal one..too many personal attacks were taking place 😦

          LOL@zahmat 😛
          anytime 🙂

          • May 22, 2009 10:06 pm

            is this rakesh or Indyeah using rakesh’ id ??? itna lamba comment… phew.. !!

            and ‘di you should be loving rahull… !!! really… 160 comments !!!

            me- LOL! Dhiren.. Indyeah’s influence has spread far and wide… 😛

            I do love Rahul..his dimpled smile to be precise 😛

  39. May 21, 2009 5:54 pm

    Sorry if I have answered comments randomly..was answering them as they were being posted 😀
    loovee all the comments btw 😀
    even the mad-shad ones 😛
    will be back to reply to ALL of them in a bit 😀

  40. Happy Kitten permalink
    May 21, 2009 6:02 pm

    as usual am late to comment and find myself after 85 comments! Dont know how you manage such a detailed article that never deviates from the subject! do u expect the same from your students too? 🙂
    me- thanks a lot 🙂
    nah! I am pretty easy going with them 😀

    Thanks for putting up my comment..

    “It’s because of the fear that they might lose their grip over the family silver”

    I think the above is the main reason why Sonia decided to hang onto India while some of the gullible voters think it is because of her undying love for India.. without political power how can she manage the wealth and amass more? since she found that most of the Indian voters are averse to her Italian background, she choose her son. If she could learn Hindi, tour Amethi before elections, her son can sleep in Amethi and just open his mouth.. there is nothing to lose but much to gain.

    and this is the main reason why we continue to have generations vying for seats. Our democracy has ensured that politics is the best post when it comes to making money and there are only a handful who have not done so.
    me- yep!money speaks my friend and how!though all of them are equally pathetic but the khandaans especially refuse to let go of lucrative offices
    you have given valid reasons ..reasons that we witness everyday…all the time on the media 24X7…

    From Kerala you can add K.M Mani’s son Jose K. Mani whom we hear will be given a portolio.
    me-thanks ..will do 🙂

  41. May 21, 2009 6:22 pm

    This reminds of an incident which is related to Rahul Baba , Sonia Jee and the Congress . It was the 2006 Football WC , Italy VS France , the finals . I wasn’t supporting any team (I don’t support till I see the Indian Tricolour) , till I heard about the Congress workers , who were cheering for Italy . Any guesses why ? “Rahul jee ka nanihaal hai” and “Sonia jee ka mayka hai” . The height of sycophancy . And when Materazzi called Zidane a terrorist , that gave me another reason to cheer for Italy . And the bozos celebrated Italy’s victory by distributing sweets and what not .

    me- 😆
    maayka and nanihaal?
    ROFL!!!

    Kislay that was so hilarious!!! 😀

    and true 😦

    • May 22, 2009 6:19 am

      I meant , to Cheer for France ! Ooops ! I really hated when Materazzi called Zidane a terrorist .
      me- LOL! that is what I was wondering
      figured it out eventually 😀

  42. May 21, 2009 7:13 pm

    Abhi, Just wanted to add one more thing – sorry — I am absolutely spamming you – but can’t resist adding just one more point.. But does anyone else feel that Narasimha Rao is conspicous by his absence?? Does anyone remember that he was the person who brought MMS to the forefront in 1991? And do you think they would have let us forget him so easily if he had that famous ‘G’ surname? Can’t help wondering..

    me- Smitha dont worry about spamming at all!
    this is not spamming..this is a great discussion .. 🙂

    • May 21, 2009 8:21 pm

      Hit the nail . PV Narasimha Rao was a good PM . He did some good things . But he is not even remembered by his own party members .

      • Solilo permalink
        May 21, 2009 10:19 pm

        That is because Congress want to wash its hands off of any reference to Babri Masjid demolition. They were at the center and Narasimha Rao was the PM still they failed to do anything.

        It is also funny that now they accepted Kalyan Singh into their folds and gave him a clean chit.

        • May 22, 2009 6:30 am

          Poor Solilo . 😦 Even you , like Indyeah , are so “communal” . 😀 Arrey Baba , its Congress , right ? By the virtue of mere association , one can not only become “secular” , but rather the champion of secularism . I propose an experiment – Say or think something hateful and communal , and then go visit the Congress website . I am sure you will feel the difference . If that doesn’t work , you need to visit the nearest Congress office where you can absorb the secular energy being radiated by the BBS ( Black Box of Secularism ) . I wonder how many Kilo Joules of that energy will Praveen Togadia need . Or Osama Bin Laden . 🙂
          me- ROFL!! Kislay you outdo your own self everytime!! 😆
          black box of secularism!
          Congress website and feel the difference? 😆

          • Solilo permalink
            May 22, 2009 12:12 pm

            Ha..ha..ha.. Kislay, You accused me of being “communal”. 😥 Didn’t expect this from you my friend. 😥

            me- ROFL!!!
            ((hugs)) Solilo
            we are both communal darl..lets grin and bear it somehow 😀
            Kislay you made her cry! 😛

          • May 22, 2009 2:41 pm

            @Solilo
            Calling you communal was a joke . 🙂

            All this , and much more goofy,idiotic,sarcastic and slastick humour and a load of other crap is coming in the form of a new post “A case for the PM-in-waiting”
            🙂

          • Solilo permalink
            May 22, 2009 8:10 pm

            Kislay, I know that yaar. 😀 Will catch your new post in couple of days.

          • May 22, 2009 8:40 pm

            Kislay, seriously, you should do a sarky post!

          • May 23, 2009 7:21 am

            Done . 🙂 And posted . Ladies and Gentlemen , I give you , “The case for our next PM ” . Some of you might say it is too harsh and sarcastic .

      • May 22, 2009 10:15 pm

        to open up the economic gates was narsimha rao’s brain child. chidambaram and manmohan singh took instructions from narsimha rao. narsimha rao’s loyalty was with the gandhi family and not with the country.

        In a circle they cannot be 2 centres – only one !

        me- An thank you 🙂
        your comments have been so interesting
        thank you for sharing and that too with such passion 🙂

  43. May 21, 2009 7:23 pm

    I have been very critical of the dynastic “system’.But that seems to have been an accepted form.Why single out Rahul or Congress.Barring,CPI-M,this trend is prevelent in most of the parties.Also,now, my view is…if the country has elected Congress and they elected/chosen Rahul..where is the problem?If he or Congress do not perform,electorate hasthe choice after five years.
    Hamare desh mein khandani ka bahut mahatvahai…..not that others don’t have it,but Congress also has it

    me- thanks for sharing SIr 🙂
    the janta acc to me has voted for the Congress led by Manmohan SIngh (he was projected as the pm na? )and yes I might be wrong too 🙂
    and not for RAhul Gandhi except the people of Amethi
    yes I agree all the parties have this khandaan ki bimaari..

    five years is a long time ..and in that time the least we can do is to ensure that any political leader specially one who is part of the govt and might become the PM later is constantly under scrutiny..so that we do NOT face another emergency, another dictatorial PM, another Sanjay gandhi clone… (no VG is one moron but shouldnt we also keep an eye on the cousin?)
    just in case..
    it never hurts to be cautious..India has paid the price so many times..surely we should knwo better by now…

    agree with your views… only want to say that RG should be prove himself first(not that he is waiting for my permission) 😀

    • May 22, 2009 4:32 pm

      You know what I think? That the aam janta is tired of the changing government thats worse than the one before.. so it simply picked one party that has been around since long.. it doesnt care who rules after all its the same .. whoever wins or loses!

      They had huge hopes from BJP once.. but BJP has turned ineffective.. besides this terrorism has scared them.. what if we have a communal government.. what if the terrorism scales high? After all we all know how government is effective against “terrorism”..

      This time we are lucky to have caught one of the guy(kid) who killed so many.. and we are yet to convict him..

      We have proofs we have confession.. but is justice given? No! how then can we expect anything?

      We are being cautious and careless at the same time.. ** it makes no difference**

  44. May 21, 2009 7:52 pm

    You call this a long post???

    It is veeeeeeery long, I gave up after 15 lines…sorry!!!

    Vaise Bhi I don’t like him 😀

    me- gurl you are so going on THAt list 😛

    but you wont coz you too dont like him 😀

    • Smita permalink
      May 22, 2009 7:19 pm

      Which List?

      me- Refer to Reema’s comment above 😛

  45. May 21, 2009 8:01 pm

    A solemn and to the point post Indyeah! I wanted to take my time to give my views!!! 😀
    So finally, some comment that’s relevant to the post! 😀
    Ok, so I have ur post open in one window and ms Word in another…here goes Indyeah!
    (note: no matter how much everyone says, I am NOT taking your comment monster crown …but I am willing to be a close sub-ordinate…runner up? 😀 )

    me- awww that is just so cute Crafty 😀
    nah!” for you the crown anytime 😉

    True true….I HATE dynastic gain of power. Gain of benefits, perks – ok, fine, granted. But power, no! u gotta earn it, prove that u deserve it and got enuf responsibility to handle it once it’s at your disposal.
    me- 🙂
    you are sensible..always knew that 😛

    “Looks decent” so must be decent is like saying Amrish Puri must have fried ppl in pools of lava and had them for dinner. (hey, he did look scary and mean). That brand of attitude and thinking simply smells worse than cowdung (what’s with me n my obsession with cow metaphors don’t ask 😐 ) how can you brand any character attributes on basis of looks??
    me- ROFL!!
    Crafty trust you to take this to movies somehow 😀 and Amrish Puri! 😆
    but yeah looks do play a role..but are not the end all of anything 🙂
    it gets me fuming when ppl judge on the basis of looks !

    Don’t even get me started on chalta hai attitude!!! AARRGGGGG…..we’ve reached a stage where only when our own family is at the receiving end do we cry injustice or take any action….the pain must be direct, or its not pain at all….and the pain we face from not using democracy to our advantage is a long term pain….like being dropped in water and then increasing the temp…we sure boil till our skins peel, but just don’t know it.
    me- absolutely!! absolutely and exactly what is wrong with India and our ,mentality
    and we are all a part of it somehow..coz which one of us wouldnt want our son/daughter top reap the benefits of nepotism?its in our blood I tell you Crafty 😦

    Have u seen that promo Indi…Where Rajiv Gandhi’s pic becomes rahul’s pic??? i was like…oh please!!! Now he’s a brand who’s gonna ride on the equity of his dad, his lineage???? 😐 but sadly, that’s what is happening….

    me- no..I havent..which one is this?though the idea seems hilarious! 😀
    LOL@brand 😀 and still everyone says that its just anotehr family?anotehr name? 😀

    There are something that simply cannot be inherited…its gotta be earned. And respect and dependability is no diff, at least for me…
    me- absolutely! let him earn it(now that he IS here) and then I will gladly sing his praises 🙂

    Do u really think Singh sahib will have a say, or will try to have a voice? I think he forever looks under the obligation…like he’s there coz he was given a chance to, not coz he earned it… maybe a judgement, but it seems so to me…

    me- LOL yes you have described it perfectly! 😀
    he seems like such an honest man and always but always seems to squirm under all the pressure and intense scrutiny and the way he does not have a free hand (hope he has more of a say now)

    Me no see any halo either Indyeah….i can give gyaan all I like, but merit of action comes from action alone!
    me- yep! words are nothing but thin air..they vanish..action speaks louder than words as they say…

    We are a demodynasty… a cusp where the rulers get the chocolate-dipped half and we get the rotting half!
    me- 😆
    That is such a novel way of looking at it Crafty 😀
    does seem that way

    It gets my goat, sheep and not to mention, cows too…why it gets my whole farmyard!!!
    Much as I try Indyeah, I can’t be solemn for too long!!! Had to have that one!!! 😀 😀 😀

    me- LOL!me too! 😀
    Crafty you are a darling 🙂 an absolute darling 🙂
    (((hugs))))

  46. May 21, 2009 8:07 pm

    i still don’t know squat about politics *spell checks as usual*
    but am trying to…coz suddenly that’s all ppl r writing about, n me wants to talk too!!! 😀

    me- 😀 politics is in the air isnt it?
    but I am getting tired of politics now :
    )

    but Indyeah, u write such that every word seems genuine. and it’s easy to agree with u, (Apart from the KRS connect!)

    me loves Indyeah and her writing! HUGS!!!!!

    me-awww I love you and your comments 😀
    they make me smile 😀
    (((hugs))))back!

  47. Solilo permalink
    May 21, 2009 10:06 pm

    http://election.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/may/21/slide-show-1-in-the-name-of-the-father-and-grandfather.htm

    Twenty-one of the 30 MPs below the age of 35 belong to families who are in Indian politics or have been MPs or legislators in the past.

    me- says a lot a hell of a lot doesnt it? and we still refuse to accept that its a problem…
    if they prove themselves its not a problem as the sons of Farooq , Rajesh Pilot and Scindia seem to have done.

    .it is when they are incompetent and yet zealously guard their constituencies that it becomes a problem

    Thanks for the link Solilo

    • May 22, 2009 10:27 am

      Abhi, Children of Pilot and Scindia are like children of lesser known actors or the actors who already retired from Bollywood. They don’t have much support but they can still use their family/father’s name to get votes.

      Rahul Gandhi is equal to Abhishek Bachchan. Latter has a father who still commands max. respect in the industry and still active. You know the Bollywood comparison I did earlier..I am continuing here. 😀 That’s why even after 11 flops he is still doing good films and that too with good banners. The key is VISIBILITY. That is true for Rahul Gandhi too. He is getting right VISIBILITY through all channels. He is everywhere and now everyone is forced to credit him for Congress success. 😆
      me- yep!now I totally get the point SOlilo 🙂
      I mean the point that you made in your previous comment and now in this one about the visibility factor is so damn important!

      whether one loves him or hates him or plain doesnt care..there’s no way one can avoid seeing that dimpled face 😀

      • May 22, 2009 8:40 pm

        “he is getting visibility on channels” if the channels don’t put rahul gandhi for the said amount of time say an average of 5 minutes ( not sure what is the correct – don’t quote me ) per hour that will strike the eye (ref to studies about the eye movements and attention span of the individual to catch attention) the channels would be threatened to close down !!.. something similar to the hafta that restaurants/local business have to pay to up the local political goons but dramatically bigger —

      • May 22, 2009 8:43 pm

        Yes, Solilo – The key is visibility! The more you see him – the more the ‘image’ is re-inforced about how ‘much’ he is doing.. There might be thousands doing much, much more – but that never registers coz they are not on the screen 24*7!

  48. May 22, 2009 12:56 am

    long post all right, but thoroughly loved it!

    me- Thanks a lot HDWK 🙂

  49. May 22, 2009 1:55 am

    hmmm .. you have written something which i badly believe in .. but then you are going against the wave .. not a wise idea ..

    you should have given a Health Warning: as u runa risk of getting stampped by people of lesser evil propagation .. be careful .. how dare you question the next big hope .. he has done the hard yards .. stayed with you-know-them .. he is frank .. speaks honestly and praises good people even if they in his opposite camp ..

    me- Actually I do agree on all these points …I do think that he is honest and decent and generally innocent(uptil now that is) (as compared to some mahanubhavs)
    my objection was to the general assumption that he will automatically assume the post of PM ..that he is well qualified because he is so charming 🙂
    the fawning gets to me at times…
    the lesser evil people too have a point you know..one cannot completely discount that 🙂
    the BJP in its present avataar makes them look darn good

    Here is my two pence .. arr have lots of them .. need to go to the bank and get them cleared ..

    me- ha!ha!
    Arre yaar NERGA .. was done by the guy who comes from very different back ground .. is a real PhD and was prof .. but could come across as an illitrate .. and he was not even from cong ..

    He could have supported youth for equality movement launched by some of the young and best minds in our country (good chance to get them in politics ) .. and ofcourse to save our best instis going down the drain .. but will Cong ever attribute those decisions to be inspired by him?? ..
    me- I had no idea..do share who this person is…
    no knowing the Congress they will never do that…it takes away the glory from the Crown Prince 🙂

    we are now shouting youngs .. all of sudden all people with exp running for cover .. but most of the youngies are out to save their family silver ..
    me- young and old they are all the same 🙂
    its the old who have led us here to see this day where Dynasticism is rampant 🙂
    all of them young or old are here to increase their net worth 🙂
    and the young learn it from the old 😀

    i really feel like blaming it on my dad or his dad .. had he opted for politics rather than an honest job may be i could have been MP today 🙂 … in this wave for youngies ..
    me- 😀
    but then who would write about winners and losers? 🙂

  50. May 22, 2009 2:20 am

    Well, you did not mention Bal Thackeray – Udhhav Thackeray – Raj Thackeray.
    me- like I wrote clearly in the post this is not my list…I surfed the net and found it .I just copy pasted it 🙂
    plus Thackerays are mentioned quite clearly in the comment by Feringhee diaries 🙂

    will add it to the names given by others 🙂
    Thackerays make me barf! and yet I can give you a link where a blogger clearly doesn’t see anything wrong in supporting the marathi manoos issue..actually come to think of it I can give you three such links…this outsider issue is a sore topic with me …

    Dynasty is there everywhere, not just in India (see the Kennedys, now the Clintons), and not just in politics (as in business dynasties, as in films – including Rakesh/Hrithik Roshan).

    me- but just becasue it is everywhere is no argument in its favour na?
    It is unfair, no doubt. It gives the progeny a huge advantage. But beyond a point, everyman has got to make his own fate. Which is why Hrithik (your fave, mine is Aamir) is a big star, and not Kumar Gaurav, whose dad gave him a great debut long long ago.


    me- no no mine is Aamir too 😀 as far as acting goes and then for drooling over?I pick Hrithik :D.
    but seriously I agree…
    but arent politics and films totally diff things?
    I mean dynastisicm in films wont hurt us per se…at the most one might be subjected to torture like watching all the flops of Junior B’s 😀
    while politics is about an entire nation…

    Dynasticism in any place is bad,…but it becomes a more serious issue in politics

    Just as it is silly to bow and scrape before a Gandhi, isn’t it also rather unfair to axe someone just because he/she is a Gandhi? Or anyone else, for that matter?

    me- Absolutely Sucharita!
    my fault if I did not make my point clear in the post 🙂
    the point is not to HATE or AXE Rahul Gandhi or anyone else for that matter…the point is that since HE is from a dynasty he WILL have a tough job proving himself..like I wrote…I am not against him but I will give him a harder time than I would any other politician…
    that sounds heartless but there it is…

    also dont you think that the fawning over rahul is wayy too much?
    That sets me off..
    I totally get that Rahul is nice and charming and quite honest till now..but my grouse is about Rahul the future PM..is he upto it?
    so simple policy of wait and watch 🙂

  51. May 22, 2009 10:22 am

    Gloating irritates me. It looks so childish. Respect and tolerance are important from both ends else don’t complain.

    Does anyone find it funny that Barkha Dutt and Rajdeep Sardesai got Padmashris just before elections. They are unofficial Congress spokespeople.

    me-Solilo it sometimes seems as if tolerance and respect are to be expected only from others…all of us think that we are full of tolerance and respect whereas the reality is different…..respect has to be earned and not demanded..whereas this quote comes to mind as far as tolerance goes Our thoughts are unseen hands shaping the people we meet. Whatever we truly think them to be, that’s what they’ll become for us. ~Richard Cowper all of us need to learn this…just as violence begets violence so too is the case with intolerance…

    when we think another is intolerant…perhaps it is we who are being intolerant of his/her views all the while thinking that our view is the right one and the superior one?

    LOL@their padmashris..
    infact I think on Vinod Sir’s post sometime back we all were laughing about this 😀

  52. May 22, 2009 11:46 am

    Wonderfully written post Indyeah 🙂
    me- thanks a lot Kanagu 🙂

    This kind of dynasty ruling crept into our system during the Indira Gandhi era.. when she abandoned all kind of elections within the party and made the party head as the only power.. and if at all the then congress party members opposed it means we could have seen a better picture but she made Sanjay Gandhi as the next power in party… when she died.. Rajiv Gandhi was pulled from nowhere into politics and made into PM..
    me- yes..it has become a part of their very mentality now Kanagu 😦
    sad… and what is sadder is that educated liberal Indians see nothing wrong in this dynastic ‘ rule’

    To the worse, these congress party leaders made Sonia as the leader.. I have only one question is all the members from Nehru’s family are leader material.. is there is no other better leader there?? why they were still sticking with them.. why can’t they ask for elections within the party.. these guys calling sonia as Mother.. and I don’t know how many were respecting their mother.. *SIGH*

    me- that last line made me grin Kanagu!
    what irony!
    yep!apparently all of the nehru-gandhi members ARE leader material 😉
    do read Kislay’s comment 😀

  53. May 22, 2009 12:12 pm

    nice blog.. well written!
    me -thanks a lot 🙂
    and welcome here 🙂

  54. May 22, 2009 12:32 pm

    thoroughly enjoyed this post. the list is amazing…
    me-thanks Gauri 🙂
    I have to add the names that the readers have given too 🙂

  55. Poonam J permalink
    May 22, 2009 1:59 pm

    Long Post ? No my Dear ..U have done better…Interesting post indeed.I guess dynastic politics is a mockery of democracy. The country is being dominated by individuals, and the Politicians have no shame in wanting their siblings, children to step into the political arena…we accepted that dirty phenomenon and now are so amused at all the arm twisting over the cabinet berths…These political families constitute political parties within them selves….Rahul Baba has a long way to go, if mommy dear understands that…and if this Baba doesnot become The PM…his Baba will……Dynastic Politics is here to stay.Interesting post ….Thats why wanted you to get back from your exile….oops holiday

    me- Thank you Poonam 🙂
    the scramble for cabinet berths is hilarious to say the least..one feels horror and pity in equal measure…and immense sadness too 😦

    that was a good one if not him then his baba will
    lol@exile 😀

    (((hugs)))))

  56. May 22, 2009 5:07 pm

    hi dear girl,
    just wanted to send you a big hug from Spain

    hope everything’s fine your end!
    xoxo
    Lala

    me- (((hugs)))right back Lala 🙂

  57. Pal permalink
    May 22, 2009 7:26 pm

    Indy,

    That was one incisive post. And what a flurry of brilliant comments too!!!

    All I have to say is, we Indians tend to forget our roots. Don’t we boast of a Mahabharatha ? Its the same now. We have the Pandavas (Rahul,Priyanka) and the Kauravas (ahem..poor Varun has been painted in that light, hasn’t he?) and the war goes on.

    What I would however love to see , is Rahul change his name to ‘Rahul Firoz Gandhi’ instead of piggy-backing on the Gandhi name. Then I would call him a ‘real aadmi’ and not an ‘aam aadmi’ !!

    I do feel a deep deep sense of sympathy for Mr.Singh!! He may be King, the prized throne… well, that is being prepared elsewhere for our dear Crown Prince!

    @ Monika’s- That was totally valid.. in all fairness to RG, what is wrong with the family carrying on the profession?
    Look at the Raj Kapoor clan. And our very own First Family of Bacchans!

    @ Solilo – OOooooohhh…why did you have to mention Jonny boy?? Me going ga-ga-ga-ga already!!

    @ Kislay – ROFL on your brilliant remark. And I admire Priyanka Gandhi too. She seems more mature and capable than Rahul Baba.

    Cheers..
    Pal

    P.S: I love your title!!! What was your old title though? I missed it!

    P.P.S: Wish you would remove Sachin Pilot from the list.. he’s so cute!!

    me- Thanks Pal 🙂
    it truly has been such an interesting discussion only and ONLY because of the comments 🙂
    The old title was simply I love Rahul Gandhi …minus the ‘‘because NEoptism rules!” Solilo suggested the latter part 🙂

    so I added that 🙂

    • Solilo permalink
      May 22, 2009 9:43 pm

      Pallu, Aren’t you glad that John is not a Gandhi? 😀

  58. May 22, 2009 8:07 pm

    hmm…well I don’t really find it wrong considering the fact that in no country of this world there is a choice… democracy is the biggest hypocrisy and it will be so…

    sycophants well they are every where…

  59. May 22, 2009 9:22 pm

    Vishesh, democracy is not a hypocrisy.. as voters we have the right to choice. but when citizens do not step up — dynasties will rule – America is far from ideal when it comes to other matters, but when it comes to their citizens, the governing party does a fairly good job ( of course the priorities are different for both) but nobody forgets the end goal —

    • May 22, 2009 10:05 pm

      we have the right to choose? alright now how about you get to choose a punishment when you haven’t done anything wrong(or atleast you think so) ..say either get dipped in one of our rivers or try get shot when you take/pay the first bribe , which will you choose ?

      The free dictionary gives the following definitions…

      1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
      2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
      3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
      4. Majority rule.
      5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

      The first seems true . But then people are given bribes to vote in certain places and in others not even given a chance . What about all those people who registered and didn’t find their names on the voters list?

      Are we a society where there is any sort of equality? Unless it is redefined as discriminating others so as to cause a level of mediocrity in all fields right from education to ruling the country .

      And majority is not always right . Simply because as a mob the rhetoric influence is great . And also because in our country people are not willing to think . Now you can this is where people are not doing what they ought to do , but the reason why they don’t think is because the education system discourages it(in case of the educated) or the society doesn’t give space .

      Actually democracy seems to represent the height of idealism , yet in reality it has been robbed . Simply because people are not being seen as the end but as the means to an end(personal wealth , power etc) and so in the process get neglected .

      For all we claim the government represents the people and I feel since we choose a punishment which we feel is better , we cause ourselves to believe we are guilty when we are not . There are two alternatives alright(and the trinity is completed with the person being the third) , we can simply stay with our values and try to show reason and the other is to choose a punishment . I would prefer it if people choose reason , but then again everyone feels people don’t understand reason .

      And dynasty rule isn’t all that bad , as long as nothing appalling happens to the society , for we still have the choice of revolution . Democracy thus is more like painting the ground green to make us not realize that the ground actually is bare . If only we scratch a little we might see the truth .

      • May 22, 2009 10:29 pm

        Vishesh — my answer will start in CAPS so that there is no confusion. please note that this is a discussion and not an argument. so in that spirit here i go..

        we have the right to choose? alright now how about you get to choose a punishment when you haven’t done anything wrong(or at least you think so) ..say either get dipped in one of our rivers or try get shot when you take/pay the first bribe , which will you choose ?
        THAT’S BECAUSE JUSTICE IN INDIA IS NOT FAIR. A JUDGE CAN BE BOUGHT. A POLICE OFFICER CAN WRITE A WRONG FIR etc etc.

        The free dictionary gives the following definitions…

        1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
        2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
        3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
        4. Majority rule.
        5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

        The first seems true . But then people are given bribes to vote in certain places and in others not even given a chance . What about all those people who registered and didn’t find their names on the voters list?

        THAT’S BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO DO THE WORK ARE NOT EFFICIENT – not finding their names on the voters list.
        BRIBES — you said it. TAKING BRIBES IS NOT PUNISHED AND THAT IS WHY it continues.
        I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNING STRUCTURE — SOMETHING else has to work for India — i cannot come up within a second ..there has to be something else.
        EACH GENERATION HAS TO COME UP with their kind of governance. Nehru photocopied the system of the British and thought that governance will follow blindly ..but that doesn’t happen. any local rising star ( that puts a fight against the local POLITICAL GOONDA IS PUT TO REST – THREATENED, KILLED ETC ETC..

        Are we a society where there is any sort of equality? Unless it is redefined as discriminating others so as to cause a level of mediocrity in all fields right from education to ruling the country .

        HAVE YOU READ ANIMAL FARM…YOU AND I ARE NOT STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE OF POLITICAL LEADERSHIP HENCE THIS STATE OF AFFAIRS..
        And majority is not always right . Simply because as a mob the rhetoric influence is great . And also because in our country people are not willing to think . Now you can this is where people are not doing what they ought to do , but the reason why they don’t think is because the education system discourages it(in case of the educated) or the society doesn’t give space .

        I AGREE –
        Actually democracy seems to represent the height of idealism , yet in reality it has been robbed . Simply because people are not being seen as the end but as the means to an end(personal wealth , power etc) and so in the process get neglected .

        I AGREE -THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT DEMOCRACY -IT IS SOMETHING ELSE –MAY BE WE CAN CALL IT -KINGS RISE IN THE DISGUISE OF DEMOCRACY.

        For all we claim the government represents the people and I feel since we choose a punishment which we feel is better , we cause ourselves to believe we are guilty when we are not . There are two alternatives alright(and the trinity is completed with the person being the third) , we can simply stay with our values and try to show reason and the other is to choose a punishment . I would prefer it if people choose reason , but then again everyone feels people don’t understand reason .

        And dynasty rule isn’t all that bad , as long as nothing appalling happens to the society , for we still have the choice of revolution . Democracy thus is more like painting the ground green to make us not realize that the ground actually is bare . If only we scratch a little we might see the truth .

        -IF YOU THINK DYNASTIC RULE ISN’T ALL THAT BAD – DON’T COMPLAIN WHAT IT IS DOING TO THE COUNTRY -STEP OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND INDIA IS KNOWN AS A COUNTRY RULED BY AN ITALIAN WOMAN.

        • May 23, 2009 10:13 pm

          hmmm..you and me are not rising to do something , I am ready to do it , are you ? And what is your plan ? ( sorry to sound so rude 😛 )
          me- Vichu all of us are trying to do something or the other in our own way…the point is if one were simply a good citizen..one who is aware and intelligent,does his/her duties properly .and also asks questions without fear or prejudice ..then thats enough…

          we are ofcourse fully entitled to hold our politicians accountable…
          why should we not?
          they are there to serve us and not the other way round…hai na?:)

          And well an Italian is ruling us ,maybe we aren’t fit to rule it ourselves? At least she has enough respect for and doesn’t sit on the big chair but has reserved it for her son . ..
          me- Vichu stop joking 😛
          I know you are joking but An doesnt 😛
          she thinks you are very serious about Sonia aunty and are probably Sonia Gandhi;’s devoted fan

          And no I haven’t read the animal farm 🙂 will try to get it ..
          me- do get it its a great read! 🙂

          • May 23, 2009 11:28 pm

            vishesh .. —

            ” you and me not doing anything ” – Yes — to start with read the book breaking free of nehru by sanjeev sabhlok – 50% of the book is online .. many people ahead of us also have a plan.

            “reserved for her son ”

            “aren’t fit to rule it ourselves”… respect! ?

            I don’t even want to start discussing… I see no point.

            me- An, what Vichu was trying to say was part question/part jest 🙂
            I think you took him literally 🙂
            he abhors this kind of politics as much as the rest of us:)
            he’s a kid barely 18 and he has the brain of a philosopher 🙂
            This is his blog..do read it
            http://visheshunni.wordpress.com/
            I guarantee you wont be disappointed 🙂
            here are some of his posts and they remind me of your thoughts 🙂

            http://visheshunni.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/random/
            http://visheshunni.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/ego-and-divinity/
            http://visheshunni.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/a-comment/
            http://visheshunni.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/barriers-and-justice/
            these above are some of my fav posts of his(the ones I can remember recently)
            do read them, you will be hooked 🙂
            and his thoughts will make you forget that he is only a kid barely out of school 🙂

            (((((hugs)))Dear An 🙂
            you are a darl and I know you are VERY passionate about this topic and that’s why your comments are so eagerly awaited…
            between you Smitha and Solilo you guys have had a most interesting discussion..
            and you are single handedly responsible for some great comments on this post!!

            🙂
            ((hugs)))

          • May 24, 2009 7:10 am

            Wow! i didn’t know that vishesh is just out of school — didn’t know so many other things. thanks for the gyan on his ideas of politics and links as well– will keep it mind next time i write.

            hi vishesh !

            thanks indyeah

            me- you are most welcome An 🙂

            ((((((((hugs))))))))

          • May 24, 2009 3:01 pm

            😀 see Anrosh there is anyway no point , we two have been agreeing to what each other has to say(at least the majority of it 😛 ) … and the reason for the sarcasm is that I am bugged of hearing the same thing over everywhere 😛

            And indyeah : 😀 😀 😀

          • May 24, 2009 6:24 pm

            “there is anyway no point” – that is a learned helpless syndrome ! don’t you think ?– all problems have solutions, otherwise it wouldn’t have been a problem.

          • May 24, 2009 7:18 pm

            the no point was meant for us discussing 🙂 and well I believe solutions are created before problems so we are on the same boat 🙂

  60. May 22, 2009 9:47 pm

    Abhilasha, I never knew I would run into a gripping riot here, a never ending one! I am sure that Rahul will never make it till here, unless he scrolls! Can he do better? Tell me!

    You wrote: “Rahul Gandhi says
    “The youth want to join politics but don’t know the way. Once they enter politics, they don’t find it clean. They are confused about politics and it looks as if there is a wall between them and politics. We have to break this wall”.”….I mean doesn’t doesn’t he realise that he is that wall?!

    Terrific post, enriched by great comments laced with fine humour. Of course nobody can count the number of smileys here!

    You have surpassed yourself Abhilasha!

    me- Thank you so much Sir 🙂
    This truly has been possible because of the enthusiastic participation by some great great bloggers 🙂

    • Solilo permalink
      May 22, 2009 10:15 pm

      There are people to scroll down for him but he will get the credit for scrolling in the end. 😀

      me-
      Solilo brilliant quip!! 😉

  61. Solilo permalink
    May 22, 2009 10:19 pm

    BTW is Ravneet Singh Bittu in the list?

    Late CM Beant Singh’s grandson Ravneet Singh Bittu, hand picked by Congress scion Rahul Gandhi, won from Anandpur Sahib.

    He is also Punjab Youth Congress President.

    me-no its not…will add it
    Solilo I have to add all the names given here by you and Saritha and everyone else:)
    will do it ASAP 🙂

  62. May 22, 2009 11:17 pm

    I hate nepotism to the core too. And that’s why am a fan of SRK .
    Still, I wud prefer Rahul baba over Mayawati; pity that we have so few choices.

    Extremely well researched post, as is mostly the case :).
    me- thanks BP 🙂
    the question is why are we even assuming that rahul BAba IS in the pic?I mean MAnmohan SIngh is the or atleast should be the centre of attention right now right?being the PM and all?
    so interesting isnt it that its somehow automatically assumed that Rahul is in the running right now?

    ANYONE 😀 would be better than Mayawati *shudder*

  63. May 22, 2009 11:53 pm

    ROFl-ing at the comments, I forgot the main theme of the post 😛 😛 😛

    me-pssst dont tell anyone OG..but I have forgotten too 😀

  64. May 23, 2009 12:06 am

    Indyeah:

    Great post and the comment section an even better read :)After all that has been said …lot of which I agree with, I dont know what to say. I have to be honest that I have difficulty celebrating Congress’s win for the very reasons you have brought up. I cannot stand the smug look on Sonia Gandhi’s face and the servile one on Dr. Singh’s. (I see it like that)
    me- thanks Chrysalis 🙂
    yep the comments made the topic come alive..some of the comments are just so darn brillinat! Dr SIngh does look very much under pressure…though I think he will be able to do his job more freely this time around (atleast one hopes so)

    I dont know how Rahul Gandhi figures in all this besides the fact that he is the Baba of the Congress Family. Congress and Gandhi being synonymous. The Baba was just a Babua( read a grown up who behaves like a spoilt child) sometime back watching the Wimbeldon, with his South American girlfriend. I have yet to see him do anything worthy of a mention in the arena of public service.
    me- Exactly!How ID he come into the pic?But now that he has he will have to face really tough times ..and then when he has proven a thing or two THEN my vote will be for him 🙂
    If BJP is non secular, Congress is no better. They have given a piggy back to goonda and secessionist elements in states like Jammu and Kashmir and Bihar. We speak of a lack of a better choice amongst politicians but who is to blame for the available sorry choices, I wonder. Our politicians have great resumes…criminal records, oodles of money, the correct family name, a film or a popular TV serial under the belt….
    The blue eyed boy… the likes of him and the people who put him there make me mad enough to curl my hair. But we put him there right? Who are we fooling when we say Dr. Singh runs the country becoz he is the PM? Hats off to Sonia auntyji though. She is a mastermind of the highest caliber and I would love to know the secret to the this family’s hold over the party and the nation at large.
    me- sad but true..we have to select the best out of the worst 😦

  65. Pal permalink
    May 23, 2009 2:21 am

    175 comments…man…you will beat Big B hollow at this rate!! Way to go, Indy-girl!!
    me- All of it coz of friends Pal …. who have shared here … thanks to you as well 🙂
    a discussion in the spirit of some constructive criticism 🙂

  66. May 23, 2009 9:48 am

    Wow!

    Just looking at the comments section 🙂 It’s got enough meat, along with the post for a Doctoral Thesis :D!

    Great going, Abhi 🙂 Proud of you!!!
    me- Thanks Ushus 🙂 ((hugs)))
    All those who have shared their views here have made this such an interesting( and a supremely hilarious ) 😀 discussion .

    The comments (like Smitha’s, An’s And Solilo’s have increased my understanding too 🙂

    PS:-totally agree on the doctoral thesis 😀

  67. May 23, 2009 11:32 am

    A huge thank you to all my friends who have shared their thoughts here 🙂
    What is a post without comments?
    And such comments?Brilliant, incisive and hilarious (so hilarious) at times 😀
    Thank you dear friends for making the topic come alive and taking this post far , far beyond my imagination.

    The post was a simple one.
    It is the comments that have increased my understanding.
    Ranting and discussing and debating and plain hollering 😛 as also the bouts of maniacal laughter in between which gave me tummy aches 😀
    All of it has been one great experience 🙂
    So THANK you 🙂

    On that note I urge you to read THIS POST by a great blogger Kislay (whose incisive, sarcastic and brilliant comments you have lol-ed over ) 😀

  68. May 23, 2009 1:50 pm

    Thank you!! thank you!! to whoever submitted my post as a probable entry for Blogadda!! 😀 (I assume that’s how the entries are selected)
    and they picked it!

    Yipppeeee!!!! 😀

    and err ..ummm did ya notice that they too have mentioned THAT word?
    You know the word that makes everyone eligible for THE LIST? 😀

    pssstt for those who dont know 😛 the word is LONG 😆

    *sigh*
    now I cant put the Blogadda fella on THE LIST can I?

    So umm will just let it be 😛

    made my day…. this did 😀

    and once again I have to say (((((((((hugs))))))))) to all of you whom I have known for so long (seems like a lifetime) and to a few new friends who de-lurked for this post
    thank you for making this post worth it!
    It just wouldn’t have been the same without you guys!! 😀

    PS:-do excuse my hyperness(is there such a word?)
    I am just gaping 😀
    coz I am on blogadda!!
    yippee !
    😀

    PS:- just came to know from the admin at Blogadda that though people CAN submit their fav blogs/posts , the Rahul G post was selected by the Editorial team 🙂

    • May 23, 2009 2:43 pm

      Congratulations and Celebrations… !!!! now toh you owe me chocolates !!!!

      “di is a star !!! toooooo !!!!

      he he he 😉

      me-awww.. thank you thank you 😀
      will give you some(read that as very few) chocolates out of the ones you bring 😛

      • May 23, 2009 3:43 pm

        Hahahahahahahaha! That’s if he hasn’t eatten them up before gettin to you. 😉

        me- 😆

        nahin nahin! Dhirenbhai is a clone of George Clooney 😉
        PS:- I believe you Badz 😀

        • May 23, 2009 5:57 pm

          btw who is this darling friend ???? tell tell ??

          me- Who do you think it is? 😉

          • May 25, 2009 12:08 pm

            no clue ?? who ?? my awesome half ??

            me- yep! your awesome half! err…. not OG 😆
            but Solilo 😀
            She made my week 🙂

    • May 23, 2009 11:48 pm

      Oye Hoy ! Aapne to dho dhala ! Mubarakan ! And party , party , party ! Btw , how do you treat someone on the blogosphere ? 🙂
      me- :lol:@dho daala
      !Thank you so much Kislay! 🙂
      yeah party- sharty 😀

      How do we treat someone here?
      I dunno 😀
      you tell me 😛

  69. May 23, 2009 5:06 pm

    Conrats Abhilasha. Keep it up. I am sure there will be many more!
    And, while you and Dhiren fight, Ill have the chocolates, thank you!

    me- Thank you Sir 🙂
    lol@you will have the chocs

    😛

  70. May 23, 2009 10:41 pm

    Congrats!! 😀 😀

    me- Thank you Winnie 🙂

    (((hugs))))

  71. May 24, 2009 12:12 am

    First time here. Apologies for the intrusion, but couldn’t resist commenting on this one.

    Ab hero ka beta bhi to hero hi banta hai na 🙂
    Prithviraj kapoor
    raj kapoor, shammi kapoor, shashi kapoor
    rishi, randhir, rajeev, kunal, sanjana, one more son of shashi kapoor (forgot the name, wo jo bombay dying ke ad mein aata tha neeli aankh waala )
    Kareena, Karishma, Ranbeer
    Aur pata nahin kaun kaun…

    On a serious note, it is indeed the shoddy game of dynasty (or perhaps ‘legacy’ would be more appropriate word) that has been going on for eons. The sad part about this legacy is : It here to continue for few more generations, unless we see some revolutionary changes in coming years. The probability of such thing happening is quite remote, considering the fact that people of India have already foreseen Rahul Gandhi as the future PM. I have never been a fan of Gandhi family (or any other political family for that matter) and it is indeed a pity to see that a country boasting of millions of intellects, struggles to find a strong, visionary and capable leader. It is a mockery of democracy and all of us are to be blamed.

    Great post, keep them coming!!

    PS: Merey ghar pe color TV nahin tha, isliye mujhe pata nahin ki shashi kapoor ke betey ki aankhein neeli thi ya bhoori 😉

    me- Welcome here 🙂
    delighted to read this long comment and the khandaan list 😀

    yes sad isnt it? 😦
    I mean a country of a billion people and we still look upto rajkumars so to speak?
    That too in anticipation of when he will be crowned raja in about Five years(if not before)

    The filmy comparisons are great though 😀
    LOL@the PS 😀

  72. May 24, 2009 8:03 am

    In our great country, politician’s families are perceived to be doing the good social upliftment work or so it is projected. Though they apparently “give back” what they had been depriving others for several generations, these populist measures are viewed by gullible rural folks as heroic or even godly acts.
    They worship the Neta and his family.
    There are millions of these and a few of us who oppose dynastic rule and ask questions like why should the son get a ticket? what has he done? etc.
    Nevertheless, that does not mean we shouldn’t be asking the questions! You have raised relevant issues. But compared to the criminals, the corrupt, the blatantly unsecular and anti-national, baba logs seem to be a better lot!

    me- Though they apparently “give back” what they had been depriving others for several generations, That line says so much Sir…

    yep!Asking the questions is quite important even if one knows that it wont make an iota of difference….
    Compared to the unsavoury elements in society yes, the babalogs do seem better 🙂
    but then who doesnt? 🙂
    *sigh*
    tough tough choice Sir..the least we can do is ask them tough questions as you said…
    aftre that its anybody’s guess 🙂

    PS:-Congratulations Sir!!
    Your article in yesterday’s TOI! 😀
    It felt awesome to know that I had read it and loved it and then saw it in print ! 😀

    • May 25, 2009 4:10 pm

      Thanks, Indyeah! It was one of those rare submissions that got printed within a weeks’ time. Apparently the new word appealed to them, thankfully.

      me- You are most welcome Sir 🙂
      The title was great 🙂

  73. May 24, 2009 3:15 pm

    A REALLY long post, and an equally long and passionate comments section. Firstly, congratulations Indyeah on the Blogadda.com happening – it had too – your passion, contribution and dedication to blogging cannot go unnoticed for long – like everything else in life.

    Me- Welcome here Sir
    Thank you so, so much
    Yes the comment section is indeed a most thought provoking one 🙂

    A really interesting and politically relevant post. Having read the post and the comments, I would like to share my views on the subject too, and here I am going to come up with a discordant view. Warning: Long and passionate comment!!!
    Me- Long and passionate comments are looked forward to most eagerly Sir 😀
    And your discordant note is most welcome because the discordant notes have been conspicuously absent from this post (not by my authority I assure you)

    I do not approve of dynasty, but neither do I discard it just because one is from a dynasty. Rahul has got into politics and is getting the benefit of being a G. How does that matter? He still has to go to the aam aadmi to ask for votes, and looking at the events, he has done that admirably well, so why are we grudging him the adulation? Rahul may become the PM for the first time because of his dynasty, but will retain it only if the voter, and his performance decide in his favour.
    Me- The Aam aadmi has given him the seat for Amethi Sir. Not the seat for Prime Ministership.
    I know that he is not planning to be the PM>(for now atleast)
    But one never knows with the Gandhi Khandaan does one?
    Plus all those fawning/bowing/scraping Congress leaders and Workers don’t exactly act as a good and constructive check on the power of the Gandhi Parivaar.
    It matters because it is a matter of principle if nothing else.It matters Sir, because if this is allowed to go unnoticed and uncriticised then our generation as well as the coming generations in India will lose the RIGHT to lament anything, anything at all..because the statement ,’’you are responsible for it.You said chalta hai’ will be thrown in our faces when An emergency is declared 30 years down the line.(sounds far fetched doesn’t it? I bet even our parents and grandparents thought that an emergency by Indira Gandhi was far fetched when they thought it was ‘okay’ to let her dynastic background pass uncriticised. because she seemed such a STRONG and capable politician )

    The criticism is not for Rahul Gandhi the person, nor for the Politician Rahul Gandhi who won from Amethi.
    No.Not At all.
    The criticism is for Rahul Gandhi PM in waiting/crown prince/messiah of the poor (lines from the post)

    A question:-Why can the Congress NOT make Rahul baba the PM?
    Or Has no RIGHT to?(atleast in my opinion)

    It is because Dr Manmohan Singh was projected as the candidate for Prime Ministership.
    And I would like to believe that it is Dr Singh who has made the Congress win possible.As also a variety of other reason but none of which include RAhul Baba’s Contribution except perhaps(only perhaps) in Uttar Pradesh.

    Now if in the next general elections Rahul Gandhi IS projected as PM candidate and then wins(because of xyz reasons or maybe the Janta wants dynasty,who knows ?)

    THEN I have ABSOLUTELY NO problems in having him as the Prime Minister of my country.

    Many of us are peeved about him getting it because of his dynasty. Like someone alluded to earlier, what are we doing to widen the choice of the electorate? It’s the same with Nehru. People credit him with a lot of ills of our country, with hindsight of course, BUT how many of us are willing to make the sacrifices that he made? Same with Gandhiji, Subhash Chandra Bose, or many of our worthy leaders who sacrificed their best years so that we can discuss, debate and criticize, while enjoying the fruits (our vibrant democracy) of their sacrifices.
    Me- That’s a good question Sir. (and on that note also a question Sir, What sacrifices did Nehru Ji make?) Not That I dont respect and like Nehru Ji but just a query.

    I would like to believe that both the least and the most we can do as an Indian citizen is to ensure that we fulfill our duties before claiming our rights.

    What are our duties?
    To question authority.
    To be honest in our life. Or as much as possible for sure.

    To vote for those whom we feel are right for the job.

    To never ever let them take their kursi for granted.
    Just because I want to and should hold politicians accountable does NOT mean that I have to join politics.
    It simply means that I do my job passionately at the same time ensuring that I question them on their jobs.

    I don’t have to become an engineer to question why a particular bridge in New Delhi collapsed.
    I can lament and hold the PWD engineers accountable. That is my job as a citizen.
    My job is not to leave everything and start studying to become an engineer.
    I can do both well.Do my job passionately, that is, teaching… and at the same time keep a check on the politicians of India. Only though words. But then words have a power all their own.
    Words transform into ideas. Ideas can lead to revolutions.
    The revolution does not have to be bloody. Even a gradual , quiet revolution works wonders.

    Rahul has spent a night in a dalit’s house, for whatever reason – let us give him the benefit of doubt. I have not even done that in my 56 years and I thus do not feel it is right for me to find fault with what he has done. Politics is about people – the more lives one comes in contact with, the better he would understand India. The fact is that he wanted to connect with the most disadvantaged in our society. Have I tried? Are we up to it?
    Me- I did not mention the fact that he spent the night in a dalit’s home 🙂
    But since you have mentioned it Sir. This is one point that I strongly disagree on.
    This particular individual belongs to a party that deepens the caste /religious divide every single day…
    How?
    Through reservations/quotas. (and by sitting haath par hath rakh karas they say in Hindi )
    (and nothing but NOTHING gets me more furious than reservations)

    Yes, the next question by default would be that the BJP creates far more hatred in the minds of the people these days.
    And I agree.
    However, the point here is not to compare one villain with another but simply to ask questions of the villain that has been around the longest and has very subtly but cunningly ensured that the gulf between communities is never healed.
    So do pardon me my cynicism Sir, when I merely smile wryly when I see the news channels going ga ga over the fact that the Scion has spent a night in a dalit’s home
    .

    Constructive criticism is good BUT just looking to find fault is not OK. Politics, like all else in life is very demanding and extracts a price and makes one accountable to the lowest common denominator once every five years, unlike all other professions, where one is assessed top down. None of us mind working for bosses above us, but only a politician works for multiple bosses, and these bosses, his electorate, are generally way below his level in every which way. Think about it. I hate multiple bosses and like to report to a single boss. What is the problem of working for multiple bosses? Too many demands, each boss having different priorities and needs, some of them counter productive, etc. I won’t survive too many bosses, as I like clarity of direction. Can I become a politician?

    Me-Who is to decide what is and what is not constructive criticism Sir?
    For a lifelong learner everything and anything is constructive criticism.
    The thing that baffles me Sir is why is such a huge chunk of our population defending RAhul Gandhi so passionately?
    I mean its not as if us the critics are going to be heard anyway, so why all the consternation?
    I am sure that if RAhul is as good as so many say he is, then I and others like me will have to eat our words. ( and I suspect that we might very well have to) so Amen to that thought!that RG indeed proves us wrong! 🙂

    And If that is the case Sir and in a democracy
    everyone is indeed accountable (or at least is supposed to be accountable in our democracy at least)
    then why was it that we had an individual who without contesting a single election was still made the PM of India?
    Was it simply our good fortune that the person happened to be Dr Singh and not some incompetent buffoon(and we have had quite a few of those as well)

    These are my thoughts – I like to view the positive side of every thing, most of the time – I do have my negative moments too.

    I am sure Sir that you are an optimist as is visible in your words in your latest post at your blog .
    As also your comment at IHM’s Dynasty post.
    But I can assure you most empathetically that I too am one. An optimist that is.
    If anything I think we can give each other pretty close competition in the Optimism Department. 😀

    Proof?

    Here I am gushing about India
    https://indyeahforever.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/why-do-i-love-india/

    At that point of time I was told by a friend that I have my head in the clouds..and that am not a realist…

    This time I might come across as pessimistic But I assure you again that is not the case
    This post
    https://indyeahforever.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/a-new-day/

    earlier has been written by me because I was and am happy about having a stable government.

    However , I cannot and WILL NOT accept the scion of a dynasty simply because he should have the same deal as others and should not be given a tough time.

    In my view (wrong or right) it is precisely because he IS the scion of a dynasty that he WILL be given a pretty tough time by me and others like me.

    The strongest leaders are forged out of steel if nothing else…and they brave numerous hardships in life.
    In that context, Dr MAnmohan Singh has my respect. Far far greater than anyone else can ever hope to get. And I REALLY hope that he gets a free hand this time around. Much more than before that is.

    When Rahul Gandhi does come upto our expectations a few years down the line, believe me I will be applauding and smiling on the sidelines as much as the rest of India.
    For, I will be proud of an additional thing you see.

    Somewhere in my heart I will believe that I too had a hand in giving India this leader
    That I gave him a hard time and he came out of it all the more stronger for it.

    An Obama he might or might not be.
    But He will be the next best thing(if he indeed has it in him)
    Because WE WILL MAKE SURE OF IT.

    • May 24, 2009 9:44 pm

      Thanks Indyeah – enjoyed reading your reply. My comment was to put forward another point of view; a view that looks at the other side too, because the other side is being completely ignored. There are many sides to every issue. I will come back again for a more detailed reply.

      “But I can assure you most empathetically that I too am one. An optimist that is.
      If anything I think we can give each other pretty close competition in the Optimism Department. :D” Here I must clarify that I never said or implied that you are not an optimist – I know you well enough by now, through your posts; posts that I truly enjoy reading.
      me- Thank you Sir for a most interesting discussion
      Its this exchange of ideas that I enjoy more than anything else 🙂
      and yes you are very very right about looking at the other side of any issue..
      I was unable to do that due to the very less number of comments from the ‘other’ side.. and that is precisely why I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion with you and Rakesh 🙂

      Thank you also Sir for your words ….
      never thought that you implied it Sir 🙂
      I know that you are a friend and that you do like some of the posts (modest ol me 😀 )

    • August 22, 2009 4:18 am

      Thank God,finally reservation and the deepening discrimination(all for vote bank,most certainly) has been mentioned.Why did he spend the night at a Dalit’s place?Because he wanted the vote.Would he do that otherwise?And it is still the political party who thinks they are dalits and gives them reservation.First you make them realise that they are indeed the untouchables and what a pious soul you are to visit them and then hand over the silver spoon(read reservation) to them.Do we discriminate except perhaps,we we realize that they are paying 1% of our fee and getting into best colleges for 1% of our marks!!(I know I deviated but just had to say it here).

  74. R.D.B. permalink
    May 24, 2009 8:54 pm

    Nice post and I can’t agree less.. chk out this link which gives an insight into rahul’s handpicked young guns.
    http://www.indiatimes.com/photostory/4555121.cms

    And have u seen “coffee house” bolly movie? I dunno itz box off success but would like to recommend all a dekko thru ur blog

    me- Thank you RDB and welcome here 🙂
    and thank you for the link..I read about it in a fortnightly mag a few days back..
    He has my respect for it . How effective will it be? Lets see.
    Its one step at a time so I will wait and watch.
    As to you couldn’t agree less? 🙂
    do feel free to share your thoughts because its always interesting to hear what the other viewpoint is…in this case you apparently like and support RG 🙂
    which is absolutely fine 🙂 may your hopes come true 🙂

    I had absolutely NO clue about this movie
    though I have to say that all the reviews that I have seen online are panning the movie nevertheless the concept seems good , so will def watch it..
    Thanks for sharing.

  75. May 24, 2009 10:57 pm

    Like I said earlier, the idea was to give another perspective.

    “Me- The Aam aadmi has given him the seat for Amethi Sir. Not the seat for Prime Ministership.”

    The aam aadmi can only make him a MP, and cannot give him the PM’s job – that is the prerogative of the parliamentary party, in theory, and by the party leadership, as practiced. We may criticise this fact about the functioning of the party.
    me- yes SIr, I agree.. the functioning of the Congress has to be questioned..which in turn is because its a dynastic party.. (it seems to be a democratic party only in name)

    The President of India appoints the leader of the party or alliance that enjoys majority support in the Lok Sabha (Lower House of Indian Parliament) as Prime Minister. In case no single party or alliance has a majority, the leader of the largest single party or alliance is appointed Prime Minister, but he/she has to subsequently secure a vote of confidence in the Lok Sabha. The Union Council of Ministers is appointed by the President on the advice of the Prime Minister.
    The Prime Minister can be a member of either the Rajya Sabha (Upper House of Parliament) or the Lok Sabha. As Prime Minister, he is the Leader of the House to which he belongs. The Prime Minister is also the Chairman of the Planning Commission of India.
    me- Absolutely !
    like I said the person who has been projected as PM candidate is the person I would love to see as PM 🙂
    and that has happened of course 🙂 its any other scenario that I ahve an abhorrence to

    “The criticism is not for Rahul Gandhi the person, nor for the Politician Rahul Gandhi who won from Amethi.
    No.Not At all.
    The criticism is for Rahul Gandhi PM in waiting/crown prince/messiah of the poor (lines from the post)”

    What has Rahul got to do with being projected by his party? He has been resisting the offer all along, including the offer by the PM for a cabinet berth. Once again the functioning of the Congress party needs to be questioned.
    me- Rahul can be seen as a victim Sir OR as yet another name in the long dynastic line …it depends on how one sees it..
    also it is RAhul’s family that has made the Congress what it is..and that is why any criticism of the Congress is a criticism of the Gandhi Parivaar
    So when the party projects him as so and so.. it is sycophancy and nepotism at play once more

    “Me- That’s a good question Sir. (and on that note also a question Sir, What sacrifices did Nehru Ji make?) Not That I dont respect and like Nehru Ji but just a query.”

    Excerpt from Wikipedia. Jawaharlal Nehru passed the Bar final examination in 1912 and was called to the bar later that year at the Inner Temple. He returned to India soon after to set up a legal practice.. However, the political world soon grasped his full attention. After the British massacre of protesters in Amritsar in 1919, an outraged Nehru devoted his energies to the political realm. Although initially sceptical of his son’s political views, Motilal Nehru likewise joined the Congress party in the pursuit of Indian independence.[5] Jawaharlal Nehru rapidly became Gandhi’s trusted lieutenant. Nehru’s protests, though strictly non-violent, landed him in jail for a total of nine years over the course of his life. During his time in prison, Nehru wrote “Glimpses of World History” (1934), his “Autobiography” (1936), and “The Discovery of India” (1946). These works earned him distinction as a writer in addition to his growing reputation in the independence movement. Under Gandhi’s direction, Nehru led the Indian National Congress for the first time in 1929, at the Lahore session. He was again elected to the Congress presidency in 1936, 1937, and 1946, at which point he reached a political prestige in the independence movement second to none but Gandhi.[6]
    me- With all due respect Sir, nowhere did I see any ‘ sacrifice’ as such. It was a period of turmoil , a period when most of India’s leaders were in jail. Some of them went through unspeakable torture some of them even died in the jails, a select few came into the limelight….. Nehru Ji made the same contribution as so many others.
    We dont say that so and so PM or President of so and so country has given sacrifices do we? (eg all the first presidents of democracies)
    I would have to agree with An’s comment below Sir…because while studying history one was exposed to a variety of sources all of which challenged and still challenge the version of History that we study in India today.

    “I don’t have to become an engineer to question why a particular bridge in New Delhi collapsed.
    I can lament and hold the PWD engineers accountable. That is my job as a citizen.
    My job is not to leave everything and start studying to become an engineer.
    I can do both well.Do my job passionately, that is, teaching… and at the same time keep a check on the politicians of India. Only though words. But then words have a power all their own.
    Words transform into ideas. Ideas can lead to revolutions.
    The revolution does not have to be bloody. Even a gradual , quiet revolution works wonders.”

    Agree with you on this account. However, politicians and politics in India is not ALL bad, and thus we ALSO need to give credit to the politicians for the good that has happened in the last sixty one years, not use them as punching bags only for every ill of our society, as they are but just a reflection of us.
    me- I agree Sir. Though to be very honest I do find it very difficult to find any honest politicians or any proof of their honest work. The credit is given where its due. And the biggest example would have to be Dr Manmohan Singh himself. I do not know of any other name which has done all that he has. His policies have taken Indian into the 21st Century because for all we know we might still have been stuck with the license raj.

    me- will be back in a bit 🙂

    • May 25, 2009 9:48 am

      the problem is our history is fixated on a few people ( let me count it on my fingers ) and left out a multitude ! The press of india was highly regulated and all that is written about Mr.nehru this or that ..i will accept it with only bags of salt.

      the people’s history of india need to be written

  76. R.D.B. permalink
    May 24, 2009 11:02 pm

    i wanted to pinpt the nepotism angle here…
    most of these “young guns” hail frm a political fmly..
    itz too mch of a coincidence at too mny places 2 b ignored…

    me- oh!then its my fault entirely 🙂 I misunderstood .
    The nepotism angle *sigh*
    thank you for pointing it out…
    I COMPLETELY missed that in my hurry..
    yes it is suspicious and yet I am sure nepotism will be justified saying that Rahul’s core team is atleast a young, dynamic one…

    its a pity that there are NO young leaders even in MMS’s cabinet..same old tired faces…(a few ARE experienced) but I am sure a few could have been changed..

    RDB thank you for that link…simply because the few lines accompanying the pics say it all…
    and once again Thank you for pointing it out 🙂

  77. May 25, 2009 4:17 pm

    As an after thought you could have titled this post “A thousand son-rises”

  78. May 25, 2009 4:17 pm

    As an after thought you could have titled this post “A thousand splendid son-rises”

    me- Good one Sir 🙂
    I wish I had given that title 🙂

  79. Manu permalink
    May 25, 2009 5:05 pm

    Nice post.
    How did you miss Veronique”Gandhi” ???
    😉

    me- thanks 🙂
    I dont see how Veronique Gandhi can be included under a post dealing with dynastic rule /nepotism
    Veronique is part of Rahul’s private life…one has to keep that out of bounds

  80. May 25, 2009 11:51 pm

    Hurray! more than 200 comments? I missed a lot of hungama here.

    Congratulations on being picked up by Blogadda. This post deserved to be there. Rarely we see the other side and finally there are posts which analyzes that too. Let me check the discussion I missed in last 3 days.

    Par-TAY……..

    me- (((hugs)))was waiting for you to come back 🙂
    thank you thank you 😀
    muah 🙂
    party it is! 😀

  81. Indophile permalink
    May 26, 2009 12:02 am

    Its not about congress its more about BJP and all their tall claims.

    me- welcome here 🙂
    I am VERY confused about your comment Indophile. because you have tried to show that one party is bad therefore the other party’s dynastic rule is okay…

    me- This post is about DYnastic rule and nepotism NOT about the Congress.
    But then sad isnt it that the Congress IS all about Dynasty and nepotism?
    SO we cannot escape a discussion on the Congress no matter how hard we try.

    Most of achievments attributed to them Gujrat,Kandhmal,Rath Yatra even they don’t care to deny and probably boast around.
    me- You are calling Gujarat, Kandhmal, rath yatra ACHIEVEMENTS?? 😯

    I dont know if the BJP boasts around or not…I usually notice them trying to hide it like murderers and criminals..and if they dont hide it and boast about it instead then they are morons and B****** of the first order and not fit to be called human beings.
    the interesting thing here is that you have written that these things are BJP’s achievements…..hmmmm..food for thought …WHY would you write and use this particular word?
    coz as far as I know these are the black marks on the BJP as a party right?.

    Most of the positive factors associated with them like good governance and fast development are just hogwash. I am from Indore which I think is one of the safest seats for BJP in the country since 1989 but it is so much behind the explosive growth of the other cities in India. Any type of problem from Road to water to sanitation which are associated with good governance are in dismal state.

    me- yep! I have been to Indore and on this point I agree with you completely!
    the governments have been doing almost zilch for the city,…
    but why has the BJP been winning since 1989? 😯
    its a genuine question…because that means that the majority of Indore’s population is communal acc to your statement below….which brings to mind arguments about Gujarat (except that Gujarat has developed as people say in its defence)

    I mean why are people not voting for ‘development’ when apparently the whole nation is doing so?

    On top of that there are communal tension for the flimsiest of reasons which are mostly not related to Indore like Amarnath Land issue all courtesy VHP ,BD and BJP “karyakarta” . I am a Hindu and I simply can’t understand what’s the benefit of the core issues raised by BJP (307,UCC,) are to me or any other Hindus in my city or for that matter in the country apart from scoring a point over minorties. And I can see and sense the danger which they pose to minorities .So if the people go back to dynsaty or Congress who can blame them.

    me- whoa!!!stop right there friend!!
    let me do a line by line analysis okay?
    On top of that there are communal tension for the flimsiest of reasons which are mostly not related to Indore like Amarnath Land issue all courtesy VHP ,BD and BJP “karyakarta”

    Okay I agree…these reasons are not related to Indore…nor to Indore’s developmental issues…so communal tension does flare up at the mention of such issues because it is easier to incite people in the name of religion than to actually do something about bijli, sadak,paani..
    okay I agree here

    I am a Hindu and I simply can’t understand what’s the benefit of the core issues raised by BJP (307,UCC,) are to me or any other Hindus in my city or for that matter in the country apart from scoring a point over minorties.

    in one line you have said so much …
    I think of myself as an Indian while you are talking about getting benefit as a HINDU as also you are questioning the fact that other HINDUS like you will not get any benefit from the BJP’s policy..(why?Does Indore have only Hindus ? )
    Which in turn means that you DO look at the BJP as a primarily Hindu Party…

    SO you are
    1)looking for benefits as a HINDU
    2)looking to see how what the BJP should and could do something for HINDUS (even if acc to you it is not doing that currently)
    3)You view the BJP as a primarily Hindu party and expect it to provide you benefits that should benefit you as a HINDU
    4)The above mentioned points do not gel well with your point and lament for development…

    For, it is only when religious lines are blurred that one is able to rise above trivial issues..
    Only when religious lines are blurred will you stop seeing any riots/communal tension …
    ONly when religious lines are blurred will the BJP stop harping on such issues…
    ONLY when you stop looking for benefits s a HIndu will you get development in the real sense.

    You want no communal tension and instead more focus on developmental issues and yet you talk of Indore’s HINDUS…

    You have asked , Whats the benefit of raising core issues like 307 and UCC???????

    Here are the benefits (which you will know by simply looking at the negatives)…and the debates over the issue..do read them, you will be enlightened…
    (Nimmy is a great blogger)
    http://nimis540.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/the-drama-of-divorce-over-phoneemail-and-sms/
    http://nimis540.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/uniform-civil-code-choosing-between-devil-and-deep-blue-sea/

    I dont care which party is talking about these issues..I would like to see these issues being discussed..
    WHY?
    Because some women in India are discriminated against..in the name of religion…
    A Uniform Civil Code ensures that they will be treated at par with all others..(as also a dozen other benefits associated with UCC)

    Sure the BJP is being very diabolical in its plans..but I also find it strange that no other party is talking about the UCC.

    Section 307 ..I assume you are talking about it in Varun GAndhi’s context?
    Varun GAndhi is at fault no doubt… hatefilled and disgusting speeches…

    I don’t care what section he is booked under as long as he doesn’t get to open his mouth…
    But yes, I am against the misuse of the NSA for flimsy reasons..

    As for section 307??
    Though the charges under Section307 IPC do look ridiculous but I was happy anyway that he was muzzled and put behind bars..
    It is the Section 3(2) of the National Security Act that seemed totally outrageous…
    The NSA cannot be used in this autocratic manner…

    Overall, I am no expert..but yes I HAVE to say that the BJP was trying to make another issue out of something that has nothing to do with your city or India…(as faras section 307 is concerned) While any protests against slapping of the NSA on Varun Gandhi were moré than justified..

    –If anyone has more knowledge regarding the legal details please do feel free to correct me.—

    And I can see and sense the danger which they pose to minorities

    you can see and sense the danger..good for you..

    have you sensed anything deadly in the Congress’s reservations policy ? no?
    figures!

    .So if the people go back to dynasty or Congress who can blame them.

    Not a good enough reason to support the Congress friend..not at all..
    Did you notice how you used the words Congress and dynasty as almost synonymous terms?
    Saying chalta hai and if not dynasty then what else? Is so not the way to go..
    The point simply is this..
    The BJP has lost because it came across as a very fundamentalist party this time round…VG’s hate speeches and his backing by Advani didn’t help matters…
    So yeah sure…the BJP is out for now..

    But surely now that the new government is here I have full right to question it…

    Whichever villain..sorry government is in power, our job is simply to keep raising questions…

    PS:- DO you realize that you completely digressed from the main topic ? The topic of the post? Dynastic rule and nepotism? And instead gave reasons as to why the BJP was such and such and therefore dynastic rule is OKAY? DOes that sound a tad bit absurd to you?
    In future kindly do not digress from the topic of the post..

  82. Aman permalink
    May 26, 2009 2:02 pm

    Hey!

    A couple of points.

    Decrying nepotism, dynasties etc. is good. Speak out against it by all means; but consider this…

    We are a Democracy. In a Democracy, people have a right to choose whoever they want. If the people want to elect scions of dynasties so be it. If the electorate wants to elect people who will turn sycophants & touch the feet of scions, then let them. If we are so proud of being a democracy, we must respect the decision of the electorate.

    The victory is never one man’s alone. I believe that Dr. Singh’s Govt. performed well & got re-elected. I also believe that Rahul’s grassroots & youth campaigning got them rich dividends. I also like the fact that Rahul is reticent & in no hurry at all to be part of the Govt., and says that he leaves it all up to his boss, the PM. Some may call all of this posturing. They’re welcome to live cynical lives.

    Me- let me agree to an extent and reserve judgment/opinion on the rest.
    Let detailed analysis on the results come out and we can sit and rack our brains trying to see what the Congress did right..

    But as you said yourself..no ONE person can be credited for the win..so let me say that RAHUL being credited solely for the win is exactly what I have an aversion to.

    When you say electorate you conveniently refer to those who voted for the Congress and forget the rest who did not.
    India is a democracy is it not?
    So why this heartburn over the criticism of the crown prince?
    It amuses me no end 😀
    BTW a clarification in case it escaped you…no one is dissing the decision of the electorate..refer to the post before this please 🙂

    I am sure you love the fact that Rahul baba is so reticent and all…..it merely amuses me however and I watch cynically from the sidelines..
    AS appealing as the dewy eyed innocence and idealism is, I think I would prefer a very cynical life.. ..
    And you know what?
    I will also shamelessly join the bandwagon when Rahul DOES prove himself 😉

    Your other comment will not be published because taking potshots at other bloggers specially friends whom I know will not be tolerated.
    So do excuse me.
    I am sure Rahul baba delights your heart a lot .. 🙂 in the meantime do live upto your supposedly liberal outlook(aren’t all Congress supporters born with it? 😉

    And do try to use a little less of the guilty by association as also the high chair on which you sit and pass judgements 🙂
    It is irritating in the extreme I assure you and not at all a pleasant sight.

    Moreover, this democracy that you speak of so fondly gives the others ample room to rant too …

    SO do spare a thought for mere mortals when you crown Rahul Baba and frown at us mere mortals for daring to suggest otherwise ..
    It seems as we are in a minority..you know the ones who think dynastic politics is a vile thing..but do give us our space too to rant and rave our heart out..
    This staunch defense of Rahul Ji makes me think that perhaps I have touched a raw nerve 😉

    • Aman permalink
      May 26, 2009 8:16 pm

      Indyeah…

      🙂

      No you didn’t touch any raw nerves as far as Rahul Gandhi is concerned.

      Just as you get worked up with the constant adulation that the “dynasty” receives, I am only against this constant railing against dynasty. Like I said, we’re a democracy. And even members of dynasty have a right to be here. Just because they’re from a dynasty doesn’t disqualify them.

      I don’t think anyone is saying that Rahul alone is responsible for the performance of the Cong. led UPA. I don’t know what channels you watch & who you talk to, but whatever I’ve been watching has analysts crediting a lot of factors for the win. Rahul is but one factor. Like his mother was last election & like his father was before that. We all like clean heroes. Which is why an Amitabh Bachchan manages landslide victories, as does an Obama. Which is why Dr. Manmohan Singh inspires so much faith & admiration. You wanna be liked, build a clean image. Don’t let your inadequacies, lead you to jealous criticism of dynasty! 🙂

      The performance of Dr. Singh’s government is one factor, the disillusionment with the bjp another, picking good candidates a third, picking the right allies a fourth. Rahul another. All of these have been discussed. Yes Rahul’s efforts have been lauded by the likes of his contemporaries like Jyo Scindia & Omar Abdullah. And by his seniors like Dr. Singh. The fact that only one factor seems to prick you suggests that some nerve of yours got touched off. 🙂

      Also, your suddenly aggressive stance, hurling pro-Congress, pro-liberal epithets at me is surprising.
      As are your “high-chair” & “crown prince” accusations.
      Don’t attribute to me what I didn’t say.

      And I didn’t know you were friends with him. If I did, I wouldn’t have bothered. Really. I know you through other bloggers that I respect a lot. And it’s not that you don’t like my blogging. It’s just that you’re a little confused at this moment. 🙂

      me- you mention inadequacies, very slyly mind you and then expect me to give you a beautiful reply J
      so be it J
      here goes
      the reaction was in response to all the pro-congress/pro rahul arguments I have been reading and hearing of late 🙂
      I probably watch the same channels that you do …only my interpretation s far far different 😉

      Rahul is but one factor..thank YOU for saying that 🙂
      if I was to go by the wide eyed adulation then apparently Rahul Baba is to be credited for all the work

      my inadequacies?
      hmm room for a lot of interpretation there and I am apprehensive that if I were to interpret this my way you will once again say I am getting ‘aggressive’
      I agree with the above para completely btw 🙂

      me- sorry if my reply came across as too aggressive..yes, I am fully aware that I do come across as too strong at times 😀 (but that is precisely why the smileys accompanied the sentences 🙂 to soften any aggressive effect 😀 )
      kindly excuse 🙂
      yes right you are!the dynasty thing IS a sore topic with me ..its just about on the same level (as far as irritation/anger goes)as reservations is for me..
      maybe its too extreme on my part..but for now this is how I am
      maybe I will change as the situation changes
      I am open to it
      the aggressive stand was also partly because when I read your other comment along with this one I got the impression that you were(even if you didnt intend to)were slotting me in a certain category….a category that I was placed in by default (if I were to go be your second comment)
      I dont do reactionary posts only write about my own viewpoints 🙂
      that is what helps me to cope with such varied viewpoints
      actually having had this experience before I probably overreacted. (the person who earlier made this accusation is on my spam list)
      but hurling epithets eh? amazing view you have dear friend thats all I can say 🙂
      feel free to interpret things the way you want to 🙂

      As far as other bloggers go yes I am friends with them because even if they hold different views that has no bearing on my friendship with them.. 🙂

      and I get VERY aggressive when anyone but anyone criticizes my friends 😀

      I am friendly with most of them 🙂 irrespective of their political leanings

      also whom I am friendly with is being used to judge me? and you are liberal right???
      (isnt that being rather narrow minded?)

      I have some very extreme friends on both sides of the fence 🙂
      and sometimes I dont like all of them and sometimes I just ignore wide eyed adulation as also extremist views 🙂

      also a bloglink will help matters a lot … do oblige 🙂

      I like your blogging? ??
      I do..??
      I have some doubts there 🙂
      a post maybe but not blogging per se
      (I do think I have a clue though)

      the reason I defend this particular friend STRONGLY is because he/she has been HARASSED in the past by certain reactionary bloggers who apparently had no original thoughts of their own, doted over RAhul baba and wrote entire posts in reaction to this friend of mine..

      now THAT gets my goat like nothing else..
      I HATE such reactionary people whose entire blogs are based simply on what another person is thinking and then giving the opposite view..

      feel free to slot me in this category or that… I have no problems ..

      My blog is for my views 🙂 And I make friends acc to my wish 🙂 nt acc to the wishes of others 🙂

      on a diff note it amazes me that a post on NEPOTISM(not the Congess but then the two are synonymous are they not? 😆 ) is getting the goat of all the Congresswallahs 😉
      that amuses me and is good for laughs 😀

      do be more clear in future please

      on the topic of confused
      you seem to know me better than myself eh? 😉
      quite a statement that!
      do let me know when I do get more clearheaded coz you seem to know me better

      PS:-is there something like JEALOUS CRITICISM OF DYNASTY??
      ROFL!! Which world do you live in pal?
      lemme catch my breath after all that laughing 😀

      • Aman permalink
        May 27, 2009 3:56 pm

        Hopefully you’ve caught your breath by now. I’m happy to be causing you much mirth.

        Me- Ah!Aman!! Aman!so many precious minutes being wasted in writing this reply…really DO start a blog 🙂

        Thank you for agreeing to be the jester
        Atleast I will have one good timepass now 😉

        It wasn’t meant to be funny, but like you yourself admitted, your “interpretation is far far different”. 😉

        Me- I see things differently (by my own admission) which places me on the opposite side by default? 😉
        Once again you seem to see things only in black and white so pardon me if my interpretation makes you smile

        I’m contesting exactly that! The wide eyed adulation is not limited to Rahul Baba. Your reading is “different” yes.

        No need to apologize for having an aggressive blogging style. I should be the last one to point any fingers. 🙂
        But yes, it is a habit that does need getting rid of.
        Me- lol!
        I don’t have an aggressive blogging style …my blogfriends will give you ample proof..but when certain individuals(like you for example 😉 ) turn up, then my approach is more like the sledgehammer approach
        I usually go for the soft approach, you know the diplomatic one..but then the sledgehammer ‘me’ takes over pretty quick when I lose patience
        Lines from about me page 😀
        So its only with you and certain others that I have an ‘aggressive’ blogging style
        also I never said that wide eyed adulation is limited to Rahul Baba!
        *sigh*]
        Aman really do be more careful while reading posts of others 🙂

        yes right you are!the dynasty thing IS a sore topic with me ..its just about on the same level (as far as irritation/anger goes)as reservations is for me..
        maybe its too extreme on my part..but for now this is how I am
        maybe I will change as the situation changes
        I am open to it

        I understand. 🙂 We all have our faults & therefore pet peeves.
        The thing is to inculcate just a little bit of Gandhiji in us (to start with). I personally have no problems with either reservations or dynasty. My pet peeves are lies, divisiveness & violence.

        Me- . I personally have no problems with either reservations or dynasty. My pet peeves are lies, divisiveness & violence.
        😆

        errr.. Do try to see the contradiction in that statement if you can that is 😉
        That’s about all I have to say
        I love my aggressive way of blogging when it comes to certain individuals btw so no I don’t see it as a fault 😀
        It’s a QUALITY I have 😉
        Rather than going on other people’s blogs and getting into a debate I use my own blog to write about my own views 🙂

        Noble of you to remain friends with people despite knowing that they have not flaws but deliberate malintent. I wish I could be more like you in that respect. I was raised like most of us on the “A man is known by the company he keeps” adage.
        Noble of you to defend your friends too.
        I’m just unsure whether it is the right thing to defend your friend when you know they’re in the wrong.

        Me- I have far far more respect for a friend who atleast has the honesty to speak and write about what he/she believes in whether right or wrong …than for a person who apparently has no other purpose in life than to judge/rant/rave and try to convert people

        Also the ‘malintent’ as you call it is anything but.
        For, this friend writes about what he believes in whether right or wrong.His reaction is to people(read that as public personalities) and events .
        He doesn’t launch personal attacks on people like us. Common people. HE doesn’t try to get into shouting matches either.

        I fume and rant when I read some of his views as also when I read some of the other respected blogger’s (another friend of mine) but that has no effect on my friendship with them..
        at best I can disagree with them respectfully you see
        I do not live under the illusion that I am here to redeem this world.
        AN illusion that some of us need to grow out of. 😉
        I defend my friends and I don’t see anything noble in it. It just simply is what is expected from me of a friendship.
        A man is known by the company he keeps
        The adage tells me more about you than anything else and I am firmly convinced that I wont like your blogging. Kindly excuse me . 🙂

        And I’m not judging you at all. Like I stated I like you. Whether I’m liberal or conservative or somewhere in between is an unrelated matter altogether.

        Me- DO pardon me when I say I dont think I will like your blogging
        Anyone who judges anyone does not figure in my list
        Oh!and for more on what exactly it is that I think about your fav adage,
        Do read this (though I have a feeling that you might have already)
        https://indyeahforever.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/being-judgemental/
        also when you talk of my friend so disparagingly do let me remind you of these two quotes
        (since you seem to live by quotes)
        I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
        -Voltaire
        Qu’est-ce que la tolérance? c’est l’apanage de l’humanité. Nous sommes tous pétris de faiblesses et d’erreurs; pardonnons-nous réciproquement nos sottises, c’est la première loi de la nature.
        What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other’s folly — that is the first law of nature. -Voltaire
        “Tolerance” (1764)
        The post was written in response to a friend who had the same questions as you. HE read it and was more accommodating
        Oh!and the person Soliloquy and I are discussing is one vindictive fella!
        do keep in mind that when we judge another it says more about us as a person than the one whom we judge.

        Not sure about a blog link here, but you have my email ID. Pick it up & drop me a line. I’ll send a link to you. Does that work for you?
        Me- No, it doesn’t work for me.Because I email only people I trust
        And someone who speaks from behind the anonymity of a name and an email cannot be on that list

        Whether you like my blogging or whether your guess is right, you’ll find out shortly. 🙂

        Me- like I said we will talk about that when the time comes

        If you hate reactionary bloggers who present their take on other people’s views, your biggest problem should be with your friend who you’re defending. He presents his twisted take on other events & people.
        This post of yours too is a little like that. A reaction to other people’s “wide-eyed adulation”.
        Me- Maybe I should have made myself more clear

        I HATE people who indulge in personal attacks
        I HATE people who write in reaction to what they read on another person’s blog

        I doubt if you can see it because the respected bloggers whom you know perhaps forgot to tell you that their posts were a reaction to this post of mine 😀
        they didnt tell you did they? 😀 or maybe you didnt notice?

        There was a few hours difference between the posts.
        Who is reacting?That is for you to decide
        Of course if you can get rid of the friendship glasses that is
        also the bloggers whom you like always write in reaction. The difference however is that unlike the vindictive fellow who harassed my friend, the respected bloggers write their own viewpoints and dont attack personally
        and like you said my friend writes about events and people. He writes about public personalities and events. Whether his take is twisted or not , who are you and I to judge? .

        And you’ll probably not like me either.

        Me-Oh!I am dead sure I wont.Your fav adage convinced me of that

        Let’s face it, most of us are experts in giving opinions on other people & events.
        I’d like to mention one of my favourite lines here:

        Small minds discuss people.
        Average minds discuss events.
        Great minds discuss ideas.

        Me- 😆
        Beautiful as it is to see that you seem to live your life by other people’s words
        I merely use their words to buttress my point nothing more:D
        Have you studied causality in History?
        No?
        Let me share then
        People are part of events, events are borne out of ideas and events give birth to new ideas as well(umm do excuse if I have made my explanation too simplistic)
        So you see since modesty is so not my forte
        I believe I have a little bit of the small, the average and the great …all inherent in me 😀

        oh!and just in case you didnt notice we were discussing the nefarious idea called nepotism …which Rahul G is taking advantage of..
        quotes can be twisted to suit us cant they?:D

        And so stop attributing either liberal or congress tags to me. By your statement, those two seem to go hand in hand. I never brought up the Cong. It was you who thought I was defending them, when all I was saying is that someone’s surname shouldn’t disqualify them or automatically entitle them to brickbats.

        Me- No matter how hard you try to deny it
        you are a dyed in the wool Congress supporter
        You brought up the BJP
        And now you are trying (only trying to mind you not that you will be successful here anytime in the future)to defend Rahul Baba most staunchly

        ‘and you still say you are not a Congress bhakt?
        Okay we will just pretend you are not. Okay?
        Honest! 😉

        PS: I dunno about various Cong. supporters but you will never find the top Congress leaders themselves respond to any dynasty references. They’re too dignified to respond. But in the interest of fairness & truth it is notable to examine that the party that makes the most amount of noise about the dynasty (& loses to the dynasty scions regularly!), is themselves full of the nepotism you speak of

        Me-Ah!!gotchya!friend!
        BJP’s nepotism in one breath and Congress and its dignified leaders in the other
        ROFL!! (still not a congress supporter?) 😀
        DO excuse me while I catch my breath
        Congress and dignified??

        😀
        err do you mean to say grovelling, fawning, scraping perhaps?And there fore they never open their mouths? Actually umm I don’t know of anyone who does open his/her mouth in the Congress..Save the queen bee perhaps ;;) And since by default almost a post on nepotism leads you to
        1) staunch defence of your ‘fav party the Congress!
        2) A listing of points about how the BJP is full of nepotism

        And you still say you are not a Congress bhakt?
        😆

        . For example:

        Any party that has Vasundhra Raje Scindia, her son Dushyant Singh, Manvendra Singh (Jaswant Singh’s son), Yeddyurappa’s son B Y Raghvendra, Prem Kumar Dhumal’s son Anurag Thakur, Karuna Shukla, Vajpayee’s niece, Ranjan Bhattacharya, his foster son-in-law and Pankaj Singh, son of Rajnath Singh should really not be pointing fingers! It such utter hypocrisy.
        Add to that the fact that only those from an rss background get important posts in the bjp. That isn’t nepotism?
        Add to that the fact that no minority community members (muslims, sikhs, christians) ever hold any top party posts. What’s that about?
        And you say you have a problem with “reservation”???

        Now I’m laughing!!! 😀

        Me- I do have a problem with reservationsJ

        A HUGE ONE!YOU ARE COMPARING NEPOTISM WITH THE INSIDIOUS {POLICY OF RESERVATIONS BY THE CONGRESS FOR OH!I don’t know how many number of years exactly?

        And you conveniently forgot that the post was simply about nepotism and Rahul BabaJ
        But then tsk tsk cant help it can you?
        Too much of those rose tinted glasses tends to do thatJ
        Btw did you notice or wonder as to why you didn’t simply give the names of the BJP members like so many other friends did?
        You know the way I have credited my friends with the names that they have given?(do check the list again in the post):D
        Now you ofcourse being a die hard Congress bhakt(no no don’t deny it…don’t try top deny it…we know);) had to go and make a whole presentation out of it
        Because in your book anyone who talks about Congress err nepotism has to be given an upadesh on the BJP …yada yada and how the BJP is so harmful to the nation and how the Congress reservation policy is harmless as compared to the BJP’s and I quote’nepotism’ 😀
        Come on!you could have simply given a list of the names and be done with it

        psssttt…..Aman do the Congresswallahs give you guys some ghutti .?You know at birth and all?To ensure lifelong bhakti? 😀

        Did you also notice the news link connected to Rajnath Singh ?
        NO?
        Aww the rosé tinted Congress glasses again?Really!you need to get rid of them now 😉

        And since you like Amit Varma so much (as I do), you will probably have read this: http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/article/what-jagdish-tytler-and-sajjan-kumar-tell-us-about-the-congress-party/


        Me- ah!Amit the final brahmastra so to speak…
        Anyway here is what I think of this view of his
        https://indyeahforever.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/127/
        (scroll down to read the comments) Where a friend had given the same link)
        And psstt..Aman,,don’t tell anyone but Amit is of the same age as me 😉
        So anything he says is not taken as the holy grail by me, merely as a way to buttress my point since he writes well 😀

  83. Indophile permalink
    May 26, 2009 3:02 pm

    🙂 I was not digressing just trying to articulate some arguments for my support of Congress over BJP. Obviously I have forward them in a very confusing manner which highlighted my arguments in a wrong manner . I will try to clear my position and please don’t take this as a Jai Ho Congress comment just few things which I think is allowed in an informal medium like Blog . Hopefully you will agree.
    Me- glad to see you back … feel more than welcome to write what you want
    Even if I dont agree ,rest assured a good discussion is guaranteed 🙂

    1.Firstly why BJP in a post which was about Dynasty politics well I thought usually I vote for Congress (Though I have voted for BJP as well in the past) so justifying that my vote for Congress is in spite of their dynasty not because of it and that’s because of BJP and their brand of politics.
    Me- that’s absolutely fine..that’s your decision entirely…I am sure none of us are born Congress or BJP supporters..we all vote acc to our judgement and the situation…
    That’s what democracy is all about..or else it would simply become a fiefdom with eall political parties trying to protect their interests.(actually it does seem that way even now at times..only the voter is too smart to get taken in now)
    Even if the majority of India HAS voted for the Congress despite dynasty(as you have written) that still gives me full freedom to criticise the dynastic politics right?
    Let’s put it this way..the fact that people have voted for the Congress DESPITE dynastic politics does not make dynastic politics all right does it?
    So the criticism will continue…as it very well should…

    2.’Achievements’ bad choice of word of course I was trying to be sarcastic but I lost the plot I guess. These incidents are of course a blot on our history with 1984 ,Bhopal tragedy and Emergency.
    Me- thanks for clarifying…
    Wrong words can lead to a lot of miscommunication..

    3. I am not saying anything (communal,secular) about voters from anywhere they are fully entitled to their views and personal belief but I was talking about the most potent argument put forward in support of BJP every where in cyber world and their track record on that front from my personal experience.
    Me- BJP has NO track record to speak of as such..it barely was in power at the centre for long…so anything that the BJP says about its achievements at the centre …is taken with a lot of salt by me

    4. Regarding being a Hindu comment this was one point which I think has gone in a completely opposite direction. I am as Indian as you are in my belief and religion hardly figures anywhere prominently . Yes I view BJP as a Hindu party because they say so and my point was that whatever are their arguments they are not useful for even Hindus .
    me- I agree. Completely.When they harp on stupid issues it is pathetic to watch!

    5. I confused 370 with 307 my bad !! I accept these are very very important issues but don’t you think it should be raised by somebody who has paid some attention to particular communities and their problems . Of course the Congress won’t do it because of their politics. I think gradually these thing will change hopefully but there is not point in pushing these down someone’s throat.
    Me- Article 370 is a very controversial one…J&K is a very sensitive issue and has to be handled carefully.So I agree when you say that it should be raised by somebody who has paid some attention to particular communities and their problems(though I don’t think it will happen anytime soon)
    UCC is needed I think..what people conveniently forget(and the BJP never reminds them )is that UCC if implemented will not only lead to a lot of protests by muslims but even Hindus will protest(BJP very cleverly never raises this point)a lot of negative things associated with both religions will dspr if UCCC is implemented
    I agree that nothing should be rammed down anyone’s throat, but on that topic a question..do you think there will EVER be a consensus on UCC in India?
    .

    6.Reservation !!! no arguments totally a moronic and backward step by the Congress
    .me- glad to see that you agree 🙂

    Surely we should always keep the government on their toes with question, RTI actions so why I have posted all these thing just for the simple fact all the dynasty talk are inevitably redirected to Congress.So to let you know that the people who voted for Congress are aware of all these evils but considering the alternative we “perceived” it as a better option. Dynasty politics I think is not a very very great danger when in combination with Democracy as the people have the right to throw them out. I rest my case sorry for the long rant but just clarifying my earlier post.

    Me- Thanks for coming back to continue the discussion Indophile 🙂
    When you say people voted for the Congress because it was perceived to be a better option I will agree ..but also please keep in mind the fact that you can at best speak for yourself and for perhaps a few people whom you know personally or otherwise…
    Why have so many voted for the Congress ?That is a question that all the psephologists are trying to find answers to …
    you wrote Dynasty politics I think is not a very very great danger when in combination with Democracy as the people have the right to throw them out.
    I really hope that you are right in the long run Indophile.I really do.
    Because the same democracy has been w itness to some very autocratic scenes in the past.

    also There is irony in that statement somewhere 😉
    Here’s to India and all that democracy brings! 🙂
    Till then we will continue ranting and questioning and criticizing and plain hollering
    For, what better way to make sure that we indeed are living in a democracy?

  84. Indophile permalink
    May 27, 2009 1:53 am

    Uniform Civil Code – I am really sure its not going to be implemented in near future due to very strong identity politics in our country. I think the best way forward for any government to is to improve the existing laws under the same framework instead of going for something like an Einstein Unified theory which under the present circumstances is practically not possible.

    me- yes your words do seem more practical..but the optimist still holds out for UCC 🙂
    lets see what happens finally ..atleast in our lifetime 🙂

  85. Indophile permalink
    May 27, 2009 2:09 am

    Just one last point on one of your reply
    “on a diff note it amazes me that a post on NEPOTISM(not the Congess but then the two are synonymous are they not? ) is getting the goat of all the Congresswallahs
    that amuses me and is good for laughs ”

    Getting hysterical on net is a general phenomenon and it can happen on any topic just go through Rediff message board on any topic . 🙂 or for that matter of consistency of bringing BJP to all my comments.

    http://friendsofbjp.org/2009/05/18/election-2009-analysis/

    me- The link you have given is by Mr Dasgupta who couldnt possibly be more of a BJP supporter if he tried..the comments too reflect this…

    the thing is forums whether pro or anti BJP or PRO or Anti Congress..they are all the same..
    a slanging match nothing else…
    there are ofcourse some exceptions but overall this holds true,…

    I mean does one expect anything else from Mr Dasgupta?
    HE is writing about the BJP so its inevitable that he will get comments pertaining to the same…

    do check CHurmuri too and others of the same ilk…congress or bjp..its all the same..an open for everyone kind of slanging match 🙂
    I have all the links pertaining to the Congress , BJP and the left on my earlier blog and they leave me laughing at times 😀
    PS:-are your comments there too?I couldnt see your name..Indophile that is

    • Indophile permalink
      May 28, 2009 11:02 pm

      Well I am a very recent visitor to your blog usually I just brutally waste my time on blogs dedicated to Cricket . Election seem like a good time to start following politics related blogs .

      Well it was not do with BJP or Mr Gupta (usually he makes some sense)
      (And Nobody I mean nobody ever go to Congress site so I can’t paste anything from friendsofcongress) but the fact that people involves in all type of slandering on net when they are sure of their anonymity . This is almost true of any medium youtube, rediff (not very bright pics) any thing people view the most absurd ideas which really makes you wonder if they really believe in them.

      me – but the fact that people involves in all type of slandering on net when they are sure of their anonymity . This is almost true of any medium youtube, rediff (not very bright pics) any thing people view the most absurd ideas which really makes you wonder if they really believe in them. yep! I agree!

      glad to see you here 🙂
      we have another cricket fan in our blogsamaj 😀 here is his link
      http://hitchwriter.wordpress.com/

  86. Aman permalink
    May 27, 2009 9:35 pm

    And please do read this, paying special attention to the last 4 paras:
    http://tehelka.com/story_main41.asp?filename=Ne3050mrs_gandhi.asp

    Me- umm I don’t know in which category to put this piece by Mr Tejpal.
    yep!have read it and cant say I am a big fan as you seem to be 😉

    All I can do is pray and say please god don’t let me ever EVER write the way Mr Tejpal does here

    Another point Aman 🙂
    I really don’t have the time and inclination to continue this discussion further.
    I have been busy and am likely to be(As I am sure you are too) Europe surely has some work to offer?
    The other thing is that this blog is to express my personal views, since you seem to be so enthusiastic about your views do feel free to start a blog or something along those lines 🙂
    For now this will be the last comment I will publish
    So do excuse me for, ample warning has been given 🙂
    Cheers!and god bless 🙂

    • May 29, 2009 11:46 am

      @Indyeah
      “on a diff note it amazes me that a post on NEPOTISM(not the Congess but then the two are synonymous are they not? 😆 ) is getting the goat of all the Congresswallahs 😉
      that amuses me and is good for laughs :D”

      😀 😀 😀

      That kicked ass ! That amuses me a lot too .

      @ Aman

      Howdy Icon ! Glad to see you are here . 🙂

      me- Thanks Kislay 😀

  87. May 30, 2009 12:45 am

    Isn’t it ironical that such an important profession where a person runs a nation does not need a qualification? You just have to be someone’s son to get the seat?

    me- exactly
    that is the irony.. 😦

  88. June 6, 2009 11:38 pm

    Hey Indyeah,

    This is so well written. I know many people have told u that already but I had to say it. U read the minds of so many of us. Why the hell does even a chaprasi need to have atleast some basic edu but not the politicians. Another thing I wonder is when we all retire at some age for whatever reasons, why doesn’t it apply to them? Have they taken some Sanjeevini ?

    me- thanks a lot Swaram 🙂
    Why the hell does even a chaprasi need to have atleast some basic edu but not the politicians.
    ABSOLUTELY!!
    thats the grouse I have..
    Another thing I wonder is when we all retire at some age for whatever reasons, why doesn’t it apply to them? Have they taken some Sanjeevini ?
    sure looks like t doesnt it?
    Like Solilo said at a blog..we have a youth and sports minister who is 70 something..
    irony eh?

    • Swaram permalink
      June 8, 2009 12:13 pm

      LOL :)) Redefinition of youth !

  89. withinaninchoflife permalink
    July 3, 2009 1:20 pm

    Hi!… is it ridiculous on my part to be reading something so late and commenting after so long?… Well, whateva that is… I love what you have here…
    me- nah! not ridiculous at all 🙂
    welcome here 🙂 and thank you so much too

    My dear friend, Shines, always told me to read your blog… I’m glad that I did… and sad that it took me so long to do so… I have to say… this is a beautiful post and you’re doing a great job!…
    me- yeah she is one amazingly sweet and cute girl isnt she?a complete kid at heart! 🙂
    *thank you Crafty! 😀 *
    thank you so,so much for the words Suchitra 🙂

    And I agree with one of the last quotes on this post, coz that’s exactly what I do…
    “Hell, I never vote for anybody, I always vote against.” ~W.C. Fields

    me- yeah thats what I do too 😉

    PS:- do you have a blog? Is so do give a link please 🙂 would love to visit 🙂

  90. withinaninchoflife permalink
    July 6, 2009 6:34 pm

    Oh… im surprised how come my URL din feature n how u got my name… must’ve been silly me only, still new to the blogging world… neways here it is:
    http://withinaninchoflife.wordpress.com/
    🙂

    me- one can get to see email id on WP 🙂

    but there was no url link

    thanks for giving it 🙂 🙂 will hop over to yours now 🙂

  91. July 10, 2009 5:22 pm

    I so agree with every word here!
    🙂
    Stole my thoughts !
    me- 🙂 thanks!:) glad to see you agree:)

  92. September 17, 2009 2:33 pm

    On the other side of thought, why not root for someone you think most eligible for PM?

  93. Ratanlal Simal Brahma permalink
    December 13, 2011 9:15 pm

    Nice Article and lots of information. Thank you so much, Dear.

  94. Nalliah Thayabharan permalink
    April 12, 2012 8:11 am

    Edvige Antonia Albina Maino was born December 09, 1946 to Stefano and Paola Maino in Lusiana, a little village 30 km from Vicenza in the region of Veneto, Italy. Edvige Antonia Albina Maino spent her adolescence in Orbassano, a town near Turin, attending a Catholic school. In 1964, Edvige Antonia Albina Maino went to study English at the Bell Educational Trust’s language school in the city of Cambridge. She met Rajiv Gandhi, who was enrolled in Trinity College at the University of Cambridge in 1965 at a Greek restaurant while working there, as a waitress to make ends meet. In all three years of Rajiv Gandhi’s tenure at Trinity College had not passed a single examination. Edvige Antonia Albina Maino and Rajiv Gandhi married in 1968.Rajiv Gandhi changed his so called Parsi religion to become a Catholic to marry Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. Rajiv became Roberto. His daughter’s name is Bianca and son’s name is Raul. Quite cleverly the same names are presented to the people of India as Priyanka and Rahul. What is amazing is the extent of Indians’ ignorance in such matters. The press conference that Rajiv Gandhi gave in London after taking over as prime minister of India was very informative. In this press conference, Rajiv Gandhi boasted that he was NOT a Hindu but a Parsi.

    Edvige Antonia Albina Maino was given the name ‘Sonia’ by her late mother-in-law, Indira Gandhi. But there is no notification in the gazette regarding this change in name. This change of name runs in Nehru family is to fool the Indian public for their votes. Indira Gandhi’s real name was Indira Priyadarshini. In 1935, Indira joined Shantiniketan,a school set up by Rabindranath Tagore. When Indira was found in the bed with her German teacher at Shantiniketan she was chased out of the Shantiniketan by Rabindranath Tagore. Subsequently, she went to England and sat for the University of Oxford entrance examination, but she failed, and spent a few months at Badminton School in Bristol, before passing the exam in 1937 and enrolling at Somerville College, Oxford where she never finished her degree. Khushwant Singh, who has personally known Indira Gandhi, has said that she felt uncomfortable around educated people because she had no real education. During her stay in the UK, she frequently met Feroze Khan, whom she knew from Allahabad, and who was studying at the London School of Economics. Before Indira’s marriage, the then Governor of Maharashtra Dr Shriprakash had warned Nehru in a meeting and through a letter, that Indira was having an illicit relationship with Feroze Khan. Feroze Khan was quite sympathetic to Indira and Indira married Feroze Khan in a London mosque as per Islamic rites Feroz Khan after converting herself to Islam. Indira’s muslim name was Maimuna Begum and later both had changed their name to fool the public of India by an affidavit in a court to Indira Gandhi and Feroz Gandhi.

    After Rajiv’s birth Indira and Feroze lived separately, but they were not divorced. Feroze used to interfere in Nehru’s political activities. Nehru got fed up and left instructions not to allow him into the Prime Minister’s residence Trimurthi Bhavan. The death of Feroze in 1960 before he could consolidate his own political forces came as a relief to Nehru and Indira. Feroze had even planned to remarry. The second son of Indira known as Sanjay Gandhi was not the son of Feroze Khan. Sanjay’s real father was Mohammad Yunus who served as India’s ambassador to Turkey, Indonesia, Iraq and Spain. Mohammad Yunus represented India at the Non-Aligned Summits at Lusaka, Algiers, Colombo, New Delhi, and Harare. Baby Sanjay had been circumcised following Islamic custom, although the reason stated was phimosis. Incidentally, Sanjay’s marriage with the Sikh girl Menaka took place quite surprisingly through a civil ceremony(on 23 September 1974)in Mohammad Yunus’ house in New Delhi. And the marriage with Menaka who was a model (she had modelled for Bombay Dyeing wearing just a towel) was not so ordinary either. Sanjay never attended college, but took up an apprenticeship with Rolls-Royce in Crewe, England. Sanjay Gandhi’s name was actually Sanjeev Gandhi. He was arrested for a car theft in England. Since his passport had been seized, the then Indian Ambassador to England Krishna Menon changed his name to ‘Sanjay’and procured a new passport for him. On February 3,1956 Krishna Menon was inducted into the Nehru cabinet as minister without portfolio. Mohammad Yunus who cried the most when Sanjay died in the plane accident.

    At the end of Rajiv Gandhi’s five years in office, the Bofors Scandal broke out. Rajiv Gandhi was paid by Bofors through Ottavio Quattrocchi. Ottavio Quattrocchi was merely a conduit for siphoning money. He was not a regular arms dealer. His company Snamprogetti dealt in fertiliser and petrochemicals. He was nobody in India without the backing of Rajiv Gandhi.
    Interpol revealed two bank accounts, 5A5151516M and 5A5151516L, held by Ottavio Quattrocchi and his wife Maria with the BSI AG bank, London, containing Euros 3 million and $1 million, a “curiously large savings for a salaried executive”. Ottavio’s financier son, Massimo Quattrocchi, grew up with Sonia’s children Raul(Rahul) and Bianca(Priyanka).

    Around 1974, Quattrocchi was introduced to Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi by an Italian named Mr. Molinari. Then Mrs. and Mr. Quattrocchi started visiting Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi. Children of both sides were frequent visitors to each other. At that time Rajiv Gandhi was a pilot in Indian Airlines. Quattrocchi became very close to Rajiv Gandhi and his wife. Their children grew up together, and based on this friendship, Quattrocchi had become so influential at the office of the Prime Minister that bureaucrats used to stand up when Quattrocchi visited them. The award of Jagdishpur Fertilizer Plant to Quattrocchi, changing earlier decision for SPIC, is a clear case. He won about 60 major projects projects including:
    In 1981 – the five Alibag (Thal Vaishet) plants from RCF, four Kribhco plants in Hazira, as well as the ONGC gas pipeline in Hazira.
    In 1983 – National Fertilisers Limited’s (NFL’s) plant in Una[disambiguation needed ] and two plants in Guna.
    In 1984- IFFCO’s three plants in Aonla.
    In 1987- Nagarjuna Fertilizers and Chemicals Limited’s two plants in Kakinada.

    In 1980 Sonia’s name appeared in the voter’s list for New Delhi prior to her becoming an Indian Citizen. At the time she was still holding Italian Citizenship. A violation of Form 4 of the Registration of Electors Rules, 1960, which states that “Only the names of those who are citizens of India should be entered on the electoral rolls.” When she did acquire Indian Citizenship, in April 1983, the same issue cropped up again, as her name appeared on the 1983 voter’s list when the deadline for registering had been in January 1983.

    Swiss magazine Schweitzer Illustrierte in 1991 claimed that Sonia was controlling accounts worth $2 billion US dollars in her son Raul’s name.

    Harvard scholar Yevgenia Albats cited KGB correspondence about payments to Rajiv Gandhi and his family, which had been arranged by Viktor Chebrikov, which shows that KGB chief Viktor Chebrikov sought in writing an “authorization to make payments in U.S. dollars to the family members of Rajiv Gandhi, namely Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Paola Maino, mother of Sonia Gandhi” from the CPSU in December 1985.

    Payments were authorized by a resolution, CPSU/CC/No 11228/3 dated 20 December 1985; and endorsed by the USSR Council of Ministers in Directive No 2633/Rs dated 20 December 1985. These payments had been coming since 1971, as payments received by Sonia Gandhi’s family and “have been audited in CPSU/CC resolution No 11187/22 OP dated 10/12/1984.

    In 1992 the media confronted the Russian government with the Albats disclosure. The Russian government confirmed the veracity of the disclosure and defended it as necessary for “Soviet ideological interest.”

    Rahul Gandhi & his Columbian girlfriend Veronique Cartelli, daughter of a Columbian drug mafia were arrested on Sep 21, 2001 at Boston Airport by FBI for carrying $200,000 in cash with them. Rahul Gandhi was then freed later on at the intervention of the then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.Rahul Gandhi was dropped out in 3 Months from Harvard. But Rahul Gandhi lied to Indians that he has Masters in Economics from Harvard. Veronique Cartelli is already living in Thuglaq road in Delhi. If ever, because of India’s misfortune, Rahul Gandhi comes to power, India will have another “Sonia”.

    In 2008 Sonia’s party appointed Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Manmohan Singh was the only international leader to initially refuse data provided by the German authorities during 2008 Liechtenstein tax affair.Sonia shares a common Educational Background with her 2G Partner in Crime, Dakshinamurthy Muthuvel who lated changed his name as Karunanidhi.

    Indira didn’t have any knowledge about constitution and constitutional procedures.Indira furthered creation of democratic dictatorship, first kicked off by her father Nehru. Indira never trusted anyone but her family only and so made Sanjay Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi heroes without any deed during her lifetime. Her leadership plunged India into depths of darkness. India needs enlightened leaders. But it has been getting stupid leaders because the population at large is not “enlightened.”

    For India to get decent leadership, Indians have to change. Indians have to demonstrate that they can take the long view, that they are not willing to vote criminals into office.

    Indians have granted “their obedience by their own consent” to dictators for a long while. The most recent in living memory is Indira Gandhi. Before that it was to their British overlords. Before that to the Islamic invaders.

    Failure of integrity is not uncommon among ministers and that some ministers, who have held office during the last seventy years have enriched themselves illegitimately, obtained good jobs for their sons and relations through nepotism and have reaped other advantages inconsistent with any notion of purity in public life

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